If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't know where to put this, but interesting. Correlation isn't causation and all of that.

It is fascinating isn't it? You can literally point to the start of the Reagan administration as to when America started going downhill. pic.twitter.com/ay7cygcg2e
— John Thornton (@JohnT15) July 13, 2022

Wait? So you mean the actor brought in to be the salesperson for the policies of the rich really screwed the rest of us?

SI

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Wait? So you mean the actor brought in to be the salesperson for the policies of the rich really screwed the rest of us?

SI

The war on drugs was a colossal failure in every way imaginable. I don't think the negative impact can even be measured its so far reaching and still having a major societal impact today.

[JPhillips]

Still waiting for someone to put a name behind the accusations that Hutchinson was lying.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Still waiting for someone to put a name behind the accusations that Hutchinson was lying.

All the anonymous sources who were totally going to come forward and testify. All the gullible idiots who bought into that.

[RainMaker]

What a coincidence.

The Secret Service erased text messages from January 6 shortly after oversight officials requested the agency’s electronic communications.

You bet we have questions. https://t.co/svszGxnhyx

— Citizens for Ethics (@CREWcrew) July 15, 2022

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

All the anonymous sources who were totally going to come forward and testify. All the gullible idiots who bought into that.

Well, since the SS can't be trusted, apparently there's a DC cop who can corroborate her story. Not sure if it's the story that she was told what happened, or who actually witnessed the limo incident.

[Thomkal]

Bannon's trial starts today and what do you know they were able to find jurors in DC who haven't listened to the Jan 6 Hearings. Judge wants 22 in the pool, have 17 so far. Thought for sure Bannon would "come down" with the flu or COVID, but maybe he's saving that for the actual trial

[Lathum]

Garland should do his fucking job or be replaced. What an utter failure and disappointment.

[PilotMan]

They're being very careful and measured.

Meanwhile, trump was our there already saying he'll just investigate everyone and put them behind bars and win to avoid any prosecution.

Yet, they are both the same.

[Galaril]

So now they are saying the text are permanently gone and the National Archive is referring agents for criminal prosecution.

[Kodos]

I guess they are in effect taking a bullet for their President.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Galaril

So now they are saying the text are permanently gone and the National Archive is referring agents for criminal prosecution.

Biden is incredibly dumb if he doesn't overhaul the Secret Service immediately. The people who are supposed to protect you being criminals for a guy who is crazy is not safe.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Biden is incredibly dumb if he doesn't overhaul the Secret Service immediately. The people who are supposed to protect you being criminals for a guy who is crazy is not safe.

Definitely need some major changes.

[albionmoonlight]

In my experience, the more popular a government agency is, the more corrupt it tends to be. Because nobody gains political points by investigating it. Which is why things like public defenders offices tend to be run really cleanly because if a penny goes out of place, everyone jumps on it. And things like police departments tend to end up having corruption because the media and politicians don’t want to go after them. All of which is to say that the Secret Service is one of the most popular government agencies out there. So I suspect that we are going to learn a lot of pretty bad things if they really do start a formal and thorough investigation.

[Thomkal]

Bannon trial will have laster longer than the jury will need to convict him after his lawyer calls no witnesses and Bannon does not give testimony (except from the courthouse stairs) Looks like jury gets the case tomorrow.

[NobodyHere]

And didn't the prosecution only call 2 witnesses?

[RainMaker]

There isn't really much of a case. You prove he got the subpoena and that's it. Not really sure what the defense can be. Law is pretty well established.

[Ksyrup]

I read that they were pushing the idea that the committee kept open communication and offered him to come in for testimony well after the deadline, suggesting it was a moving target and not a drop dead date by action.

[Lathum]

they are counting on one MAGA being on the jury

[Ksyrup]

NEW SONG PARODY pic.twitter.com/zLBwK60AH4

— Roy Zimmerman (@IamRoyZimmerman) July 20, 2022

[Atocep]

Seeing the violence always hits hard. Pence's security detail calling family to tell them they love them because they didn't think they were going to make it out is crazy.

[PilotMan]

Honestly, if nothing comes of this, and by nothing, I mean, no very serious charges and convictions at the top, then there never will be, from anyone in the future. There will be no limit to what can be attempted until someone succeeds and then the laws will cease to matter, because all will be lost.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Honestly, if nothing comes of this, and by nothing, I mean, no very serious charges and convictions at the top, then there never will be, from anyone in the future. There will be no limit to what can be attempted until someone succeeds and then the laws will cease to matter, because all will be lost.

Love her or hate her, Cheney gets this more than anyone and has totally thrown herself on the sword.

You can hate her policy, but she quite possibly may go down in history as the person who saves democracy.

[PilotMan]

Don't say it PM, don't say it PM don't say it PM......

{might be the only good thing to come out of Dick Cheney}

Fuck....I still hate her, but at least she's drawn a line in the sand and held her ground. It shows integrity, and I admire integrity.

[bronconick]

The footage of Josh Hawley running away from the insurrectionists after he raised his fists in solidarity is hilarious. Showing it again in Slo-
Mo is priceless.

[Thomkal]

Yeah so glad they highlighted Hawley like that-he's been pretty unscathed in the hearings so far.



Like a lot of us, there's not much I like about Liz Cheney's politics, but if she does lose re-election, I hope President Biden can find somewhere in the White House or his staff that would not go too much against her beliefs/politics. I think her voice still needs to be heard and not just fade away.

[flere-imsaho]

I imagine she'll do whatever it is that Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, and Tim Pawlenty have been doing since the GOP discarded them.

(Likely, in their minds, waiting for the GOP's Trump "fever dream" to subside so they can come back to the national stage.)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bronconick

The footage of Josh Hawley running away from the insurrectionists after he raised his fists in solidarity is hilarious. Showing it again in Slo-
Mo is priceless.

I love the way the room erupted with laughter.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I imagine she'll do whatever it is that Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, and Tim Pawlenty have been doing since the GOP discarded them.

(Likely, in their minds, waiting for the GOP's Trump "fever dream" to subside so they can come back to the national stage.)

I don't know if I'd say this about Pawlenty, but it was definitely the fever dream that Ryan and Walker helped create/lead

SI

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Yeah so glad they highlighted Hawley like that-he's been pretty unscathed in the hearings so far.



Like a lot of us, there's not much I like about Liz Cheney's politics, but if she does lose re-election, I hope President Biden can find somewhere in the White House or his staff that would not go too much against her beliefs/politics. I think her voice still needs to be heard and not just fade away.

They are making fun of him so hard, they are making me nervous. Usually when people pick on white nationalist enough the grab an AR-15 and shoot a bunch of children to prove they are men.


As for Liz, foreign policy jobs can be bi-partisan. I think she might have a penchant for invading Middle Eastern countries for invented reasons like her father, though.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by bronconick

The footage of Josh Hawley running away from the insurrectionists after he raised his fists in solidarity is hilarious. Showing it again in Slo-
Mo is priceless.

Originally Posted by Lathum

I love the way the room erupted with laughter.

I finally watched this, OMG, priceless and what a pussy! If anybody deserved to have their lack of t4estosterone called out more, I can't think of them right now.

[Ksyrup]

I'm more concerned that Hawley would push hard for criminalizing this entire process once GOP is back in charge (in a few months) and generally aligning with Trump on turning the entire federal government into a far right ecosystem by purging career workers to ensure any crazy thing they want to do will be met with no resistance. Picking on/shaming someone like Hawley can backfire when they have power. Frankly, he can help to do far more damage without a gun.

[BYU 14]

Dola, regardless of anything they have, or haven't done in the past, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are heroes, that history will remember kindly!

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm more concerned that Hawley would push hard for criminalizing this entire process once GOP is back in charge (in a few months) and generally aligning with Trump on turning the entire federal government into a far right ecosystem by purging career workers to ensure any crazy thing they want to do will be met with no resistance. Picking on/shaming someone like Hawley can backfire when they have power. Frankly, he can help to do far more damage without a gun.

I get this, but in general, I think it's more effective to make the fascists into clowns rather than super-villains. Plenty of people want to follow the super-villain, but far fewer want to follow the clown.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They are making fun of him so hard, they are making me nervous. Usually when people pick on white nationalist enough the grab an AR-15 and shoot a bunch of children to prove they are men.


As for Liz, foreign policy jobs can be bi-partisan. I think she might have a penchant for invading Middle Eastern countries for invented reasons like her father, though.

Yeah Jeff Flake is an Ambassador now I think, could be a good place for her to end up (and not inventing reasons for invading them)

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I get this, but in general, I think it's more effective to make the fascists into clowns rather than super-villains. Plenty of people want to follow the super-villain, but far fewer want to follow the clown.

I think this is far more likely to be a Dukakis moment than a MAGA supervillain origin story.

[Thomkal]

Bannon trial is in the hands of the jury as of about 10 mins ago

[Lathum]

They should be back already.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Plenty of people want to follow the super-villain, but far fewer want to follow the clown.

That seems to be old-guard, conventional wisdom. There are even bigger clowns that have a more rabid following than Hawley, so...

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

They should be back already.

It's lunchtime. Let's convict this moron. But first, we eat!

[Ksyrup]

HA!

We are coming, ya'll!!! Keep your eyes peeled for registration information soon. #HawlinHawley pic.twitter.com/Oc3TclTMRb

— Missouri Democrats (@MoDemParty) July 22, 2022

[Thomkal]

And just predicted by many legal pundits, jury got a free lunch then didn't want to come back after the weekend, verdict is in

[NobodyHere]

You would have to think a short verdict is bad for Bannon.

[RainMaker]

I know juries can be a crapshoot but it's really not a complex case. You get a subpoena and have to appear. Kind of a staple of the justice system.

[Thomkal]

Guilty on both counts

[RainMaker]

So what happens now? Does he just go home with a "L" on his record?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So what happens now? Does he just go home with a "L" on his record?

Sentencing Hearing is on OCT 21

[Lathum]

Does anyone actually think Bannon is going to serve a minute of time?

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So what happens now? Does he just go home with a "L" on his record?

Immediate pardon from trump. Doesn't matter who is the president is, he'll 'invoke' it.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That seems to be old-guard, conventional wisdom. There are even bigger clowns that have a more rabid following than Hawley, so...

It's clownish in a way that doesn't resonate with the MAGA base. It reminds me of how Trump lost faith in Sean Spicer after seeing him played by a woman on SNL.