Werewolf XV: Round 'Em Up And Hang 'Em! - Page 9

SnDvls · 09-15-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Unvote dubb

Vote henry

I don't _at all_ like that he kind of "knew" there were 3 outlaws... think that might be a slip, and is good a reason as any for me to vote him.

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Vote dubb92

I'm just throwing this out there... he has been a little suspicious with his actions thus far.

BTW, here are the voting results from yesterday:

I'm guessing the (3?) Outlaws spread their votes among three different players.

Passacaglia is clear in my book... That leaves saldana & Schmidty in voting for Blade.

Among the voters for ardent, I think either Fouts or dubb92 could be Outlaws -- or both, even. I'm more inclined to think dubb -- for what reason, I'm not totally sure.

In the henry voters, there is Mr. W & jeff... not sure at all, here. I'd say jeff just because he's been so damn quiet, and got very defensive recently.

kingfc's vote for saldana is weird, but I don't know what to think of it -- same with SnDevils.

So here is my most likely guess: saldana/Schmidty, Fouts/dubb92, Mr. W/jeff -- my picks are Schmidty, dubb, and jeff right now.

I know I have been totally wrong so far, but I'm really trying to actually analyze the situation here instead of just expressing how helpless it might be.

Thoughts?

so where does this leave you in your analysis now?

RPI-Fan · 09-15-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

so where does this leave you in your analysis now?

Undirected, as I'm guessing most of your guys' are as well.

SnDvls · 09-15-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Undirected, as I'm guessing most of your guys' are as well.

LOL
that's not what I was hoping for, but I feel your confusion

anyhow I think you're clean. henry has jumped up on my radar, partly for accusing me. I'm going to have to think hard about this one.

jeff061 · 09-15-2005, 04:26 PM

Vote Henry

Voted for him yesterday. Don't see a reason not to today.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-15-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Fouts has voted for Bek and for AE - both who were good guys

When all we've ever gotten are good guys, how can you hold it against someone for voting against them? We don't know what the alternatives were. That's why it's imperative that we finally get an outlaw so that we stand a chance of figuring something useful out of the voting data.

saldana · 09-15-2005, 05:10 PM

been at work all day...can we have any worse luck?!

henry, how many times to i have to explain the bek thing on day one? it was a just a quick reaction in anger that i undid as soon as i stepped back. seeing as how that is all you seem to want to talk about, throwing suspicion on me

vote henry

saldana · 09-15-2005, 05:11 PM

dola, i will probably be out the rest of the night until after the vote, i have some real life child care issues going on right now and wont really be around until late tonight...just fyi'ing so my silence isnt misconstrued.

pennywisesb · 09-15-2005, 05:44 PM

To this point the villagers luck has been horrendous. Good luck to the villagers! That was my first time being killed in a WW game.

jeff061 · 09-15-2005, 05:48 PM

And what a lame way to go.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-15-2005, 05:51 PM

Wow, we're short of votes.

It doesn't look like the dubb vote is going anywhere, so I'm going to unvote dubb93.

I need a new target, and pretty soon as I'll be leaving school within the next half hour.

SnDvls · 09-15-2005, 05:59 PM

Okay time to leave work and head home so again I have nothing to go on, but gut.

Vote henry

I might be wrong, but at least I tried.

dubb93 · 09-15-2005, 06:04 PM

Yea, lets atleast take a shot @ Henry tonight. Don't have much on him other than a gut feeling tho.

Vote Henry

Mr. Wednesday · 09-15-2005, 06:05 PM

Yuk. I've got RPI's analysis (which actually implicates me in the bargain...), Henry's reason for voting saldana, or Henry himself who I voted for yesterday without any real conviction. After a mental roll of the dice, I'll change things up and vote saldana.

kingfc22 · 09-15-2005, 06:06 PM

Vote Dubb

I'm not voting for henry because I don't see us gaining any information if we concentrate all our votes on one target.

SnDvls · 09-15-2005, 06:53 PM

unvote Henry

too many people jumping on him. I guess I'll throw out my vote from yesterday then

vote Bug

Schmidty · 09-15-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Vote Dubb

I'm not voting for henry because I don't see us gaining any information if we concentrate all our votes on one target.

I think that's a good point.

Vote Kingfc22

RPI-Fan · 09-15-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Voting for Sept. 15th So Far

dubb92 - RPI, Mr. W, kingfc
saldana - henry
Fouts - Pass
Pass - Fouts
henry - RPI, jeff, saldana, SnDvls, dubb92
MrBug - SnDvls

As soon as I voted for henry, other people jumped on. I don't liek that at all...

Unvote henry

Vote dubb93

jeff061 · 09-15-2005, 07:05 PM

We don't want to much of a spread. 2-3 is much better than 5-6.

All these single votes are helpless, and a little suspicious.

RPI-Fan · 09-15-2005, 07:05 PM

Anyone know what the tiebreaking procedure is? Does Bek get to choose?

SnDvls · 09-15-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

We don't want to much of a spread. 2-3 is much better than 5-6.

All these single votes are helpless, and a little suspicious.

I just didn't want to be acused of bandwagoning after all the votes on henry. I'll move it to someone else if you feel that is warented

SnDvls · 09-15-2005, 07:09 PM

unvote Bug
Vote Fouts

not that I think he's bad, but Jeff says I need to be on someone else and not a single vote.

jeff061 · 09-15-2005, 07:22 PM

Vote who you want to vote on, but do the people saying they should spread the votes for analyzing think having 3-4 guys with 1 vote is helpful?

kingfc22 · 09-15-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Vote who you want to vote on, but do the people saying they should spread the votes for analyzing think having 3-4 guys with 1 vote is helpful?

Not at all. I would prefer a 2 person runoff.

Neon_Chaos · 09-15-2005, 08:31 PM

henry296 - jeff061, saldana, dubb93
dubb93 - kingfc22, RPI-Fan
saldana - henry296, Mr. Wednesday
Fouts - Passacaglia, SnDvls
Passacaglia - Fouts
Kingfc22 - Schmidty

You gather around henry296, calling him out. "You Outlaw! You're going to die NOW!" You tie his arms and legs, and then you start pushing him around, towards the gallows. You tie a noose tightly around his neck, and then let the rope do its work. He struggles for a while, until his entire body slumps dead.

You rummage through his items. Without a doubt, henry296 was a Villager!

It is now Night 4! Actions are due at 9AM EDT!

1. ardent enthusiast - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed by Outlaws Night 3
2. Passacaglia
3. MrBug708
4. saldana
5. dubb93
6. RPI-Fan
7. SackAttack - Private Investigator, killed by Wealthy Baron, Day 1
8. Bek - Wealthy Baron, role revealed Day 1
9. Mr. Wednesday
10. Lathum - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 2
11. Blade6119 - Man Of Loose Moral Fiber, lynched Day 3
12. pennywisesb - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed via psychic connection with ardent enthusiast, Night 3
13. jeff061
14. Fouts
15. kingfc22
16. SnDvls
17. Schmidty
18. henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 4
19. RealDeal - In Jail, imprisoned, Day 2

Neon_Chaos · 09-15-2005, 08:59 PM

jeff061 · 09-15-2005, 09:02 PM

Mercy?

Neon_Chaos · 09-15-2005, 09:07 PM

Oh, by the way, since he'll be out for the next couple of days...

MrBug708 will be replaced by hoopsfan.

SnDvls · 09-15-2005, 09:07 PM

kingfc22 · 09-15-2005, 09:08 PM

I'm going after dubb and saldana. Who wants to join me?

Poli · 09-15-2005, 09:08 PM

Pinch hitting

hoopsguy · 09-15-2005, 09:29 PM

Hoopsfan? Who is that?

Looks like the villagers have rocked in this game. I've been reading along, but need to do some catching up now that I'm in the game.

dubb93 · 09-15-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

I'm going after dubb and saldana. Who wants to join me?

Whatever

, I'll just go after you while I'm at it.

RPI-Fan · 09-15-2005, 10:00 PM

I'm much more confident now in dubb being mafia. If I don't make it through the night I wanted to say that I think he's the guy to go after.

dubb93 · 09-15-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

I'm much more confident now in dubb being mafia. If I don't make it through the night I wanted to say that I think he's the guy to go after.

Its always easy to say "if I don't make it through the night...blah blah blah" when you are the one making the decisions on who to kill. Keep frameing me here guys.

SackAttack · 09-15-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

I'm much more confident now in dubb being mafia. If I don't make it through the night I wanted to say that I think he's the guy to go after.

Shit, there's Outlaws AND Mafia in this game?

You guys are so fucked.

There's probably a werewolf, too...

kingfc22 · 09-15-2005, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Shit, there's Outlaws AND Mafia in this game?

You guys are so fucked.

There's probably a werewolf, too...

Hmmmmmm. Neon did have a game where it was supposed to be mafia vs. villagers and we found out during the game that their were wolves as well.

Did RPI just slip up?

SackAttack · 09-15-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Hmmmmmm. Neon did have a game where it was supposed to be mafia vs. villagers and we found out during the game that their were wolves as well.

Did RPI just slip up?

No. There are no hidden roles this time around. I just couldn't resist the chance to take a shot since I got friggin' duked on Night One.

dubb93 · 09-15-2005, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Hmmmmmm. Neon did have a game where it was supposed to be mafia vs. villagers and we found out during the game that their were wolves as well.

Did RPI just slip up?

Did your outlaw buddy just support you in the thread without PMing you for permission first? Did you both just slip up? So many questions, no answers right now.

RPI-Fan · 09-15-2005, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Hmmmmmm. Neon did have a game where it was supposed to be mafia vs. villagers and we found out during the game that their were wolves as well.

Did RPI just slip up?

Yes, I did slip in that I made a mistake. mafia = outlaw... either way, I think dubb is a bad guy.

Neon_Chaos · 09-15-2005, 11:47 PM

You all sleep through the night. But two gunshots pierce through the silence of the blanket of darkness. You shudder to think what could have happened.

You wake up. You look around. Noone is dead!

It is now Day 5! Votes are due at 9PM EDT!

1. ardent enthusiast - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed by Outlaws Night 3
2. Passacaglia
3. hoopsguy
4. saldana
5. dubb93
6. RPI-Fan
7. SackAttack - Private Investigator, killed by Wealthy Baron, Day 1
8. Bek - Wealthy Baron, role revealed Day 1
9. Mr. Wednesday
10. Lathum - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 2
11. Blade6119 - Man Of Loose Moral Fiber, lynched Day 3
12. pennywisesb - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed via psychic connection with ardent enthusiast, Night 3
13. jeff061
14. Fouts
15. kingfc22
16. SnDvls
17. Schmidty
18. henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 4
19. RealDeal - In Jail, imprisoned, Day 2

RPI-Fan · 09-15-2005, 11:49 PM

Woot, go Sheriff!

SnDvls · 09-15-2005, 11:51 PM

finally a break for the villagers

hoopsguy · 09-15-2005, 11:52 PM

Bek, have you voted the last two days? Since you are the only confirmed good at this point you have the opportunity to wield some influence here.

Very clutch performance by the sheriff.

Bek · 09-15-2005, 11:56 PM

I have not voted the last few days...sry about that...ive had to spend some time away and sort some things out in the real world...i finished up what i had to tonight and now am back on here...we were lucky to have the sheriff pick the right guy to protect...if we believe he saved someone night one as well then "way to go sheriff, keep doing what you are doing"...as for who to look at know im not sure...i'd have to go back through and re-read some posts

Bek · 09-15-2005, 11:57 PM

dola-

do we know it was the sheriff or can the outlaws fire random gunshots into the air to scare us?

Fouts · 09-15-2005, 11:58 PM

Interesting development. I think the biggest target right now is RPI. I can't see the sheriff getting that lucky on anyone else (what are the odds). So, I am throwing my support behind RPI.

Bek · 09-16-2005, 12:02 AM

sry this is kinda old but i was re-reading posts and this popped out

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Anyone know what the tiebreaking procedure is? Does Bek get to choose?

Do you really want me to choose if there is a tiebreak?...i think not after what happened on day one

RPI-Fan · 09-16-2005, 12:09 AM

Tomorrow is another one of those days for me... won't be back til 4ish (departing home @ 5am).

Vote dubb

I suspected him yesterday; I suspect him even more today.

RPI-Fan · 09-16-2005, 12:19 AM

Also, at this point in the game I think there's another move that might be worthwhile... Use the witness, protect him that same night and give him another chance to witness. Problem is, of course, how do we know who is and isn't the witness. But we're so late into the game, that if we get one Outlaw on our own, and the witness provides us another, it'd be hard for us to lose I think.

SackAttack · 09-16-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bek

sry this is kinda old but i was re-reading posts and this popped out

Do you really want me to choose if there is a tiebreak?...i think not after what happened on day one

09-15-2005, 04:26 PM	#404
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Vote Henry Voted for him yesterday. Don't see a reason not to today. __________________

09-15-2005, 05:44 PM	#408
pennywisesb College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California	To this point the villagers luck has been horrendous. Good luck to the villagers! That was my first time being killed in a WW game. __________________ Myspace Profile

09-15-2005, 05:48 PM	#409
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	And what a lame way to go. __________________

09-15-2005, 05:51 PM	#410
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Wow, we're short of votes. It doesn't look like the dubb vote is going anywhere, so I'm going to unvote dubb93. I need a new target, and pretty soon as I'll be leaving school within the next half hour. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-15-2005, 06:05 PM	#413
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Yuk. I've got RPI's analysis (which actually implicates me in the bargain...), Henry's reason for voting saldana, or Henry himself who I voted for yesterday without any real conviction. After a mental roll of the dice, I'll change things up and vote saldana. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-15-2005, 05:10 PM	#406
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	been at work all day...can we have any worse luck?! henry, how many times to i have to explain the bek thing on day one? it was a just a quick reaction in anger that i undid as soon as i stepped back. seeing as how that is all you seem to want to talk about, throwing suspicion on me vote henry

09-15-2005, 05:11 PM	#407
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	dola, i will probably be out the rest of the night until after the vote, i have some real life child care issues going on right now and wont really be around until late tonight...just fyi'ing so my silence isnt misconstrued.

09-15-2005, 05:59 PM	#411
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Okay time to leave work and head home so again I have nothing to go on, but gut. Vote henry I might be wrong, but at least I tried.

09-15-2005, 06:06 PM	#414
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Vote Dubb I'm not voting for henry because I don't see us gaining any information if we concentrate all our votes on one target. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-15-2005, 06:53 PM	#415
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	unvote Henry too many people jumping on him. I guess I'll throw out my vote from yesterday then vote Bug

09-15-2005, 07:05 PM	#418
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	We don't want to much of a spread. 2-3 is much better than 5-6. All these single votes are helpless, and a little suspicious. __________________

09-15-2005, 07:05 PM	#419
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Anyone know what the tiebreaking procedure is? Does Bek get to choose? __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

09-15-2005, 07:09 PM	#421
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	unvote Bug Vote Fouts not that I think he's bad, but Jeff says I need to be on someone else and not a single vote.

09-15-2005, 07:22 PM	#422
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Vote who you want to vote on, but do the people saying they should spread the votes for analyzing think having 3-4 guys with 1 vote is helpful? __________________

09-15-2005, 08:31 PM	#424
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	henry296 - jeff061, saldana, dubb93 dubb93 - kingfc22, RPI-Fan saldana - henry296, Mr. Wednesday Fouts - Passacaglia, SnDvls Passacaglia - Fouts Kingfc22 - Schmidty You gather around henry296, calling him out. "You Outlaw! You're going to die NOW!" You tie his arms and legs, and then you start pushing him around, towards the gallows. You tie a noose tightly around his neck, and then let the rope do its work. He struggles for a while, until his entire body slumps dead. You rummage through his items. Without a doubt, henry296 was a Villager! It is now Night 4! Actions are due at 9AM EDT! 1. ardent enthusiast - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed by Outlaws Night 3 2. Passacaglia 3. MrBug708 4. saldana 5. dubb93 6. RPI-Fan 7. SackAttack - Private Investigator, killed by Wealthy Baron, Day 1 8. Bek - Wealthy Baron, role revealed Day 1 9. Mr. Wednesday 10. Lathum - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 2 11. Blade6119 - Man Of Loose Moral Fiber, lynched Day 3 12. pennywisesb - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed via psychic connection with ardent enthusiast, Night 3 13. jeff061 14. Fouts 15. kingfc22 16. SnDvls 17. Schmidty 18. henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 4 19. RealDeal - In Jail, imprisoned, Day 2 __________________ Come and see. Last edited by Neon_Chaos : 09-15-2005 at 08:47 PM.

09-15-2005, 08:59 PM	#425
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	__________________ Come and see.

09-15-2005, 09:02 PM	#426
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Mercy? __________________

09-15-2005, 09:07 PM	#427
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Oh, by the way, since he'll be out for the next couple of days... MrBug708 will be replaced by hoopsfan. __________________ Come and see.

09-15-2005, 09:07 PM	#428
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	damn

09-15-2005, 09:08 PM	#429
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I'm going after dubb and saldana. Who wants to join me? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-15-2005, 09:08 PM	#430
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Pinch hitting __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

09-15-2005, 09:29 PM	#431
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Hoopsfan? Who is that? Looks like the villagers have rocked in this game. I've been reading along, but need to do some catching up now that I'm in the game.

09-15-2005, 10:00 PM	#433
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	I'm much more confident now in dubb being mafia. If I don't make it through the night I wanted to say that I think he's the guy to go after. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

09-15-2005, 11:47 PM	#440
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	You all sleep through the night. But two gunshots pierce through the silence of the blanket of darkness. You shudder to think what could have happened. You wake up. You look around. Noone is dead! It is now Day 5! Votes are due at 9PM EDT! 1. ardent enthusiast - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed by Outlaws Night 3 2. Passacaglia 3. hoopsguy 4. saldana 5. dubb93 6. RPI-Fan 7. SackAttack - Private Investigator, killed by Wealthy Baron, Day 1 8. Bek - Wealthy Baron, role revealed Day 1 9. Mr. Wednesday 10. Lathum - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 2 11. Blade6119 - Man Of Loose Moral Fiber, lynched Day 3 12. pennywisesb - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed via psychic connection with ardent enthusiast, Night 3 13. jeff061 14. Fouts 15. kingfc22 16. SnDvls 17. Schmidty 18. henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 4 19. RealDeal - In Jail, imprisoned, Day 2 __________________ Come and see. Last edited by Neon_Chaos : 09-15-2005 at 11:53 PM.

09-15-2005, 11:49 PM	#441
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Woot, go Sheriff! __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

09-15-2005, 11:51 PM	#442
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	finally a break for the villagers

09-15-2005, 11:52 PM	#443
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Bek, have you voted the last two days? Since you are the only confirmed good at this point you have the opportunity to wield some influence here. Very clutch performance by the sheriff.

09-15-2005, 11:56 PM	#444
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	I have not voted the last few days...sry about that...ive had to spend some time away and sort some things out in the real world...i finished up what i had to tonight and now am back on here...we were lucky to have the sheriff pick the right guy to protect...if we believe he saved someone night one as well then "way to go sheriff, keep doing what you are doing"...as for who to look at know im not sure...i'd have to go back through and re-read some posts

09-15-2005, 11:57 PM	#445
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	dola- do we know it was the sheriff or can the outlaws fire random gunshots into the air to scare us?

09-15-2005, 11:58 PM	#446
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Interesting development. I think the biggest target right now is RPI. I can't see the sheriff getting that lucky on anyone else (what are the odds). So, I am throwing my support behind RPI.

09-16-2005, 12:09 AM	#448
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Tomorrow is another one of those days for me... won't be back til 4ish (departing home @ 5am). Vote dubb I suspected him yesterday; I suspect him even more today. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

09-16-2005, 12:19 AM	#449
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Also, at this point in the game I think there's another move that might be worthwhile... Use the witness, protect him that same night and give him another chance to witness. Problem is, of course, how do we know who is and isn't the witness. But we're so late into the game, that if we get one Outlaw on our own, and the witness provides us another, it'd be hard for us to lose I think. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

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