WW CLVIII - The Princess Bride Returns (Game Over: Wolves Win!!!)

[mauchow]

vote font

[PackerFanatic]

The wolves are just loving the fact that we are all so damn quiet :-\

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by mauchow

After thinking further i think the village is screwed.

Well, the brutal might not be in the game or he might be the last wolf we lynch. And the horse might learn to sing.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by mauchow

vote font

Just on the off-chance that you're actually a villager you realise that even if Fonti is a wolf then you're handing the game to the wolves if you don't follow murra5y and me?

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

catching up. Zinto is going to vote for Brit, so unless someone switches my vote is pointless

Find this odd coming from an experienced player - with the odds like 7:4 then it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the wolves would pull some sort of shenanigans late in the day.

[mauchow]

How?

[Narcizo]

5:4 to the village seems a lock at this stage. I guess we could dream of 6:3 but I can't see it. If any of the village doesn't vote together then the wolves will, at least, be able to tie things up.

[Narcizo]

A 4:4 tie between Lathum and A.N.Other would result in you getting lynched.

[Narcizo]

If you're a villager then that would be bad.

[Narcizo]

Worth repeating that if Inigo is in the game he might want to use his power today.

[Narcizo]

Also worth reiterating that my vote on Lathum isn't set in stone if anyone wants to convince me on someone else.

[Narcizo]

In summing up

IF Katy isn't the cunning
AND the wolves don't get the wheelbarrow
AND they can't steal Inigo's power to duke
AND they don't have a brutal or we lynch the brutal last
AND we manage to lynch four wolves in a row
THEN we might be able to win.

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE LATHUM

[Narcizo]

If a villager has got the wheelbarrow I suggest they use it today so it doesn't accidentally land in wolfy hands if you're nightkilled.

[Narcizo]

If Katy, Julio or murra5y is a wolf then I give a conditional order to throw the game now.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

The wolves are just loving the fact that we are all so damn quiet :-\

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

VOTE LATHUM

Irony intended - I presume.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Just on the off-chance that you're actually a villager you realise that even if Fonti is a wolf then you're handing the game to the wolves if you don't follow murra5y and me?

Especially when scummy followed my vote late last night (and changed her vote onto a villager at the last min). Made me change this morning. Wanted to see if scummy followed. Now the 2 people I trusted the most are on the same side as my current vote.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

In summing up

IF Katy isn't the cunning
AND the wolves don't get the wheelbarrow
AND they can't steal Inigo's power to duke
AND they don't have a brutal or we lynch the brutal last
AND we manage to lynch four wolves in a row
THEN we might be able to win.

So you are saying we have a chance?

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

5:4 to the village seems a lock at this stage. I guess we could dream of 6:3 but I can't see it. If any of the village doesn't vote together then the wolves will, at least, be able to tie things up.

With scummy and Mau voting for Zinto I think Zinto is the brutal now if he exists.

[PackerFanatic]

I think it is between Lathum and Mau...just not feeling it with Zinto. I know we have to hit, but throwing all our votes at one place isn't going to help.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE MAUCHOW

[Lathum]

I'm not sure why I am getting votes, because Narc claims I made a play that as a wolf I would make, when in reality it was just a solid vote switch.

Seems like Narc is pushing me hard, possible he was converted at some point, but I'm just not seeing why I am getting votes

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

With scummy and Mau voting for Zinto I think Zinto is the brutal now if he exists.

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I think it is between Lathum and Mau...just not feeling it with Zinto. I know we have to hit, but throwing all our votes at one place isn't going to help.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE MAUCHOW

So my vote yesterday on zinto at the end of the day looks worse than the group of people on a known villager? That seems a bit back asswords. I understand that I wasn't around to contribute much yesterday but you're both reaching a bit. I'm the only one who hasn't voted for lathum as I was suggesting to make sure we had two candidates that us villagers dictated.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Just on the off-chance that you're actually a villager you realise that even if Fonti is a wolf then you're handing the game to the wolves if you don't follow murra5y and me?

And to further add to this... if I happen to be voting for a wolf and you're voting for a wolf..how are we giving this game away if we split our votes among wolves?

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Vote Zinto as we should have done yesterday.

Tgi s quick trigger vote after murray is what caused me to vote the way I did. Murrayyy seems a bit too piggybacky to be a wolf.

[mauchow]

This. ..my keyboard on phone stopped working.

[mauchow]

unvote font
Vote lathum

I'll go this way for now until we can hammer more out through the day.

I'm going to be driving for a few hours now so I'll be out til afyer woek.

[murrayyyyy]

I just don't think I can convince anyone for a run on Font. If someone wants a run on here I'd be perfectly fine going that way too.

Also Packer, I don't think spliting our votes helps either at this point (unless everyone will be on for a late run like was saw last night. Font changed her vote (probably think he would use the barrow) and Lathum voted after declaring he saw no reason to vote for Brit because Zinto would vote for brit, then vote for brit anyways (I know, damned if you do, damned if you don't).

[Zinto]

Why are we voting for Lathum? I think we at least need to consider others if Narc is still on.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by mauchow

And to further add to this... if I happen to be voting for a wolf and you're voting for a wolf..how are we giving this game away if we split our votes among wolves?

Because the wolves will put all their votes on a villager.

[Zinto]

I completely agree that we need to stack today. There is no reason not to.

[Zinto]

Well unless you think we are in better shape then 5-4 today, which I am beginning to doubt.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Why are we voting for Lathum? I think we at least need to consider others if Narc is still on.

Because if you're a villager then there's a 3 in 4 chance that he's a wolf. Really, anyone on the Packers-Lathum-Zinto-Mau-Fonti side have a walk in the park.

Voting Lathum because he's done nothing all game and his vote on Jackal is way more wolfy than yours when everyone was willing to vote you early this morning. I'm here an hour so I'm down with a chat.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Because if you're a villager then there's a 3 in 4 chance that he's a wolf. Really, anyone on the Packers-Lathum-Zinto-Mau-Fonti side have a walk in the park. .

Actually the maths varies. Depends how many wolves you think might be hiding among the me-murra5y-JR-Katy group.

[Zinto]

I agree that one of them have to be a wolf but I was just wondering why him over Packer, Mau, or Font? I am going to look back at their votes and such real quick.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I just don't think I can convince anyone for a run on Font. If someone wants a run on here I'd be perfectly fine going that way too.

I'm wondering about fonti being the brutal and mau being a starter wolf at the moment. Kind of inclined to think Zinto could be the Rous.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Seems like Narc is pushing me hard, possible he was converted at some point, but I'm just not seeing why I am getting votes

Because of the way you play nobody is ever going to get a read on you. Given the situation that makes you a far better than 50:50 shot of being a wolf at the moment. I don't think Zinto is one of the wolf group. If Katy or JR is a wolf then we're boned anyway. The fact that you haven't been mentioned makes me think that you aren't the brutal if you are a wolf.

[Narcizo]

Vis-a-vis Fonti being the brutal Packers also had an early vote on her yesterday. Pretty win-win from a wolf point of view at that stage. Then again under my hypothesis that means Lathum has to be the villager or Rous. So I've no idea.

[Narcizo]

Wish I'd had the time to do the voting table thingies. Might help a bit here.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm wondering about fonti being the brutal and mau being a starter wolf at the moment. Kind of inclined to think Zinto could be the Rous.

I had Zinto in mind for the Rous also.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I had Zinto in mind for the Rous also.

Would explain why he voted for Latumn. I don't think the Rous knows who the other wolves are.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

I just don't think I can convince anyone for a run on Font.

I can go with a vote on fonti, I think she looks pretty guilty. Just concerned that she's the brutal.

I'm getting vibes that mau and Packers are staging a wolf-wolf argument. If Fonti is a wolf then that would mean that Lathum could easily be villager.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

Would explain why he voted for Latumn. I don't think the Rous knows who the other wolves are.

I presume you mean Jackal and yeah. Rous can scan for the other wolfies though so you'd think that the Rous has found at least one by now and can make pretty good deductions about the others. If I had the vote tables I'd look for possible vote piggy-backing.

[murrayyyyy]

We can change to Font Nacr, wouldn't bother me one bit. I think our odds are slim right now anyway. Yeah, I meant Jackal.

[Narcizo]

Taken from Jag

Day 1:

PackerFanatic 3 - Danny (106), Coffee Warlord (159), Chief Rum (188)
mauchow 3 - Narcizo (95), murrayyyyy (180), PackerFanatic (193)
KatyLied 2 - JAG (99), Jackal (196)
Coffee Warlord 1 - Autumn (200)
murrayyyyy 1 - Lathum (156)
DQ_Boy1000 1 - path12 (171)

Danny unvotes Packer (2)
Narcizo unvotes mauchow (2), votes Coffee Warlord (2)
fontisian votes KatyLied (3)
Chief Rum unvotes Packer (1), votes mauchow (3)
DT votes Lathum (1)
DT unvotes Lathum (0), votes Coffee Warlord (3)
britrock votes Lathum (1)
Chief Rum unvotes mauchow (2)
Coffee Warlord unvotes Packer (0)
mauchow votes Coffee Warlord (4)
Narcizo unvotes Coffee Warlord (3), votes murra5y (2)
Coffee Warlord votes murra5y (3)
Chief Rum votes KatyLied (4)
murra5y unvoted mauchow (1), votes Coffee Warlord (4)
Packer unvotes mauchow (0), votes KatyLied (5)
Zinto votes Coffee Warlord (5)
Coffee Warlord unvotes murra5y (2), votes KatyLied (6)
mauchow unvotes Coffee Warlord (4)
Danny votes murra5y (3)
mauchow votes murra5y (4)
Zinto unvotes Coffee Warlord (3), votes KatyLied (7)
KatyLied votes Coffee Warlord (4)
JAG unvotes KatyLied (6), votes murra5y (5)
fontisian unvotes KatyLied (5), votes murra5y (6)
Coffee Warlord unvotes KatyLied (4), votes murra5y (7)

Final D1:

murra5y 7 - Lathum, Narcizo, Danny, mauchow, JAG, fontisian, Coffee Warlord
KatyLied 4 - Jackal , Chief Rum, Packer, Zinto
Coffee Warlord 4 - Autumn, DT, murra5y, KatyLied
DQ_Boy1000 1 - path12
Lathum 1 - britrock

No Vote - DQ_Boy1000, Julio

Caveats: Katy could be cunning.

[Narcizo]

So Packer has a fairly strong vote on mau on day one. Usually the third vote is pretty much gauranteeing that that person is going to be in the running. KInd of makes me think that Packer-mau aren't on the same team.

I still like my fonti-Jackal connection from day one which points to them being on the same team.

[Narcizo]

Day 2:

1 Britrock - Lathum (333)
1 DQ_BOY1000 - JAG (340)
1 fontisian - Narcizo (330)
1 PackerFanatic - mauchow (356)
1 KatyLied - Coffee Warlord (358)
1 path12 - DQ_BOY1000 (368)

Narcizo unvotes fontisian (0), votes path12 (2)
KatyLied votes Coffee Warlord (1)
PackerFanatic votes Britrock (2)
path12 votes DQ_BOY1000 (2)
murra5y votes fontisian (1)
fontisian votes Julio (1)
Britrock votes JAG (1)
Danny votes path12 (3)
Jackal votes DQBOY_1000 (3)
Coffee Warlord unvotes Katy (0)
fontisian unvotes Julio (0), votes Britrock (3)
Autumn votes JAG (2)
Coffee Warlord votes JAG (3)
Chief Rum votes JAG (4)
Mauchow unvotes Packer (0)
murra5y unvotes fontisian (0), votes path12 (4)
Mauchow votes DQ_BOY1000 (4)
Zinto votes DQ_BOY1000 (5)
Fontisian unvotes Britrock (2), votes JAG (5)
DT votes path12 (4)
DQ_BOY1000 unvotes path12 (3), votes JAG (6)
fontisian unvotes JAG (5), votes path12 (4)
Autumn unvotes JAG (4), votes Britrock (3)
Coffee Warlord unvotes JAG (3), votes DQ_BOY1000 (6)
KatyLied unvotes Coffee Warlord (0), votes JAG (4)
Jackal unvotes DQ (5), votes path12 (5)
Lathum unvotes Britrock (2), votes DQ_BOY1000 (6)
Britrock unvotes JAG (3), votes path12 (6)
Britrock unvotes path12 (5), votes DQ_BOY1000 (7)
Autumn unvotes Britrock (1), votes DQ_BOY1000 (8)
Danny unvotes path12 (4), votes DQ_BOY1000 (9)
DQ_BOY1000 unvotes JAG (2), votes path12 (5)
Britrock unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (8), votes JAG (3)
JAG unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (7), votes path12 (6)
Danny unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (6)
Autumn unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (5), votes path12 (7)
Coffee Warlord unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (4)
Britrock unvotes JAG (2), votes path12 (8)
Danny votes path12 (9)
Coffee Warlord votes path12 (10)
Zinto unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (3), votes path12 (11)
Chief Rum unvotes JAG (1), votes path12 (12)
Mauchow (in traffic) unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (2)

[Narcizo]

Lathum-Packers with an early 1-2 on Britrock kind of makes me think that they're less likely to be on the same team. Not really much else to take from this. Fonti adds another vote on Britrock there making it three suspects on the same candidate. 2 wolves I can maybe buy but three seems a stretch. Of course one might be the Rous so I don't know how much else you would want to read into that. Fonti hops around a fair bit early on but lands on Jag and stays there.

[Julio Riddols]

Jesus.

Just caught up, nice night it looks like.

Vote Lathum

This better be stacked on the right dude.

[Narcizo]

Day three has so much movement that it would have made me at my nothing-to-doist blanche. I'll just have to go with Coffee's vote tally.

[Julio Riddols]

I would also be cool with a vote on Fontisian. I think that's our cunning.