Werewolf IX: Village of the Damned - Page 12

Vince · 08-10-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

There is a chance that the mask went to the guy with that guise thing. However, I think the person with the Hammer would be talking about it if the mask had not arrived.

Good point -- it's not very likely though, and I've got a pretty good feeling that the guy with the guise didn't get the mask.

Raiders Army · 08-10-2005, 01:35 PM

I'm reserving judgement just yet. digamma's responses have been strange, considering he's the one who's been called out as a wolf. That being said, there's little else to go on.

digamma · 08-10-2005, 01:47 PM

I didn't claim that the item I had vindicates me. I said I can't falsely claim that I have/had a mask, because two people know what item I had.

Both have come forward.

I have the Cloak of whispers. I told henry that when we were able to PM on Day 1 with his Robe and I used the Cloak today to talk with hoopsguy.

Both have professed their "villagerness" to me. I trust them. Hopefully they trust me as well.

digamma · 08-10-2005, 01:49 PM

It's convenient that BrianD voted for me the first day.

Look, I'm consistent. I "viewed" the person I voted for. Trust me. I'm honest.

Would you like to buy this 87 Yugo? Runs perfectly. You won't have a single problem with it.

digamma · 08-10-2005, 01:53 PM

Oh, and if it isn't obvious:

Vote BrianD

Raiders Army · 08-10-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

Vote maximus

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Originally Posted by Cofee Warlord

Vote maximus

Joining the bandwagon:

Vote maximus

Vince · 08-10-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Joining the bandwagon:

Vote maximus

Did I miss something?

Raiders Army · 08-10-2005, 02:12 PM

See this thread:

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=41553

Clearly, there is more activity there than here.

Vince · 08-10-2005, 02:13 PM

Yeah, picked up on it right after I posted.

Lathum · 08-10-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

We got burned by the last 'seer' accusation, so I don't really wanna rush into anything just yet. Does anyone have ANY additional dirt on digamma?

What's this "we" shit. I was the one who got strung up!

Fouts · 08-10-2005, 02:43 PM

I want to appeal to whoever can heal me out there.

1) I posted that I viewed Lathum as a werewolf. Lathum posted that he had one of the two masks. Lathum turned out to be a villager, therefore, I must be a villager.

* - I'll admit that it is possible that a wolf could randomly pick a villager who turns out to have the mask. A great cover, but how lucky would that be.

2) I now have 3 silver pieces. I can purchase something that will put the hurt on the wolves.

3) Losing another villager does not help our cause. We need to keep our numbers up.

That is all.

BrianD · 08-10-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Brian did you have 2 items yesterday?

No I didn't. In fact, I didn't have any items yesterday since the single-use pendant was gone.

BrianD · 08-10-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

It's convenient that BrianD voted for me the first day.

Look, I'm consistent. I "viewed" the person I voted for. Trust me. I'm honest.

Would you like to buy this 87 Yugo? Runs perfectly. You won't have a single problem with it.

Your first two sentences are correct. I voted for you on the first day pretty randomly. I had no reason to pick anyone so I picked you and blamed it on your choice of Beyonce as a hot woman. With no bandwagon on anyone, I didn't feel so bad about a baseless accusation.

With the pendant, I figured I should probably use it right away in case I died. With still no real good target, I picked you again just to see if my initial guess was right. Turned out it was. I was hoping you would help me find other wolves, but you haven't so far. Rather than risking having that secret die with me if I ever get eaten, I put it out for all to see.

On a positive note, I no longer have any secrets which make me a good wolf target, so that is just an added benefit.

henry296 · 08-10-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

No I didn't. In fact, I didn't have any items yesterday since the single-use pendant was gone.

That means that somebody else had a hunch the digamma was a bad guy since they used the Ring of Wisdom to vote for him.

henry296 · 08-10-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

No I didn't. In fact, I didn't have any items yesterday since the single-use pendant was gone.

That means that somebody else had a hunch that digamma was a bad guy since they used the Ring of Wisdom to vote for him.

Raiders Army · 08-10-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

That means that somebody else had a hunch that digamma was a bad guy since they used the Ring of Wisdom to vote for him.

Deja Two

RealDeal · 08-10-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

That means that somebody else had a hunch that digamma was a bad guy since they used the Ring of Wisdom to vote for him.

what's strange is that whoever cast that vote already knew that Lathum was going to eat it: so why cast a meaningless vote for Digamma?

digamma · 08-10-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

That means that somebody else had a hunch that digamma was a bad guy since they used the Ring of Wisdom to vote for him.

Or that BrianD isn't telling the truth.

Coffee Warlord · 08-10-2005, 03:22 PM

Anyone know who has/had the ring? Or whoever used it in the first place want to come forward?

hoopsguy · 08-10-2005, 03:51 PM

I'm not sure why a vote for Digamma from the holder of the Ring of Wisdom should hold more weight than any other vote. The Ring only gives the extra vote, not any seeing power.

Was that the only vote that Digamma picked up yesterday? If so, then the holder of the Ring split his votes.

I'm not convinced that Digamma is innocent. But I'm not convinced he is guilty either and I'm inclined to point out arguments that don't necessarily hold up under my review.

We have quite a few people who have not participated to the discussion over the last couple of days ... would love to hear some additional voices taking a critical look at the limited information available to us.

Raiders Army · 08-10-2005, 03:57 PM

I'm always suspicious, so it seems as if digamma's a lock for tonight. I don't like to bandwagon unless it looks really certain, but BrianD seems as if he's the real deal (lol...RealDeal). Actually, I'm more interested with what happens with Fouts tonight since that appears to have fallen off the radar.

SnDvls · 08-10-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Was that the only vote that Digamma picked up yesterday? If so, then the holder of the Ring split his votes.

it could have been someone who didn't vote too, but didn't want a public vote out there.

SnDvls · 08-10-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm always suspicious, so it seems as if digamma's a lock for tonight. I don't like to bandwagon unless it looks really certain, but BrianD seems as if he's the real deal (lol...RealDeal). Actually, I'm more interested with what happens with Fouts tonight since that appears to have fallen off the radar.

my guess is the wolves hit him with the dart hoping we do

1) nothing and he dies, then they get to kill another villager at night
2) string him up and they still get a kill

either way leaving us down 2 villagers....that is if you think Fouts is a villager, which I still do.

edit to correct grammer

hoopsguy · 08-10-2005, 04:01 PM

Also, trying to think like a wolf for a minute here ...

How valuable is the Cloak of Whispers, relative to other items out there? If I were one of three wolves out there I think I would be trading this item in an attempt to pick up something that could hurt a wolf or villager (dart, holy water, dagger, lightning) or steal items or break items.

I'm validating that Digamma has the Cloak of Whispers today. Unless you do not trust both of us, plus the second-hand information from Henry, this is a fact. Digamma is stating he has had the Cloak of Whispers for the duration AND that he has never had a mask.

This doesn't sound like a wolf to me, which leads me to question BrianD.

BrianD did not know that Digamma had the Cloak before today. He says that he saw Digamma as a wolf. One of these two is lying.

I'm willing to be swayed on this, but as of right now

Vote BrianD

digamma · 08-10-2005, 04:10 PM

Here's one more thing that doesn't make sense to me.

Why would he wait to out me? He says he was waiting to see if he could catch me working with the other wolves, but I'm not sure how he was going to do that since his pendant was a one use item.

In the meantime, we've lynched Lathum, gotten dubb killed and gotten Fouts (though he's not cleared) hit by a dart. This coming from the same guy who yesterday was not so keen on sacraficing villagers.

Fouts · 08-10-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, trying to think like a wolf for a minute here ...

How valuable is the Cloak of Whispers, relative to other items out there? If I were one of three wolves out there I think I would be trading this item in an attempt to pick up something that could hurt a wolf or villager (dart, holy water, dagger, lightning) or steal items or break items.

I'm validating that Digamma has the Cloak of Whispers today. Unless you do not trust both of us, plus the second-hand information from Henry, this is a fact. Digamma is stating he has had the Cloak of Whispers for the duration AND that he has never had a mask.

This doesn't sound like a wolf to me, which leads me to question BrianD.

BrianD did not know that Digamma had the Cloak before today. He says that he saw Digamma as a wolf. One of these two is lying.

I'm willing to be swayed on this, but as of right now

Vote BrianD

This whole story is pretty flimsy. He doesn't sound like a wolf because you believe he has had the cloak the whole time and never a mask? How does that excuse him from being a wolf if brian saw him as one?

You're voting for brian because he didn't know that digamma had the cloak?

Please explain, because I don't get it.

henry296 · 08-10-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

This whole story is pretty flimsy. He doesn't sound like a wolf because you believe he has had the cloak the whole time and never a mask? How does that excuse him from being a wolf if brian saw him as one?

You're voting for brian because he didn't know that digamma had the cloak?

Please explain, because I don't get it.

I see the logic, but I am not so sure that I buy it. Here is my explanation of hoopsguy's logic.

On the first day digamma told me he had the Cloak of Whispers and still has it today. The ability to PM with someone is not a great power, especially for a wolf since he can PM with the other wolves. Since the cloak isn't a great item, then why not pass it to someone else and gain silver or another item.

BrianD · 08-10-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm validating that Digamma has the Cloak of Whispers today. Unless you do not trust both of us, plus the second-hand information from Henry, this is a fact. Digamma is stating he has had the Cloak of Whispers for the duration AND that he has never had a mask.

This doesn't sound like a wolf to me, which leads me to question BrianD.

How does this sound like he is or isn't a wolf? It is a pretty neutral statement that doesn't really indicate anything. Using this as a reason to say that he isn't a wolf and I need to be questioned puts you in a very bad light. If you manage to sway suspicion onto me, get me killed and find out I'm a villager, you go down as quickly as Digamma does. Are you sure you want to throw your lot in with him?

BrianD · 08-10-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

Here's one more thing that doesn't make sense to me.

Why would he wait to out me? He says he was waiting to see if he could catch me working with the other wolves, but I'm not sure how he was going to do that since his pendant was a one use item.

Voting patterns and similar arguments made by you and others. Just looking to see if you were obviously working with someone.

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In the meantime, we've lynched Lathum, gotten dubb killed and gotten Fouts (though he's not cleared) hit by a dart. This coming from the same guy who yesterday was not so keen on sacraficing villagers.

I'm still not keen on sacrificing villagers, but I do like lynching known wolves.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-10-2005, 04:17 PM

I don't get what BrianD gains by falsly outing you Digamma. If he lied to us, he WILL be a prime lynch target tomorrow. I also know that some of those posting supporting facts about BrianD are being truthful.

I vote Digamma.

digamma · 08-10-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I'm still not keen on sacrificing villagers, but I do like lynching known wolves.

Or letting more villagers die while you and the other wolves bide your time and decide when to make a move.

digamma · 08-10-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I also know that some of those posting supporting facts about BrianD are being truthful.

I must have missed these.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2005, 04:21 PM

Fouts, I know Digamma has the Cloak today. I don't know that he had it the whole time.

I don't know if Digamma had a mask - no one knows this other than Digamma. He maintains he did not, thus taking away the most basic villager defense against a villager accusation.

If you assume that Digamma did not have a mask, then one of two things is true:
1.) Digamma is a wolf
2.) BrianD is lying, which would very strongly suggest wolf

Working with these two ideas above, I tried to figure out why a wolf would keep the Cloak of Whispers instead of trading it for a more powerful item. I couldn't come up with a good reason. Thus my vote.

I'm suggesting that Brian, if he is a wolf, is picking someone more or less at random. And if he is a wolf, then I think he got a little bit unlucky picking Digamma, who just doesn't seem to fit the wolf profile based on my initial review.

There is a very good chance I'm wrong. And if I am then I'm going to generate suspicion. I accept that. But I'm not going to sit idly by while we are, I think, preparing to lynch the wrong guy.

BrianD · 08-10-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

I see the logic, but I am not so sure that I buy it. Here is my explanation of hoopsguy's logic.

On the first day digamma told me he had the Cloak of Whispers and still has it today. The ability to PM with someone is not a great power, especially for a wolf since he can PM with the other wolves. Since the cloak isn't a great item, then why not pass it to someone else and gain silver or another item.

If that is the logic, it is bad logic. If you are a wolf, having the ability to PM with a villager is a great power. The wolf knows he is PMing a villager so he can easily pass himself off as a villager. That is the perfect way to hide. It also keeps other villagers from talking to each other. That is a great power.

BrianD · 08-10-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I don't get what BrianD gains by falsly outing you Digamma. If he lied to us, he WILL be a prime lynch target tomorrow. I also know that some of those posting supporting facts about BrianD are being truthful.

I vote Digamma.

I accept that I will be a prime target if we lynch the wrong guy. I would be hesitant to accept that if there was still the fear of Digamma having the mask since I would think I was doing the right thing while still being wrong. Having Digamma admit that he didn't have a mask tells me that I can't be wrong.

Vince · 08-10-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

I see the logic, but I am not so sure that I buy it. Here is my explanation of hoopsguy's logic.

On the first day digamma told me he had the Cloak of Whispers and still has it today. The ability to PM with someone is not a great power, especially for a wolf since he can PM with the other wolves. Since the cloak isn't a great item, then why not pass it to someone else and gain silver or another item.

On the contrary, I think the ability to PM with someone is a pretty substantial power. I wouldn't pass an item like that unless I had already been passed a better item. Just because you don't have an item doesn't mean that you automatically get an item passed to you. Sure, silver is nice -- but then you have at least a few days of 'dead time' where you aren't getting anything done with no items.

I still don't understand the logic of a Wolf outing himself when the odds are so stacked against them still. We're at what -- 16-3? If Brian says something ridiculous like this, and is lying, he's dead the next day. That means we have the following interplay in a best case scenario for the wolves --

Digamma lynched, villager. 15-3.
Villager killed, Fouts dies from poison, villager. 13-3.
BrianD lynched, werewolf. 13-2.

Not much of a return for the wolves. What would they have to gain by this play? Pretty much...nothing. RA is right that we should be a little worried, but the Wolves have to be MUCH more worried -- if they lose someone soon, they're in deep crap. Making a play like this, which would completely expose someone, is rather poor strategy, I think.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2005, 04:28 PM

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Eaglesfan - Post #580
I also know that some of those posting supporting facts about BrianD are being truthful.

Can you help me out a little here? If Digamma is a wolf then I'm obvious not keen on supporting him at this point.

Yesterday we were at a point in the game where we said that either Fouts or Lathum was a wolf. Now people seem to believe that Fouts is a villager, in light of the mask/dart. The last thing I want to see happen tomorrow is that we don't have the stones to go after BrianD if Digamma is a villager.

We are making decisions with the idea that we have a big lead on the werewolves - well, if they use items to pick up additional kills that can shrink in a hurry. So I don't want to just buy into the idea that Digamma is the wolf because it is the easiest thing to do in order to stay away from a lynching on subsequent days. I want to do what I can to get the vote right each and every day. Yesterday I ended up being part of the problem with Lathum getting killed and I feel bad about it. I'm trying to avoid doing the same thing today.

Fouts · 08-10-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

Not much of a return for the wolves. What would they have to gain by this play? Pretty much...nothing. RA is right that we should be a little worried, but the Wolves have to be MUCH more worried -- if they lose someone soon, they're in deep crap. Making a play like this, which would completely expose someone, is rather poor strategy, I think.

I totally agree with you here. The villagers are the ones who need to be proactive. The wolves can "lie in wait". A smart wolf would not say anything, but just blend in, until targeted.

Therefore, I don't think brian is a wolf.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2005, 04:35 PM

Fouts, when you are alive tomorrow thanks to the Ointment and a confirmed villager I'll put a great deal more weight behind your posts.

Going to look up the items that I would think are better than the Cloak for a wolf ...

Eaglesfan27 · 08-10-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Can you help me out a little here? If Digamma is a wolf then I'm obvious not keen on supporting him at this point.

Yesterday we were at a point in the game where we said that either Fouts or Lathum was a wolf. Now people seem to believe that Fouts is a villager, in light of the mask/dart. The last thing I want to see happen tomorrow is that we don't have the stones to go after BrianD if Digamma is a villager.

We are making decisions with the idea that we have a big lead on the werewolves - well, if they use items to pick up additional kills that can shrink in a hurry. So I don't want to just buy into the idea that Digamma is the wolf because it is the easiest thing to do in order to stay away from a lynching on subsequent days. I want to do what I can to get the vote right each and every day. Yesterday I ended up being part of the problem with Lathum getting killed and I feel bad about it. I'm trying to avoid doing the same thing today.

Specifically, I have reason to believe Henry is telling the truth. I don't know Digamma is evil, but as I previously mentioned, BrianD has no reason to out him unless he knows that Digamma is a wolf. The mask excuse won't work again. Therefore, my index of suspicion is high that either Digamma or BrianD is a wolf.

Fouts · 08-10-2005, 04:36 PM

It looks like I haven't voted yet, so I will. Brian has no outs if Digamma isn't a wolf. Brian has played this game before and knows that he would die if he targeted a villager at this point. He was not a suspect before pointing the finger.

I vote Digamma

Vince · 08-10-2005, 04:47 PM

What do we do about this scenario?

--Lynch Digamma who turns out to be a villager.
--Someone uses the Potion of Healing on Fouts, curing him and NOT revealing his identity.

In this scenario, we have both BrianD AND Fouts looking quite like Werewolves...not to mention whoever used the Potion on Fouts (would they be identified? I don't think so). Which do we choose? One after the other?

Also, what happens if someone tries to use the Potion on Fouts, and someone ELSE tries to use the Ointment? Which is resolved first, or do they both get resolved, so we'd find out what his role is?

Peregrine · 08-10-2005, 04:47 PM

Vote tally so far:

Digamma - BrianD, ardent, MrBug708, eaglesfan27, fouts
BrianD - digamma, hoopsguy

hoopsguy · 08-10-2005, 04:48 PM

Here are the items I would prefer as a wolf to the Cloak of Whispers (one use item)
Gloves/Lockpick - steal from target
Guise - intercept pass from random
Hammer - destroy item
Ring - extra hidden vote
Coat - can't be lynched
Dagger - take away defense against wolves
Dart - wound villager
Holy Water - take away defense against wolves
Hood/Notebook - info on item. Target someone with good item unlikely to be passed or someone who appears vulnerable
Mask - wolf appears as villager
Ointment - heal self or another wolf, no role reveal if held
Potion - heal, no role reveal
Staff - hurt, plus no lynch that day

Eagles, if you believe Henry talked to Digamma on the first day, then you should believe his info where he said Digamma had the Cloak. And he held onto this one-use item for two days, instead of trading for one of the above items. It doesn't sound like a wolf to me.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, because it looks like Digamma is going to be lynched today. And I realize that if he is a wolf then I'm going to go through an awful lot of scrutiny. I'm willing to take that chance, I suppose, although going after me is not reducing wolf head count.

henry296 · 08-10-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

In this scenario, we have both BrianD AND Fouts looking quite like Werewolves...not to mention whoever used the Potion on Fouts (would they be identified? I don't think so).

If blade is a villager then he knows who has the potion today since he passed it to them last night.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-10-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

What do we do about this scenario?

--Lynch Digamma who turns out to be a villager.
--Someone uses the Potion of Healing on Fouts, curing him and NOT revealing his identity.

In this scenario, we have both BrianD AND Fouts looking quite like Werewolves...not to mention whoever used the Potion on Fouts (would they be identified? I don't think so). Which do we choose? One after the other?

Also, what happens if someone tries to use the Potion on Fouts, and someone ELSE tries to use the Ointment? Which is resolved first, or do they both get resolved, so we'd find out what his role is?

Those are some very interesting "what if's."

digamma · 08-10-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Specifically, I have reason to believe Henry is telling the truth. I don't know Digamma is evil, but as I previously mentioned, BrianD has no reason to out him unless he knows that Digamma is a wolf. The mask excuse won't work again. Therefore, my index of suspicion is high that either Digamma or BrianD is a wolf.

Yeah, I have reason to believe henry is telling the truth also, since I've already said I trust him. I don't think henry's made any factual statements about BrianD--only that as of now he believed him.

My point was that no one has any factual statements to back up BrianD.

I know it's not much, but I have two guys who know I was at least telling the truth about having the cloak.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-10-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here are the items I would prefer as a wolf to the Cloak of Whispers (one use item)
Gloves/Lockpick - steal from target
Guise - intercept pass from random
Hammer - destroy item
Ring - extra hidden vote
Coat - can't be lynched
Dagger - take away defense against wolves
Dart - wound villager
Holy Water - take away defense against wolves
Hood/Notebook - info on item. Target someone with good item unlikely to be passed or someone who appears vulnerable
Mask - wolf appears as villager
Ointment - heal self or another wolf, no role reveal if held
Potion - heal, no role reveal
Staff - hurt, plus no lynch that day

Eagles, if you believe Henry talked to Digamma on the first day, then you should believe his info where he said Digamma had the Cloak. And he held onto this one-use item for two days, instead of trading for one of the above items. It doesn't sound like a wolf to me.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, because it looks like Digamma is going to be lynched today. And I realize that if he is a wolf then I'm going to go through an awful lot of scrutiny. I'm willing to take that chance, I suppose, although going after me is not reducing wolf head count.

That's all well and good, but it makes no sense for a villager to call out Digamma unless he truly knows that Digamma is a wolf. If Digamma ends up being a villager, we have to lynch BrianD tomorrow. He said he knows Digamma is a wolf, and I think the masks are accounted for, so that will not be a valid excuse. Since BrianD spoke up first, I'm more apt to believe him.

henry296 · 08-10-2005, 04:52 PM

Just in case I don't get back on before the vote.

VOTE digamma

I have no reason not to trust BrianD... if he steers us wrong, I'll vote for him before the night action is resolved.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2005, 04:52 PM

If anyone uses the Potion on Fouts it is a wolf - there is zero upside for a villager to do this at this point in the game. If he is alive tomorrow without a villager vouching for him then I'm going to vote for him. No ifs, and, or buts.

I'm just worried about the scenario where Fouts is a wolf and is healed by wolf - in this case it won't matter if it is Potion or Ointment. But there are only three wolves, so hopefully this scenario would not come to pass. Best case is he is a villager healed by a villager using the Ointment to clear him.

08-10-2005, 02:13 PM	#559
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Yeah, picked up on it right after I posted. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

08-10-2005, 04:17 PM	#580
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I don't get what BrianD gains by falsly outing you Digamma. If he lied to us, he WILL be a prime lynch target tomorrow. I also know that some of those posting supporting facts about BrianD are being truthful. I vote Digamma. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

08-10-2005, 04:47 PM	#592
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	What do we do about this scenario? --Lynch Digamma who turns out to be a villager. --Someone uses the Potion of Healing on Fouts, curing him and NOT revealing his identity. In this scenario, we have both BrianD AND Fouts looking quite like Werewolves...not to mention whoever used the Potion on Fouts (would they be identified? I don't think so). Which do we choose? One after the other? Also, what happens if someone tries to use the Potion on Fouts, and someone ELSE tries to use the Ointment? Which is resolved first, or do they both get resolved, so we'd find out what his role is? __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

08-10-2005, 04:52 PM	#599
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Just in case I don't get back on before the vote. VOTE digamma I have no reason not to trust BrianD... if he steers us wrong, I'll vote for him before the night action is resolved. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

08-10-2005, 01:35 PM	#552
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm reserving judgement just yet. digamma's responses have been strange, considering he's the one who's been called out as a wolf. That being said, there's little else to go on.

08-10-2005, 01:47 PM	#553
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	I didn't claim that the item I had vindicates me. I said I can't falsely claim that I have/had a mask, because two people know what item I had. Both have come forward. I have the Cloak of whispers. I told henry that when we were able to PM on Day 1 with his Robe and I used the Cloak today to talk with hoopsguy. Both have professed their "villagerness" to me. I trust them. Hopefully they trust me as well.

08-10-2005, 01:49 PM	#554
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	It's convenient that BrianD voted for me the first day. Look, I'm consistent. I "viewed" the person I voted for. Trust me. I'm honest. Would you like to buy this 87 Yugo? Runs perfectly. You won't have a single problem with it.

08-10-2005, 01:53 PM	#555
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Oh, and if it isn't obvious: Vote BrianD

08-10-2005, 02:12 PM	#558
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	See this thread: http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ad.php?t=41553 Clearly, there is more activity there than here.

08-10-2005, 02:43 PM	#561
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	I want to appeal to whoever can heal me out there. 1) I posted that I viewed Lathum as a werewolf. Lathum posted that he had one of the two masks. Lathum turned out to be a villager, therefore, I must be a villager. * - I'll admit that it is possible that a wolf could randomly pick a villager who turns out to have the mask. A great cover, but how lucky would that be. 2) I now have 3 silver pieces. I can purchase something that will put the hurt on the wolves. 3) Losing another villager does not help our cause. We need to keep our numbers up. That is all.

08-10-2005, 03:22 PM	#569
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Anyone know who has/had the ring? Or whoever used it in the first place want to come forward?

08-10-2005, 03:51 PM	#570
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm not sure why a vote for Digamma from the holder of the Ring of Wisdom should hold more weight than any other vote. The Ring only gives the extra vote, not any seeing power. Was that the only vote that Digamma picked up yesterday? If so, then the holder of the Ring split his votes. I'm not convinced that Digamma is innocent. But I'm not convinced he is guilty either and I'm inclined to point out arguments that don't necessarily hold up under my review. We have quite a few people who have not participated to the discussion over the last couple of days ... would love to hear some additional voices taking a critical look at the limited information available to us.

08-10-2005, 03:57 PM	#571
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm always suspicious, so it seems as if digamma's a lock for tonight. I don't like to bandwagon unless it looks really certain, but BrianD seems as if he's the real deal (lol...RealDeal). Actually, I'm more interested with what happens with Fouts tonight since that appears to have fallen off the radar.

08-10-2005, 04:01 PM	#574
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Also, trying to think like a wolf for a minute here ... How valuable is the Cloak of Whispers, relative to other items out there? If I were one of three wolves out there I think I would be trading this item in an attempt to pick up something that could hurt a wolf or villager (dart, holy water, dagger, lightning) or steal items or break items. I'm validating that Digamma has the Cloak of Whispers today. Unless you do not trust both of us, plus the second-hand information from Henry, this is a fact. Digamma is stating he has had the Cloak of Whispers for the duration AND that he has never had a mask. This doesn't sound like a wolf to me, which leads me to question BrianD. BrianD did not know that Digamma had the Cloak before today. He says that he saw Digamma as a wolf. One of these two is lying. I'm willing to be swayed on this, but as of right now Vote BrianD

08-10-2005, 04:10 PM	#575
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Here's one more thing that doesn't make sense to me. Why would he wait to out me? He says he was waiting to see if he could catch me working with the other wolves, but I'm not sure how he was going to do that since his pendant was a one use item. In the meantime, we've lynched Lathum, gotten dubb killed and gotten Fouts (though he's not cleared) hit by a dart. This coming from the same guy who yesterday was not so keen on sacraficing villagers.

08-10-2005, 04:21 PM	#583
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, I know Digamma has the Cloak today. I don't know that he had it the whole time. I don't know if Digamma had a mask - no one knows this other than Digamma. He maintains he did not, thus taking away the most basic villager defense against a villager accusation. If you assume that Digamma did not have a mask, then one of two things is true: 1.) Digamma is a wolf 2.) BrianD is lying, which would very strongly suggest wolf Working with these two ideas above, I tried to figure out why a wolf would keep the Cloak of Whispers instead of trading it for a more powerful item. I couldn't come up with a good reason. Thus my vote. I'm suggesting that Brian, if he is a wolf, is picking someone more or less at random. And if he is a wolf, then I think he got a little bit unlucky picking Digamma, who just doesn't seem to fit the wolf profile based on my initial review. There is a very good chance I'm wrong. And if I am then I'm going to generate suspicion. I accept that. But I'm not going to sit idly by while we are, I think, preparing to lynch the wrong guy.

08-10-2005, 04:35 PM	#589
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fouts, when you are alive tomorrow thanks to the Ointment and a confirmed villager I'll put a great deal more weight behind your posts. Going to look up the items that I would think are better than the Cloak for a wolf ...

08-10-2005, 04:36 PM	#591
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	It looks like I haven't voted yet, so I will. Brian has no outs if Digamma isn't a wolf. Brian has played this game before and knows that he would die if he targeted a villager at this point. He was not a suspect before pointing the finger. I vote Digamma

08-10-2005, 04:47 PM	#593
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Vote tally so far: Digamma - BrianD, ardent, MrBug708, eaglesfan27, fouts BrianD - digamma, hoopsguy

08-10-2005, 04:48 PM	#594
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Here are the items I would prefer as a wolf to the Cloak of Whispers (one use item) Gloves/Lockpick - steal from target Guise - intercept pass from random Hammer - destroy item Ring - extra hidden vote Coat - can't be lynched Dagger - take away defense against wolves Dart - wound villager Holy Water - take away defense against wolves Hood/Notebook - info on item. Target someone with good item unlikely to be passed or someone who appears vulnerable Mask - wolf appears as villager Ointment - heal self or another wolf, no role reveal if held Potion - heal, no role reveal Staff - hurt, plus no lynch that day Eagles, if you believe Henry talked to Digamma on the first day, then you should believe his info where he said Digamma had the Cloak. And he held onto this one-use item for two days, instead of trading for one of the above items. It doesn't sound like a wolf to me. I'm hoping I'm wrong, because it looks like Digamma is going to be lynched today. And I realize that if he is a wolf then I'm going to go through an awful lot of scrutiny. I'm willing to take that chance, I suppose, although going after me is not reducing wolf head count.

08-10-2005, 04:52 PM	#600
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If anyone uses the Potion on Fouts it is a wolf - there is zero upside for a villager to do this at this point in the game. If he is alive tomorrow without a villager vouching for him then I'm going to vote for him. No ifs, and, or buts. I'm just worried about the scenario where Fouts is a wolf and is healed by wolf - in this case it won't matter if it is Potion or Ointment. But there are only three wolves, so hopefully this scenario would not come to pass. Best case is he is a villager healed by a villager using the Ointment to clear him.

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