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Nashville Predators to be sold; moving to Kansas City
Boy, KC didn't have to wait long to get their shot at the NHL. In addition, the Nashville owner is selling it to the KC owner for 50 million less than the Ontario offer that he turned down.........
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06-28-2007, 12:10 PM | #2 |
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Wow, that was fast.
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06-28-2007, 12:11 PM | #3 |
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Too bad Canada didn't get another team, but I guess it's not a slam dunk that would've been the best particular spot for them anywhere, with two teams (at least) being negatively impacted.
It remains to be seen whether KC can support a NHL team though. |
06-28-2007, 12:20 PM | #4 |
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If an owner is selling and knows that either buyer will move the team, why would he take $50 mil less from one guy? Did the Maple Leafs make some sort of under-the-table offer to cover the difference?
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06-28-2007, 12:23 PM | #5 | |
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KC has two major sports franchises and a lot of hockey transplants from places like Chicago and St. Louis. Also, KC is a much different market than it has been in the past. KC is adding 20,000 residents a year right now onto the 1.8M people already here. It's just as big, if not bigger than some of the existing NHL markets. As far as Canada, there's a reason that only a few NHL teams are left up there. There's a lot more money to be had in the U.S. markets, whether they like it or not. Owners are not in it to be charitable; they're trying to make money. |
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06-28-2007, 12:23 PM | #6 | |
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06-28-2007, 12:24 PM | #7 | |
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Balsillie has a lot of enemies in the NHL. I don't know the full story, but I get the impression from looking at other discussions that he's ticked off a lot of people involved in the sport. |
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06-28-2007, 12:26 PM | #8 |
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Bettman is an idiot...this has his fingerprints all over it.There is NO WAY a buisnessman who has made millions(Leipold) takes 50 mil less to sell his team.There is no reason for it,if he ran his other businesses like this he would be bankrupt.
Obviously the NHL is going to make up the 50 mil difference just to keep the NHL out of a thriving hockey market and put it into a maket that has already lost one team after 2 seasons. Another stellar move by the NHL.
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06-28-2007, 12:31 PM | #9 | |
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DelBiaggio is actually a minority owner of the Sharks right now if I remember correctly. He'll have to sell off that interest to complete the deal. Anschutz Entertainment only owns the arena. They have no interest in the actual team. |
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06-28-2007, 12:34 PM | #10 | |
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The only people he has pissed off is Bettman and his lackeys because he dared want to move the Preds to Canada where people would actually give a fuck. Instead they may move to Kansas City where they will fail as well and the NHL will look even more minor league than it does now. Bettman must be fired. By the way, the other league owners are in favour or Balsillie. An owner with deep pockets wanting to move to a place where the team would thrive means the other owners wouldn't have to revenue share with the Preds anymore. |
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06-28-2007, 12:36 PM | #11 | |
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I'm guessing that wasn't the actual reason given by Commissioner Bettman even if it is true that they don't like each other. |
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06-28-2007, 12:37 PM | #12 | |
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True, that would require Bettman to....actually tell the truth. Last edited by Oilers9911 : 06-28-2007 at 12:38 PM. |
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06-28-2007, 12:38 PM | #13 |
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Forgot to mention that the realignment plan if Nashville goes to KC is still to move Detroit to the Eastern Conference and place the Predators in the Western Conference in the same division as St. Louis. For those that don't know, KC isn't too fond of STL, so it should make for a nice little addition to the rivalries that already exist in football and especially baseball.
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06-28-2007, 12:42 PM | #14 | |
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um the Predators already play in the same division as St Louis.
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06-28-2007, 12:46 PM | #15 | |
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And the same division as Detroit, which is in the Western Conference. I don't think Detroit will be leaving the Western Conference any time soon. Despite the fact that it makes a ton of sense to move them, I think the owners in the West will do everything they can to keep Detroit in that Conference. They are a big draw.
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06-28-2007, 12:49 PM | #16 | |
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That must have been only if Pittsburgh was moved to KC then. Sorry for the confusion. |
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06-28-2007, 01:02 PM | #17 | |
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Yeah, that was discussed as the plan. No worries. It'll take some time before you get your full NHL-bearings. Figuring out all this divisions and conferences wont be half as difficult as it was back in the day when they used names like Clarence, Campbell, Norris, Smythe, etc. Those were good times. While I am happy for the folks in Kansas City, I hate seeing a franchise move.
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06-28-2007, 01:03 PM | #18 | |
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This article has more information about the difference in price. It sounds like the price Balsillie was offering was created from a bidding war. With Balsillie unable to come to an agreement, the bidding was reopened and DelBiaggio was able to get it for a cheaper price without Balsillie as competition. Also, it should be noted that the deal can only go through if the Predators average less than 14,000 in attendance this coming year.
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06-28-2007, 01:11 PM | #19 | |
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Get rid of talent:Check Raise ticket prices:Check Less than 14,000 per game:Inevitable
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06-28-2007, 01:13 PM | #20 |
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Well, at least the Sharks won't have to travel quite as far to defeat their first round opponent next year.
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06-28-2007, 01:17 PM | #21 |
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Sorry but this is a stupid move on Nashville's management part. Let's sell for less money and have them move a team where there is less passion for hockey. The NHL shouldn't be happy either, there is no where near the passion for hockey in the US as there is in Canada. Adding another team there would be good for the league. It would have allowed another huge rival for Toronto and even Buffalo, not to mention the other Canadian cities.
Man I cant wait to listen to Hockey Central at Noon on Fan590. All they talked about for the past week was about Hamilton |
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06-28-2007, 01:21 PM | #23 | |
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06-28-2007, 01:23 PM | #24 |
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06-28-2007, 01:23 PM | #25 |
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I usually get the podcast via iTunes everyday. Search for Fan590 Toronto or check this link. I think it will work but I am not entirely sure because it is blocked at work.
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06-28-2007, 01:24 PM | #26 |
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06-28-2007, 01:24 PM | #27 |
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Thanks. I'll have to listen to today's podcast when they post it. |
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06-28-2007, 01:27 PM | #29 | |
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They recently traded Kimmo Timonen & Scott Hartnell for the first rounder they lost in the Forsberg deal. They also traded their goalie, Tomas Vokoun, to Florida for two picks and a conditional pick. Here is a list of their UFA in which I doubt they will sign any... Unrestricted Free Agents: C Peter Forsberg, LW Paul Kariya, C Scott Nichol, D Sheldon Brookbank, RW Patrick Leahy, G Karl Goehring, C Kim Staal, D Vitali Vishnevski. And since they are in full dump mode, not many UFA are going to want to come to a team with an uncertain future and in full salary dump mode. |
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06-28-2007, 01:29 PM | #30 | |
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Yeah, I knew about Kariya and Forsberg off the top of my head. Would be great if they could do the rebuilding part this year and be back on the increasing upswing when they hit KC. |
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06-28-2007, 01:32 PM | #31 |
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Now another question...is Jim Balsillie the owner version of Ted Nolan where he will be black balled in the league for years to come?
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06-28-2007, 01:33 PM | #32 |
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i actually feel sorry for canadians about this crap. Hockey is thier sport, they are the only ones in any large numbers who care about the sport yet their franchises keep dwindling and never grow.
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No, they are (were) not a team that was in need of a rebuild. They did have alot of UFA's and couyldn't afford to keep them all so in that regard there would have been a re-tooling, not a re-build. |
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06-28-2007, 01:38 PM | #34 |
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Looks as though the Preds are rebuilding Philly.
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Here's the article from the KC paper. It jives with what I've heard about Balsillie. He's irritated the NHL owners as well as the NHL execs in regards to the season ticket sales........
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No. Jim is rich. Nolan is not and he's finally back, anyway.
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06-28-2007, 05:14 PM | #37 |
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Well, looks like I'll be switching to the Bruins when this move goes through.
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06-28-2007, 06:40 PM | #38 |
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Mizzou, i understand your in KC and you would support this move, but speaking as an outsider, its a terrible decision. I dont see how this will really be all that different from nashville, as KC isnt what i would consider hockey hungry(not like canada, or certain US cities). And i know KC, as i spent quite a bit of time in the area when i lived for 13 years in missouri. I think in 3-4 years, when the "oh look, a new team" feeling wears off, attendence will be low and the team likely leaking money.
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I certainly understand that opinion. They've built a lot of things into the arena and NHL deal that are going to make it awfully tough for a team to lose money in the first 30 years of the arena's life. The offer that they're floating is the reason that KC is on the top of the list and it's not just a lump-sum deal at the start. There's a lot of money and financial breaks over the long haul as well. |
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Media reports are saying that there's a possibility that the Predators may move before THIS season. There is a buyout option in the lease. It's rumored that DelBiaggio is considering negotiating an immediate release clause into the deal to get the Predators into the new Sprint Center this year. Makes perfect sense as the franchise will likely be a lame duck this year with a deal in place and most of the stars gone.
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I believe the possiblity of them moving before this season are extremely slim. If that was the case then why not just let them move to Hamilton after they have already sold season ticket seat licenses and all of the Corporate box licenses? I think they'll end up in KC, just not this season. Here is a good article on what Bob McKenzie thinks went down.
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There is already an existing buyout clause in the existing lease. So by making sure a buyout was included in the deal, he could have the Predators in KC for this season. There'd be no issues under that scenario. As far as Balsillie, there's obviously some hard feelings about him from people in the NHL. There's much more than meets the eye, but we'll likely never know the full story. |
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Answer me this then, why wasn't this ever brought by Balsillie since he had zero intentions of staying in Nashville?
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06-29-2007, 10:10 AM | #44 | |
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The article you posted answers most of those questions. The Nashville owner thought he'd take a shot with Balsillie since he was offering a ridiculous premium on his purchase price. When that fell through because Balsillie couldn't play nicely with others, he went to the next option. |
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06-29-2007, 10:28 AM | #45 |
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Never once from Balsillie nor the Toronto media did they say anything about an escape clause for this season. They talked about the 14,000 attendance one. If there was an escape clause for the 2007-08 season that Balsillie could exploit, believe me the Canadian media would've been all over it like flies on you know what.
Edit: Not to mention that any move would have to go through the NHL Board of Govenors, and there is no meeting with them scheduled till late summer/early fall. Last edited by Dr. Sak : 06-29-2007 at 10:31 AM. |
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A slightly different take on the behind-the-scenes posturing.
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06-29-2007, 11:50 AM | #47 |
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Wait, the Preds are going to be playing in KC this season? I thought the Penguins moved there? I was all set to see Sid the Kid in a KC Penguins jersey in High-Def on my market-leading PS3 this fall...
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The buyout is for $27 million dollars. It appears that the NHL is not in favor of that move because it wouldn't look good, but it is an option in any year of their lease........... http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....15024/-1/RSS05 Quote:
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The Predators are going to move to KC and it's going to be like pulling the out of a black hole and dumping them into the middle of the desert. No one is really going to care. If the team moved to Canada, at least it might have some actual fans, but at this point and you're in KC and you care about hockey, aren't you already a Blues fan? I don't see that much unused capacity for hockey fans in Missouri, but maybe that's just me.
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