WW XXIV: Treasure Hunt (GAME OVER!)

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Yeah, I have been sitting here the last 5 minutes trying to think of a reason -not- to vote Raiders. It could be an honest mistake on his part, but with it being day1, and no better choices jumping out at me, I'm going to lean his way first.

At least for now, I say lets let the local cops deal with this guy. If he just made a simple mistake, then things might check out later for him at the jail just fine. Not my problem to worry about, lets let the cops deal with Raiders.

VOTE Raiders Army

I agree. Either he's just REALLY confused, or something very fishy is going on. With it being day one, I'd at least like to cast a vote in the latter direction rather than a random vote on someone else, so with that said:

Vote Raiders Army

[hoopsguy]

It's getting late enough in the day that people should have had a chance to come forward with information. So for now ...

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

A runaway vote isn't helping us out with voting patterns, but I'm not sure they are as important in this game when we are jailing (not lynching) people and not getting role reveals after the vote.

I have about the same level of unease around Raiders here that I did with Desnudo last game - not sure if the information is grounds for lynching, but without something else compelling I'll go with it. Of course, in that game Desnudo did end up being an other ...

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Barkeep PMed me to tell me that he changed my direction so I moved diagonally.

i dont buy this....barkeep posted more than once exactly how we are supposed to send in our morning AP's, no raiders is saying he screwed his up and Barkeep fixed it for him! i dont see a DM automatically adjusting for a screwup...that would be like me reassinging the spy scan for Pass the night he picked a dead guy to view....you screw up, you deal with the screw up....

vote raiders army (i owe you from last game anyway)

[Qwikshot]

unvote Blade
vote Raiders

This doesn't change me view of Sporkman, I think he's dirtier than a sewer rat smeared in moldy cheese hanging at the pornopit...not that I know anything bout that...but Greenhornarmy has been flubbing, flamming, and flumoxed the wrinkles from mah forehead...Of to me rum, and ma' plan'z of gold...

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by saldana

i dont buy this....barkeep posted more than once exactly how we are supposed to send in our morning AP's, no raiders is saying he screwed his up and Barkeep fixed it for him! i dont see a DM automatically adjusting for a screwup...that would be like me reassinging the spy scan for Pass the night he picked a dead guy to view....you screw up, you deal with the screw up....

vote raiders army (i owe you from last game anyway)

I agree with saladshooter on this principle...some greenhorns are sharper than others...

[KWhit]

Just getting into the thread today (it has been a nasty day at work so far, ughhh!)

I saw Hoops, Path, Qwik, and King as we travelled to the SE, so I can vouch for their initial moves at least.

[KWhit]

RA could have just made a mistake, but without anything else to go on, I gotta vote for somebody, so:

Vote Raiders Army

[Schmidty]

Just woke up, and I have a few pages to read before voting.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

ooc: This is all I want to know...did you just say A7 or did you give actual direction to A7...this alone will alter my perception...you went smack dab where Sndvls was...and for now, not a soul otherwise had stated to be in your vicinity...it's just all very suspicious...I agree that the rules are somewhat daunting...BUT even if you did just move to A7, you would have had to have used 4 AP total of your 5 which makes far better sense. Mistake or not. I'm assuming that you just gave the quadrant you wanted to go to, therefore you didn't see anyone because it was too difficult to keep track of who was going where unlike some of the others that stated each quadrant they went to.

I'm getting tired of repeating myself...especially to you. I told you what directions I went. Whatever.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

It would be a mistake to vote for me today. I realize that my actions appeared to be sneaky, but it was an honest mistake.

Obviously I have to spell it out for you:

I AM THE INVESTIGATOR.

I did not receive a role when the game started. I PMed Barkeep and asked him if I was supposed to receive one or should I just assume that if I didn't get one I was a normal treasure hunter.

Someone should be able to corroborate this, since Barkeep told me that he accidentally sent two roles to one person (that person's and my role).

As far as what I did last night, I didn't really understand what was going on with the watch thing (still don't know what it is either), and I told Barkeep I wanted to watch TazFTW and follow him. Since I PMed this to Barkeep well before the deadline, I also gave him conplan A, which was moving to A7, which obviously happened. Bad luck, me not paying attention, and then more bad luck led to this role reveal...

[Raiders Army]

Double dola, and the reason why I checked in so late was because I didn't receive a role.

[Raiders Army]

And didn't anyone get the sneaky part???

[Schmidty]

Wow, I'm not even to page 8 yet, and Raiders has already made me beyond suspicious with his multiple "honest mistakes". I don't understand how he could have all of those extra points without being a pirate.

I'm going to go back and do the math and see if the "athlete" trait would allow him to do it, otherwise this is my vote:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[saldana]

why would you make a role reveal like that on day one....you are only going to jail, and could get bailed out later...now you are dead meat (if telling the truth) or lying (which we wont know because no roles are revealed upon jailing)

i am pretty convinced we are right....later pirate. *tosses gorgeous mane of hair aside and leave room*

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Wow, I'm not even to page 8 yet, and Raiders has already made me beyond suspicious with his multiple "honest mistakes". I don't understand how he could have all of those extra points without being a pirate.

I'm going to go back and do the math and see if the "athlete" trait would allow him to do it, otherwise this is my vote:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I looked at that, and what I understand from the rules about the athlete trait, even then that wouldn't let him do the move that he initially said. He has changed his story a few times though since then, which either shows me A) Desperation B) Being caught in a lie C) trying to hide a role reveal and not doing a good job of escaping without it.

If its A or B, well he should be jailed. If its C, then obviously we wouldn't want to jail him, but at this point its a 67% chance of jailing being a good move. Since if it is C, his role has been revealed and I'm sure he will be a pirate target and be useless to us anyways, and since jail is not a final death per say we can always bail him out later if he is good.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Wow, I'm not even to page 8 yet, and Raiders has already made me beyond suspicious with his multiple "honest mistakes". I don't understand how he could have all of those extra points without being a pirate.

I'm going to go back and do the math and see if the "athlete" trait would allow him to do it, otherwise this is my vote:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

if that were the case, why didnt he claim Athlete, instead of investigator? someone else even asked him if he was the athlete...not buying what he is selling.

[KWhit]

Unvote Raiders Army

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Obviously I have to spell it out for you:

I AM THE INVESTIGATOR.

I did not receive a role when the game started. I PMed Barkeep and asked him if I was supposed to receive one or should I just assume that if I didn't get one I was a normal treasure hunter.

Someone should be able to corroborate this, since Barkeep told me that he accidentally sent two roles to one person (that person's and my role).

As far as what I did last night, I didn't really understand what was going on with the watch thing (still don't know what it is either), and I told Barkeep I wanted to watch TazFTW and follow him. Since I PMed this to Barkeep well before the deadline, I also gave him conplan A, which was moving to A7, which obviously happened. Bad luck, me not paying attention, and then more bad luck led to this role reveal...

Unless Barkeep can confirm that what you say about him messing up with your role, even if it's a vague confirmation, I'll unvote you. Otherwise, I'm sticking with my vote.

If you really are the investigator, you just put a giant bullseye on your head, and that could really hurt us. If you aren't a pirate, then you're an obvious target for the pirates, and that would really suck.

[KWhit]

I'm not sure what to think at this point. I need to re-read RA's posts.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Unless Barkeep can confirm that what you say about him messing up with your role, even if it's a vague confirmation, I'll unvote you. Otherwise, I'm sticking with my vote.

If you really are the investigator, you just put a giant bullseye on your head, and that could really hurt us. If you aren't a pirate, then you're an obvious target for the pirates, and that would really suck.

That is what my point was also. Either way if that is a true reveal, it doesn't really effect my vote at this point.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I looked at that, and what I understand from the rules about the athlete trait, even then that wouldn't let him do the move that he initially said. He has changed his story a few times though since then, which either shows me A) Desperation B) Being caught in a lie C) trying to hide a role reveal and not doing a good job of escaping without it.

If its A or B, well he should be jailed. If its C, then obviously we wouldn't want to jail him, but at this point its a 67% chance of jailing being a good move. Since if it is C, his role has been revealed and I'm sure he will be a pirate target and be useless to us anyways, and since jail is not a final death per say we can always bail him out later if he is good.

Yeah, this could really suck if he's the investigator. Either way, he's toast. but like you said, I like the jail option since it's not final in case he really is good.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Obviously I have to spell it out for you:

I AM THE INVESTIGATOR.

I did not receive a role when the game started. I PMed Barkeep and asked him if I was supposed to receive one or should I just assume that if I didn't get one I was a normal treasure hunter.

Someone should be able to corroborate this, since Barkeep told me that he accidentally sent two roles to one person (that person's and my role).

As far as what I did last night, I didn't really understand what was going on with the watch thing (still don't know what it is either), and I told Barkeep I wanted to watch TazFTW and follow him. Since I PMed this to Barkeep well before the deadline, I also gave him conplan A, which was moving to A7, which obviously happened. Bad luck, me not paying attention, and then more bad luck led to this role reveal...

But then you should've got some dirt on Taz...something, anything...from my map Taz hadn't really said his location...puts some sus'psion on him, but not as much as you...as for the sneaky text, while it looked a little outta place, it wasn't enough to wow me...don't place blame on the ole man on the glowering glances of mistrust...

[Desnudo]

Are we supposed to specify the exact path we take to our destination? I PM'd Barkeep my final destination only.

I dont see a need to reveal to avoid going to jail this early.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Someone should be able to corroborate this, since Barkeep told me that he accidentally sent two roles to one person (that person's and my role).

Unvote Raiders Army

This is true, I was the one who got sent multiple PMs about roles, I obviously didn't know who got what role, but this is too much of a coincidence. I PMed barkeep asking what role was for me, and he told me the investigator was for someone else (obviously not naming names).

I don't want to contribute to losing the investigator on day 1.....

[pennywisesb]

RA just entered my circle of trust.

[saldana]

i sent my final destination only and the number of points it was going to take to get there, with my last ap order being to dig. i counted out the points myself and just said where i wanted to go.

ok, i am out until around 6 when the office empties.

[Desnudo]

Did you watch anyone RA?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Unvote Raiders Army

This is true, I was the one who got sent multiple PMs about roles, I obviously didn't know who got what role, but this is too much of a coincidence. I PMed barkeep asking what role was for me, and he told me the investigator was for someone else (obviously not naming names).

I don't want to contribute to losing the investigator on day 1.....

well now two possibilities to being true here:

A) Both penny and Raiders are pirates and have some elaborate ploy of trying to get Raiders off the hook from a day 1 jailing due to a slip up.

B) Raiders and penny are both telling the truth, and Raiders just hasn't had a very good day 1 and is privately cursing at Barkeep's ruleset about right now.


I wonder what all we can find out about people once they are jailed by paying the extra gold. This could be a chance to clear 1 miner (Raiders) + make another miner look very trustworthy (Penny) through one jailing, especially if it is reversable.

The downside is if they are telling the truth, Raiders likely will be a pirate target very soon (and might even be safer in jail for now.. under the assumption that pirates can not kill him while in jail.)

I guess the main questions I have before changing my vote would be: 1) Can pirates attack people in jail .. and 2) What kind of information will we be able to buy from the police about jailed individuals.

I am guessing the answer to one or both of those might have to be found out as we go.. I do think that if B, this is true, then Raiders will be dead soon enough anyways, so might be best to go through with the jailing in an attempt to clear or condemn Penny.

[pennywisesb]

I was worried that coming out with the PM information might place some suspicion on me, but I felt it was necessary to try to save the investigator. If it weren't such a crucial role, I probably would have just stayed quiet. AlanTs plan sounds fine with me, as I'm always open to being cleared

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

I was worried that coming out with the PM information might place some suspicion on me, but I felt it was necessary to try to save the investigator. If it weren't such a crucial role, I probably would have just stayed quiet. AlanTs plan sounds fine with me, as I'm always open to being cleared

Yeah, at this point though I'm not sure if its possible to save the investigator once that role has been revealed. Thats probably one of the high targets for the pirates to knock off.

And I don't think if RA's story checks out, it would totally clear you, since you could have gotten a pirate role + his role attached to it.. but it definitly makes you a bit more trustworthy in my book for now.

[Alan T]

Another question for Barkeep, If I wanted to put my underwhelming amount of gold in the bank at some point when it could buy me more than a can of chewin tobacco, when would I do that? During the evening phase? Or is it part of the morning phase and involves AP being used to travel to the bank and deposit it as part of your turn?

If this was asked before, I apologize, all the gold dust getting to me.

[KWhit]

Okay. I trust penny and RA at this point. It doesn't make sense for a pirate to put his own butt on the line to save another pirate this early in the game. I might revisit this line of thought at a later time, but for today's vote, I think I can list these guys on my DO NOT VOTE FOR LIST:

KWhit
Hoops
Path
Qwik
King
Pennywise
Raiders Army

So anybody else is fair game. Anybody have thoughts on somebody not on this list?

[Desnudo]

I would contribute 1 GP to find out the role of whoever is in jail. I think it makes sense to do this every night someone is in there.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by Alan T

A) Both penny and Raiders are pirates and have some elaborate ploy of trying to get Raiders off the hook from a day 1 jailing due to a slip up.

I agree that RA's play has been kinda strange, but it would be pretty ridiculous for me to come out (when I wasn't on anyone's radar) and give my inside information if we were both pirates. That would be pretty stupid. Just wanted to point that out.

RA, I agree with AlanT at this point, even if you aren't jailed by some miracle, I have a feeling you won't make it through the night.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I would contribute 1 GP to find out the role of whoever is in jail. I think it makes sense to do this every night someone is in there.

I agree too. I was going to hope to have enough money to get the role of Raiders once he went to jail by myself even if no one else wanted to contribute. But I'll need a bit better morning tommorrow than I had this morning to do that.

[path12]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Okay. I trust penny and RA at this point. It doesn't make sense for a pirate to put his own butt on the line to save another pirate this early in the game. I might revisit this line of thought at a later time, but for today's vote, I think I can list these guys on my DO NOT VOTE FOR LIST:

KWhit
Hoops
Path
Qwik
King
Pennywise
Raiders Army

So anybody else is fair game. Anybody have thoughts on somebody not on this list?

I continue to be amazed by how quiet Blade is being, and that automatically makes me somewhat suspicious.....

Respect path would like from Hoopblas:
Bid 3 gold

[path12]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I would contribute 1 GP to find out the role of whoever is in jail. I think it makes sense to do this every night someone is in there.

Me too.

[kingfc22]

The one thing that I'm having a problem with today is why we have such heavy trust in the "5".

Wouldn't it be smart for the Pirates to send their killer in one direction while the rest travel in another? Then hope the run into some treasure hunters who can vouch for their location. I know that is how I would play it if I was a pirate.

I just don't like saying hey these 5 guys are safe after one phase of the game.

[path12]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

The one thing that I'm having a problem with today is why we have such heavy trust in the "5".

Wouldn't it be smart for the Pirates to send their killer in one direction while the rest travel in another? Then hope the run into some treasure hunters who can vouch for their location. I know that is how I would play it if I was a pirate.

I just don't like saying hey these 5 guys are safe after one phase of the game.

I don't think we're saying they're safe for the game, just that it's not likely they killed Sun.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

The one thing that I'm having a problem with today is why we have such heavy trust in the "5".

Wouldn't it be smart for the Pirates to send their killer in one direction while the rest travel in another? Then hope the run into some treasure hunters who can vouch for their location. I know that is how I would play it if I was a pirate.

I just don't like saying hey these 5 guys are safe after one phase of the game.

I know I haven't said that. In fact I have said the opposite a few times. I am pretty sure a pirate is in the groups of people being vouched for, or even a voucher himself. I think the list of people who haven't been vouched for only gives us targets for who might have done the killing this morning. Not who is or is not a pirate.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

I just want to see if I have this right. During the morning phase do the pirates need to be on the same square to kill or can they just choose whomever?

Can anyone answer this question? I'm still confused on how the Pirates kill actually works.

[path12]

Dola, I also think that nobody really knew about having the chance to see others while you travelled, so I don't know if that strategy would have been in place yet. I assume it is now though.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by path12

I don't think we're saying they're safe for the game, just that it's not likely they killed Sun.

Yeah, I think its directed for people to decide who to vote for today or tomorrow, rather than clearing them for the duration.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

The one thing that I'm having a problem with today is why we have such heavy trust in the "5".

I just don't like saying hey these 5 guys are safe after one phase of the game.

Don't get me wrong. There is no reason in the world to believe that any of "the 5" are safe. But it is very likely that the pirate who killed sndvls last night was not part of "the 5". So the reasoning is that we are more likely to get a pirate by voting for someone outside of that group.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Can anyone answer this question? I'm still confused on how the Pirates kill actually works.

I wanted clarification on this before, and barkeep kind of gave an answer earlier in this thread. From what it sounds like unless you hide somehow or lose them (or they did not know where you started from for some reason), they just have to follow you and kill you as one of their APs.

What I don't know is if you keep moving as APs will they have to keep moving and only can do the kill once you stop to watch, dig, or something else or not.

[kingfc22]

[quote=Desnudo]Are we supposed to specify the exact path we take to our destination? I PM'd Barkeep my final destination only./QUOTE]

I sent my exact route.

[path12]

[quote=kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Are we supposed to specify the exact path we take to our destination? I PM'd Barkeep my final destination only./QUOTE]

I sent my exact route.

So did I.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by path12

Dola, I also think that nobody really knew about having the chance to see others while you travelled, so I don't know if that strategy would have been in place yet. I assume it is now though.

Exactly. Now the pirates will likely have wacky, non-obvious travel patterns before their kills, but it isn't likely they did this last night.

[hoopsguy]

I would be willing to contribute towards a jail 'reveal' fund but I'm not sure we are allowed to transfer gold to each other (and while at work I don't have as much time to reference the lengthy list of rules).

If there is not a mechanism that allows for the transfer then I would be willing to be part of a group of people who rotate days to verify roles. But I'm unlikely to be in a position to be able to afford this tonight.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Unless Barkeep can confirm that what you say about him messing up with your role, even if it's a vague confirmation, I'll unvote you. Otherwise, I'm sticking with my vote.

If you really are the investigator, you just put a giant bullseye on your head, and that could really hurt us. If you aren't a pirate, then you're an obvious target for the pirates, and that would really suck.

Quite frankly, I don't see how this is a huge role reveal. It's not like it's that good of a power and I don't have the seer ability.

Investigator (Treasure Hunter)
Sneaky Trait: This player may watch another player for additional turn without being noticed.