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path12 · 07-17-2007, 06:04 PM

Well, I have to leave soon and don't know that I'll be back by deadline. Don't like my choices, but don't want to throw away the vote either. Maybe this will tell us something around deadline.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 06:15 PM

Did BS say if he'd be back before deadline? If so presumably DT is in the lead.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 06:22 PM

I have it tied, BK. You, me, and Telle voting for bullet, and JE, Swaggs, and path voting for DT.

LoneStarGirl · 07-17-2007, 06:22 PM

Render, you have been really proactive this game. Trying to show off for your lady?

Passacaglia · 07-17-2007, 06:25 PM

Well, everyone has clarified their oddities a little except AE and DT. Since DT has more votes, I'll go with AE.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Swaggs · 07-17-2007, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Well, everyone has clarified their oddities a little except AE and DT. Since DT has more votes, I'll go with AE.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

I don't really think AE is an android and I'm not sure he should be on the block today.

I think it would be a good idea, for the folks with the ability, to check both he and I out tonight. I think it is possible that one of us is a replicant without knowing it.

Chief Rum · 07-17-2007, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

One thing that just occured to me is this cuts the other way too. Suppose you're ardent, and you're a wolf. Are you going to come right out and say what's in your pm? I'm thinking no, not unless somebody else does first. I actually think its equally likely that Swaggs is a wolf.

Thanks, I read two pages of posts wondering when this would occur to anyone. Didn't get the "good vibe" on Swaggs at all. Not to say a get a bad vibe, but there just seemed to be a lot of easy leaps to allegiance there, which is REALLY strange on Day One.

Still reading through the thread...

BTW, my dream seemed sorta oddball. I lost a paper mache contest to Attila the Hun, and Gary Player was the judge. Yeah, you all know that's the truth because I couldn't make that crap up.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I think it is possible that one of us is a replicant without knowing it.

I don't understand how this would work, given that the rules say the replicant's can communicate with each other.

Chief Rum · 07-17-2007, 07:20 PM

I doubt he's a wolf, but it's a better shot than anyone else has given us, IMO.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I would sit and hang out, but I am off to the second job soon. See you all tonight.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Thanks, I read two pages of posts wondering when this would occur to anyone. Didn't get the "good vibe" on Swaggs at all. Not to say a get a bad vibe, but there just seemed to be a lot of easy leaps to allegiance there, which is REALLY strange on Day One.

Still reading through the thread...

BTW, my dream seemed sorta oddball. I lost a paper mache contest to Attila the Hun, and Gary Player was the judge. Yeah, you all know that's the truth because I couldn't make that crap up.

I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.

Alan T · 07-17-2007, 07:35 PM

So I see the vote currently as:

4 - bulletsponge - Barkeep49 (219), st.cronin (225), Telle (246), chief rum (259)
3 - DaddyTorgo - Jonathan Ezarik (134), Swaggs (161), Path (251)
2 - ntndeacon - Lathum (193), RendeR (211)
2 - ardent enthusiast - KWhit (154), Passacaglia (255)
1 - RendeR - LoneStarGirl (183)
1 - Passacaglia - bulletsponge (151)
1 - Lathum - ntndeacon (172)
1 - KWhit - twothree (194)

not voted:

1. Alan T
13. DaddyTorgo
18. ardent enthusiast

I assume if DT comes back before deadline he'll vote Bulletsponge to keep himself safer, and if I go elsewhere, then its a pretty decisive vote margin.. If I vote DT to keep things close, right now it would be a tie if DT doesn't come back.. Do we know what happens in the case of a tie?

I know I am about to open a can of worms here, but in this case where we don't really learn anything from the lynch.. could it be said that a tie here isn't a bad thing?

Alan T · 07-17-2007, 07:38 PM

Tangle, I see you in the thread.. what happens in the case of a tie?

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Render, you have been really proactive this game. Trying to show off for your lady?

Nope, just trying to be loud and obnoxious as always =)

Swaggs · 07-17-2007, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't understand how this would work, given that the rules say the replicant's can communicate with each other.

It may be a stretch, I don't know.

I just know that, in the movie, Sean Young's character didn't know she was a replicant, but I think she figured out that she had some memories from one of the programmer's daughters or something.

My PM, after giving me the details of my dream, clearly told me that I am a human. So, if I am a replicant, it would be news to me. But, it is odd that two of us have the same memory.

tanglewood · 07-17-2007, 07:44 PM

Day 1 Votecount

bulletsponge - 4 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum
DaddyTorgo - 4 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 2 Lathum, RendeR
Passacaglia - 1 bulletsponge
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Yet to vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

15 minutes to deadline.

Swaggs · 07-17-2007, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.

What does Bullet have to do with me?

I can understand not trusting me or AE. I agree that the similar dreams sounds suspicious, which is why I brought it up. But you putting a contingency of focussing on me if Bullet dies tonight is odd and seems very leading to me.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 07:46 PM

I figure that there are two possibilities about a person not knowing they were a replicant:
1. It's a conversion possibility
2. They count towards the victory total though the replicants don't know that

If it's the second case I would guess there would be perhaps only two players who know they're wolves. This would also balance nicely against the handicap faced by no death reveal.

tanglewood · 07-17-2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Tangle, I see you in the thread.. what happens in the case of a tie?

There is a game mechanic to decide ties. It is not related to any player role.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

What does Bullet have to do with me?

I can understand not trusting me or AE. I agree that the similar dreams sounds suspicious, which is why I brought it up. But you putting a contingency of focussing on me if Bullet dies tonight is odd and seems very leading to me.

Bullet has nothing to do with you. I just vote for people who say they're wolves before starting down a more deductive path.

Alan T · 07-17-2007, 07:47 PM

Ok, this may be unpopular, and may get me votes tommorrow, but thinking this through.. I am going to tie it up...

We have not one but two guys with some kind of seer ability, we get zero feedback about anyone we lynch.. so maybe extending the game a bit by trying to create no lynch here will help the good guys out. I have no idea what a tie does in this game, but will play with the assumption it could end in a no lynch. I know this is a hot spot with many people.. so I'll accept any punishment people wish to dish on me..

Vote Daddytorgo

path12 · 07-17-2007, 07:48 PM

Interesting that bullet's vote is still on Pass. I'd have figured he'd have tied it up by now.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 07:49 PM

Alan, tangle just posted that there is a tiebreaker. So there will be a lynch.

Swaggs · 07-17-2007, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Bullet has nothing to do with you. I just vote for people who say they're wolves before starting down a more deductive path.

Why did you seem to commit to voting for me tomorrow if Bullet dies tonight?

If he doesn't die tonight, are we both clear?

If he does die tonight, does that add any evidence to a case against me?

Not trying to pick here, but I don't see why him dying tonight has anything to do with me, at all. To me, it seems like you are planting a seed here that, if Bullet is killed tonight, we should look at Swaggs.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Why did you seem to commit to voting for me tomorrow if Bullet dies tonight?

If he doesn't die tonight, are we both clear?

If he does die tonight, does that add any evidence to a case against me?

Not trying to pick here, but I don't see why him dying tonight has anything to do with me, at all. To me, it seems like you are planting a seed here that, if Bullet is killed tonight, we should look at Swaggs.

If he doesn't die today I will likely vote for him again tomorrow. And keep on that course until there appears to be a better way. He's my first choice, you're 1A

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 07:52 PM

Swaggs, I took BK to mean that he was committed to a lynch of bullet for today, and that tomorrow, barring new information, he was inclined to vote for you. If I've misunderstood him, he can correct me, but that's what I thought he was saying.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Ok, this may be unpopular, and may get me votes tommorrow, but thinking this through.. I am going to tie it up...

We have not one but two guys with some kind of seer ability, we get zero feedback about anyone we lynch.. so maybe extending the game a bit by trying to create no lynch here will help the good guys out. I have no idea what a tie does in this game, but will play with the assumption it could end in a no lynch. I know this is a hot spot with many people.. so I'll accept any punishment people wish to dish on me..

Vote Daddytorgo

I like the fact that you voted your conscience even if I don't quite understandw hy.

bulletsponge · 07-17-2007, 07:54 PM

unvote Pass
vote Daddytorgo

this isnt the vote of a wolf, its the vote of a rat who wants to live

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 07:55 PM

Gah, looks like two players are going to miss the vote.

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 07:56 PM

I dislike rats, you can take your chances with DT:

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 07:58 PM

TICK TOCK

path12 · 07-17-2007, 07:58 PM

Interesting.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

unvote Pass
vote Daddytorgo

this isnt the vote of a wolf, its the vote of a rat who wants to live

Can you explain your actions? It would be helpful if you could post your dream as well.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

I dislike rats, you can take your chances with DT:

UNVOTE NTNDEACON

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

I don't like this vote at all.

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Can you explain your actions? It would be helpful if you could post your dream as well.

Don't mean to state the obvious here, but he was trying to save his own skin, what more motivation does he need BK?

tanglewood · 07-17-2007, 08:01 PM

Voting closed.

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 08:01 PM

Tied at the deadline.

path12 · 07-17-2007, 08:01 PM

Tie, right?

Swaggs · 07-17-2007, 08:02 PM

Well played first day for us, I suspect.

I think this vote could be very telling in a couple of days.

RendeR · 07-17-2007, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't like this vote at all.

Its not popular but its just simply this:

Its day 1, we know nothing, we're all grasping at straws here trying to see faces in the shadows.

I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.

tanglewood · 07-17-2007, 08:03 PM

Day 1 Final Vote Tally

bulletsponge - 5 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum, RendeR
DaddyTorgo - 5 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT, bulletsponge
ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia
ntndeacon - 1 Lathum
Lathum - 1 ntndeacon
KWhit - 1 twothree
RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl

Did not vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

st.cronin · 07-17-2007, 08:03 PM

My guess is DT is off to Mars. He's on quite the roll for early exits.

Telle · 07-17-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it's interesting that two of us have reached the same conclusion (Swaggs is more likely wolf than AE) from two different perspectives. I would strongly be willing to do a Swaggs vote tomorrow if Bullet bites it tonight.

What made you change your mind about DT? Why isn't he on your short list?

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Don't mean to state the obvious here, but he was trying to save his own skin, what more motivation does he need BK?

I got his vote. It's your vote I don't like or particularly understand.

bulletsponge · 07-17-2007, 08:07 PM

am i dead?

path12 · 07-17-2007, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.

So if it had been you in bullet's spot, you wouldn't have changed your vote to save yourself? Really?

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

What made you change your mind about DT? Why isn't he on your short list?

Well if we knew the results of BS I would more likely be willing to go after DT. I just refuse to believe that two wolves slipped up. It's happened before, but... So since we don't find out if BS is a wolf or not, I'm going to assume he is and so I will not condemn DT for the same reason as BS. I would certainly be willing to look at him, however. I just like Swaggs better at this point. However, as I think about it Render's late vote to condemn BS, and save DT, when we have a tie mechanism in place is quite fishy and suggests that perhaps DT was bad after all. I hate not finding out if we were right or wrong.

path12 · 07-17-2007, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

am i dead?

You're tied with DT. And it's dinner time. Back in awhile.

tanglewood · 07-17-2007, 08:10 PM

The votes are taken and after much argument, DaddyTorgo is chosen to voluenteer for Mars duty. Everyone wishes him well as he leaves for the shuttleport, though they know the fate that awaits him. If he is a Replicant he is doomed to his slave-like existence in terrible conditions for until the inevitable expiration. If he is human, then the same.

Night actions are due in before 10am EST.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2007, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Its not popular but its just simply this:

Its day 1, we know nothing, we're all grasping at straws here trying to see faces in the shadows.

I have an honorable streak in me, I hate it, but its there. BS took the rats way out, he tried to save his own but by sacrificing someone else. I dislike using others for personal gain, thus I tied the vote back up.

Wait a second. Let's say he's a villager. Why in the world should he be willing to sacrifice himself instead of someone else, who might or might not be a villager? When you're a villager the almost always best way to help the villagers win is to prevent yourself from being lynched. We don't want villagers to die and so a villager should always try and help a known villager. And you're always a known villager to yourself. I hope that makes sense.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-17-2007, 08:12 PM

Did DaddyTorgo post anything after he announced that he was human? Did he give some kind of defense that I missed as I read through the posts?

07-17-2007, 06:04 PM	#251
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Well, I have to leave soon and don't know that I'll be back by deadline. Don't like my choices, but don't want to throw away the vote either. Maybe this will tell us something around deadline. VOTE DADDYTORGO __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2007, 06:22 PM	#253
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I have it tied, BK. You, me, and Telle voting for bullet, and JE, Swaggs, and path voting for DT. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 07:44 PM	#265
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Day 1 Votecount bulletsponge - 4 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum DaddyTorgo - 4 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia ntndeacon - 2 Lathum, RendeR Passacaglia - 1 bulletsponge Lathum - 1 ntndeacon KWhit - 1 twothree RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl Yet to vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast 15 minutes to deadline. Last edited by tanglewood : 07-17-2007 at 07:49 PM. Reason: Updated down to AlanT's vote below

07-17-2007, 07:48 PM	#271
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Interesting that bullet's vote is still on Pass. I'd have figured he'd have tied it up by now. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2007, 07:49 PM	#272
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Alan, tangle just posted that there is a tiebreaker. So there will be a lynch. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 06:15 PM	#252
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Did BS say if he'd be back before deadline? If so presumably DT is in the lead.

07-17-2007, 06:22 PM	#254
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Render, you have been really proactive this game. Trying to show off for your lady?

07-17-2007, 06:25 PM	#255
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Well, everyone has clarified their oddities a little except AE and DT. Since DT has more votes, I'll go with AE. VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

07-17-2007, 07:20 PM	#259
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I doubt he's a wolf, but it's a better shot than anyone else has given us, IMO. VOTE BULLETSPONGE I would sit and hang out, but I am off to the second job soon. See you all tonight.

07-17-2007, 07:35 PM	#261
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So I see the vote currently as: 4 - bulletsponge - Barkeep49 (219), st.cronin (225), Telle (246), chief rum (259) 3 - DaddyTorgo - Jonathan Ezarik (134), Swaggs (161), Path (251) 2 - ntndeacon - Lathum (193), RendeR (211) 2 - ardent enthusiast - KWhit (154), Passacaglia (255) 1 - RendeR - LoneStarGirl (183) 1 - Passacaglia - bulletsponge (151) 1 - Lathum - ntndeacon (172) 1 - KWhit - twothree (194) not voted: 1. Alan T 13. DaddyTorgo 18. ardent enthusiast I assume if DT comes back before deadline he'll vote Bulletsponge to keep himself safer, and if I go elsewhere, then its a pretty decisive vote margin.. If I vote DT to keep things close, right now it would be a tie if DT doesn't come back.. Do we know what happens in the case of a tie? I know I am about to open a can of worms here, but in this case where we don't really learn anything from the lynch.. could it be said that a tie here isn't a bad thing?

07-17-2007, 07:38 PM	#262
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Tangle, I see you in the thread.. what happens in the case of a tie?

07-17-2007, 07:46 PM	#267
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I figure that there are two possibilities about a person not knowing they were a replicant: 1. It's a conversion possibility 2. They count towards the victory total though the replicants don't know that If it's the second case I would guess there would be perhaps only two players who know they're wolves. This would also balance nicely against the handicap faced by no death reveal.

07-17-2007, 07:47 PM	#270
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Ok, this may be unpopular, and may get me votes tommorrow, but thinking this through.. I am going to tie it up... We have not one but two guys with some kind of seer ability, we get zero feedback about anyone we lynch.. so maybe extending the game a bit by trying to create no lynch here will help the good guys out. I have no idea what a tie does in this game, but will play with the assumption it could end in a no lynch. I know this is a hot spot with many people.. so I'll accept any punishment people wish to dish on me.. Vote Daddytorgo

07-17-2007, 07:52 PM	#275
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Swaggs, I took BK to mean that he was committed to a lynch of bullet for today, and that tomorrow, barring new information, he was inclined to vote for you. If I've misunderstood him, he can correct me, but that's what I thought he was saying. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 07:54 PM	#277
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	unvote Pass vote Daddytorgo this isnt the vote of a wolf, its the vote of a rat who wants to live

07-17-2007, 07:55 PM	#278
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Gah, looks like two players are going to miss the vote. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 07:56 PM	#279
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I dislike rats, you can take your chances with DT: UNVOTE NTNDEACON VOTE BULLETSPONGE __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-17-2007, 07:58 PM	#280
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	TICK TOCK __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-17-2007, 07:58 PM	#281
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Interesting. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2007, 08:01 PM	#285
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Voting closed.

07-17-2007, 08:01 PM	#286
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Tied at the deadline. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 08:01 PM	#287
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Tie, right? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-17-2007, 08:02 PM	#288
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Well played first day for us, I suspect. I think this vote could be very telling in a couple of days. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-17-2007, 08:03 PM	#290
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Day 1 Final Vote Tally bulletsponge - 5 Barkeep49, st.cronin, Telle, Chief Rum, RendeR DaddyTorgo - 5 Jonathan Ezarik, Swaggs, path12, AlanT, bulletsponge ardent enthusiast - 2 KWhit, Passacaglia ntndeacon - 1 Lathum Lathum - 1 ntndeacon KWhit - 1 twothree RendeR - 1 LoneStarGirl Did not vote: DaddyTorgo, ardent enthusiast

07-17-2007, 08:03 PM	#291
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	My guess is DT is off to Mars. He's on quite the roll for early exits. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-17-2007, 08:07 PM	#294
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	am i dead?

07-17-2007, 08:10 PM	#298
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	The votes are taken and after much argument, DaddyTorgo is chosen to voluenteer for Mars duty. Everyone wishes him well as he leaves for the shuttleport, though they know the fate that awaits him. If he is a Replicant he is doomed to his slave-like existence in terrible conditions for until the inevitable expiration. If he is human, then the same. Night actions are due in before 10am EST.

07-17-2007, 08:12 PM	#300
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Did DaddyTorgo post anything after he announced that he was human? Did he give some kind of defense that I missed as I read through the posts?

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