If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

A way too early GOP primary poll has DeSantis and Trump tied in New Hampshire.

I think that the weaker Biden looks, the worst that is for Trump in a primary. If Biden looks beatable, then GOP primary voters are going to focus more on trumps general election problems. If it looked like Biden was going to win the general no matter what, then I could see Trump supporters giving him the nomination is kind of a general FU to the system.

I've been saying for a while I think DeSantis wins the GOP nomination. From speaking to my wife's family and browsing some conservative subreddits he's gaining a lot of steam. Trump's cult would bail on him in a heartbeat if DeSantis looks like the stronger candidate and I think he will be as we get closer to 2024.

[Lathum]

DeSantis realizes popularity isn’t a shot policy it's about fighting a culture war and doing as much hateful shit to the other side as you can.

[GrantDawg]

Let's see what happens when Desantis has the whole media's focus on him 24/7.

[JPhillips]

Let's see what happens when Trump starts to Little Marco him. If Trump runs, I doubt DeSantis does because he knows he'll be risking all of his future ambitions.

And then there's the high chance that Trump loses and keeps 10-15% of the GOP from going to the polls for the GOP candidate.

[Ksyrup]

So much this!

This. This is why this Republican Party can’t be saved. Rusty Bowers, one of yesterday’s heroes, said today he’d still vote for Trump if Trump is the nominee in 2024. Bowers acknowledged Trump illegally tried to steal the election, and yet he’d STILL vote for him again. Fuck.�� https://t.co/dZGkyb1f7a

— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) June 22, 2022

[flere-imsaho]

Joe Walsh, hard-right Tea Party darling, who once said he'd support funding for a border moat filled with alligators and also said that abortion is never medically necessary, is the voice of reason of the Republican Party.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

DeSantis realizes popularity isn’t a shot policy it's about fighting a culture war and doing as much hateful shit to the other side as you can.

Exactly. He is one of the smarter politicians on that side of the aisle. Realizes those voters care nothing about policy and would eat their own shit if it meant other people had to eat a worse pile of shit.

I still think DeSantis on paper looks much better to Republicans than in an actual race with an actual opponent who is willing to punch back. He's never been in a tough campaign and Trump would destroy him once he set his ire on him.

[RainMaker]

I also think a smart Dem operative would be pushing out stories about how tough DeSantis looks and how they are more concerned with facing him. Getting Trump to go after DeSantis is what their goal should be.

[Ksyrup]

That seems to be about 3 steps too much strategy for the Dems to handle, I think.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I also think a smart Dem operative would be pushing out stories about how tough DeSantis looks and how they are more concerned with facing him. Getting Trump to go after DeSantis is what their goal should be.

Trump doesn't need any encouragement from the Dems to go after DeathSantis. Anyone he perceives as a threat or dares to have a difference of opinion with him is immediately thrown under the bus and attacked. Just look at the dozens and dozens of his former cabinet members and advisors.

[Ksyrup]

Nevada GOP chairman was visited by the FBI who took his cellphone as part of its investigation into the fake elector scheme.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Nevada GOP chairman was visited by the FBI who took his cellphone as part of its investigation into the fake elector scheme.

yeah DOJ subpoened at least two of the people involved today

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Joe Walsh, hard-right Tea Party darling, who once said he'd support funding for a border moat filled with alligators and also said that abortion is never medically necessary, is the voice of reason of the Republican Party.

I was reeeeeeeally hoping this wasn't the same as Life's Been Good guitarist/singer. And it is not.

[GrantDawg]

Gaetz and Brooks both have requested blanket immunity to testify before the committee. Wonder why they need that?

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Gaetz and Brooks both have requested blanket immunity to testify before the committee. Winder why they need that?

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If they're confident they have good info I'd be willing to give it to them. Anything that shrinks Trump's support and has him turning on other MAGA politicians is a good thing. They need to continue to close his circle of supporters in on him. Let him sit in a room with Rudy, Meadows, and the my pillow guy and plot on how to get out of this.

[GrantDawg]

I misread that. They asked for blanket pardons from Trump. Gaetz started asking for a blanket pardon in early December. It is strange how innocent people who claimed they were doing lawful acts were begging for pardons.

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I misread that. They asked for blanket pardons from Trump. Gaetz started asking for a blanket pardon in early December. It is strange how innocent people who claimed they were doing lawful acts were begging for pardons.

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I'm catching up on today's hearing and this one seems like it may have been the most significant as far as evidence and testimony goes. Today clearly outlined that this was a coup attempt with multiple different paths attempted.

[Atocep]

Trump pushed for Sidney Powell to be a special counsel to investigate the election fraud claims.

[RainMaker]

Another weird aspect in retrospect is how these people felt they needed pardons not knowing that the Biden DOJ would not pursue anyone of importance for the crimes they committed.

[Atocep]

The DOJ searched Jeffrey Clark's home today.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I misread that. They asked for blanket pardons from Trump. Gaetz started asking for a blanket pardon in early December. It is strange how innocent people who claimed they were doing lawful acts were begging for pardons.

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The easy explanation is that they knew the Dems would push for political criminal charges and they were right because the J6 committee is exactly what they were afraid of. I'm sure that's going to be the play.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The easy explanation is that they knew the Dems would push for political criminal charges and they were right because the J6 committee is exactly what they were afraid of. I'm sure that's going to be the play.

There will be no criminal charges. The J6 committee is just a political show.

[BYU 14]

What then is the point of this? We know full well that if everyone just skates on this, we can kiss an already faltering democracy goodbye. No charges will just embolden people to finish the job they tried to do on January 6th next time the opportunity presents itself.

Do you think that committee and this admin, which is already floundering aimlessly are okay with that being how history remembers them?

[thesloppy]

Counterpoint: has this administration shown they can do anything besides flounder against their intentions?

[Lathum]

Biden and Garland are so terrified of coming across as partisan that they would rather let our democracy be destroyed.

[RainMaker]

Bannon does have a point here. Seems like selective prosecution.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...d-e7c3c4890000

[RainMaker]

Also looks like Giuliani filed a false police report and cops played along.

[Thomkal]

Jan 6 has announced a previously not scheduled hearing tomorrow at 1 pm ET. They have not announced who the witness are and several members of the Committee have come back in town for it. Very intriguing.



Possibilities of Pat Cippoline, the Trump lawyer they practically begged to testify publically, Ginny Thomas, or Alex Holder, the documentary film maker who filmed Trump and family after jan 6.


Edit: Or a mystery guest they did not want Trump to know about-Mo Brooks perhaps, or someone who had refused to testify until now

[GrantDawg]

It could really be anybody, but my bet is on Alex Holder. They found something in the tapes they want out immediately is my guess.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It could really be anybody, but my bet is on Alex Holder. They found something in the tapes they want out immediately is my guess.

yeah that's posible. Ali alexander has been posting that he was in front of a grand jury on jan 6 this week too

[Flasch186]

I’m betting Cippolone after a granting of immunity


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[Ksyrup]

I'm guessing the documentary guy with a clip of Trump speaking out of his ass about how he knows he lost. He's just stupid enough and narcissistic enough to brag about it.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm guessing the documentary guy with a clip of Trump speaking out of his ass about how he knows he lost. He's just stupid enough and narcissistic enough to brag about it.

I could definitely see this.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

yeah that's posible. Ali alexander has been posting that he was in front of a grand jury on jan 6 this week too

That would be my guess. Probably which Reps and Senators he was communicating with.

[albionmoonlight]

[JPhillips]

Might be Mo Brooks. He's awfully pissed that Trump abandoned him.

[Thomkal]

Saw some rumblings tonight that senior staff on the Committee even were not told who is testifying and one guy saying its lawyers and others.

[Thomkal]

Looking right now its going to be Cassidy Hutchinson, senior aide to Mark Meadows, who we've seen a bit of in past couple hearings. When I wake up, it might be someone different

[Lathum]

Better be someone different. Wont move the needle at all.

[RainMaker]

Washington Post saying the secrecy is because of credible threats in her life.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Better be someone different. Wont move the needle at all.

Until we see what she is testifying, hard to say that yet

[Ksyrup]

Trump started his Presidency caring about the size of his inauguration crowd and ended it caring about the size of his insurrection crowd - to the point where he wanted to remove metal detectors so all his armed fans could be in the photo shoot because "they aren't here to hurt me." And he was livid that the photo of the crowd was so small because so many people refused to pass through the detectors.

But per Tucker, not a single person was armed...

[RainMaker]

Holy shit

[kingfc22]

Cowards. All of them are COWARDS!

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Holy shit

Yes that is crazy.

[Ksyrup]

The one thing I don't like here is they are mixing in way too much hearsay and it weakens the testimony, IMO. She was privvy to direct conversations or overheard/saw certain things, but then she relays the story of Trump going after someone in the motorcade for refusing to let him go to the Capitol and she's relaying 100% hearsay. I don't doubt it's true, but there should be some corroboration (which I hope is coming) if they are going to have her testify about stuff like that.

[Atocep]

So Trump was basically acknowledging that they were there to possibly hurt someone yet demanded they be allowed to March on the capital.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The one thing I don't like here is they are mixing in way too much hearsay and it weakens the testimony, IMO. She was privvy to direct conversations or overheard/saw certain things, but then she relays the story of Trump going after someone in the motorcade for refusing to let him go to the Capitol and she's relaying 100% hearsay. I don't doubt it's true, but there should be some corroboration (which I hope is coming) if they are going to have her testify about stuff like that.

This is not hearsay.

[RainMaker]

He assaulted a secret service agent too which is wild.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This is not hearsay.

The entire story about what happened in the motorcade was relayed to her by someone else. That is hearsay. She properly testified about other things she directly heard or saw, which is fine. But they kept weaving hearsay in and out of that stuff.

That is why Cheney had her say that the person told her that story in front of someone else who was there, and that second person did not dispute or correct the story. She saw/heard none of that first-hand.