If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Yeah, but it has all but eliminated several defenses. If you or I got raided, it likely wouldn't be after weeks/months of wrangling, they would just come and get the shit. And I'd say, "Damn, I didn't even know that was there!" Bending over backwards for Trump makes it impossible for him to make that kind of argument.

I think it is clear his supporters don't care about that. They are being fed he was cooperating and the feds decided to do a rogue political stunt. If and when he is arrested, which I would imagine is the goal of the DOJ, otherwise why go through all this, there was always going to be civil unrest because there is no reasoning or use of logic with his supporters. So many people are waiting for the tipping point where his supporters finally have a come to jesus about who and what he is and that is never going to happen.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think it is clear his supporters don't care about that. They are being fed he was cooperating and the feds decided to do a rogue political stunt. If and when he is arrested, which I would imagine is the goal of the DOJ, otherwise why go through all this, there was always going to be civil unrest because there is no reasoning or use of logic with his supporters. So many people are waiting for the tipping point where his supporters finally have a come to jesus about who and what he is and that is never going to happen.

I'm not really worried about his followers. I want him crippled from being able to run as GOP but still do enough to antagonize the GOP.

The fact that they bent over backwards does give a lot of latitude in court that they tried to accommodate but were rebuffed, the fact that Trump's lawyers signed off on everything being removed and then finding it wasn't really screws that legal team. The GOP isn't going to pay for any more legal services for Trump so now his donations will go directly to the legal team on his own.

Trumpanzees are a stupid lot, but I don't think they'll do much anymore they were thwarted by their own stupidity on January 6th, they got reamed on mask mandates, they are a stupid bunch and I think most Americans just want a sense of stability and normalcy.

[Ksyrup]

Exactly. I'm way beyond caring what his supporters think.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Every 5-7 years depending on how deep the backlog is at the time. A friend of mine was denied a renewed clearance because he posted pro-marijuana stuff on a blog. My ex wife was denied hers because she said she drank wine once or twice a week and that qualified as binge drinking by their definition.

It's particularly painful when you're active duty because they want addresses for friends/contacts and when you're AD most of those friends and contacts move every 2 years or so and its difficult to keep up. I had to do two follow ups I'm person to clarify answers to some questions and part of maintaining a clearance when working for the NSA requires passing a lie detector.

He and his friends definitely have some funny stories around the lie detector test.

[JPhillips]

No wonder Trump can't find any real attorneys.

sir as your attorney I advise you to keep posting pic.twitter.com/n54ExkDfkx

— kilgore trout, death to putiner (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 31, 2022

[albionmoonlight]

The DOJ’s case against him for keeping documents sloppily on the floor is falling apart as we speak. But they still might be able to get a conviction with the selling secrets to the Russians and getting our spies killed stuff.

[albionmoonlight]

Also, the expert troll move of putting that picture in the filing knowing that he was going to blab about it was great.

[albionmoonlight]

We have every reason to think that DOJ is still actively pursuing a J6 criminal investigation, too.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

No wonder Trump can't find any real attorneys.

sir as your attorney I advise you to keep posting pic.twitter.com/n54ExkDfkx

— kilgore trout, death to putiner (@KT_So_It_Goes) August 31, 2022

I had not seen this quote yet. HAHAHAHAHHA

This guy always admitting to crimes. Can we please put him behind bars already.

[Lathum]

Trump filed their reply to the DOJ. No where in there does it say he declassified the documents. As usual they will scream it everywhere they can but won't ever legally challenge it because they know it isn't true.

[GrantDawg]

They did say he, as President is allowed to have these Presidential documents under the Presidential Records Act. Except he is not the President, and that is not at all what the Presidential Record Act says.

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[JPhillips]

Trump has the worst fucking lawyers.

Habba: I’m somebody who has been in his office.. I have firsthand knowledge. I have never seen that. That is not the way his office looks.. He has guests frequently there.

[RainMaker]

His lawyers are remarkably bad.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

His lawyers are remarkably bad.

Indeed.

Trump attorney Alina Habba is upset that the DOJ and FBI are looking into "mundane" crimes like "espionage" at Mar-a-Lago.

"They found these three mundane statutes: espionage and the two others." pic.twitter.com/peZFuGes6A

— David Edwards (@DavidEdwards) August 31, 2022

[Atocep]

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/stat...25192865611777

This twitter thread goes over the DOJ filing and it really sounds like he's going to be charged at some point.

[RainMaker]

I just don't see it happening. The whole reason Republicans liked Garland is because he won't go after them. The guy got popular in those circles for looking the other way during the OKC investigation.

[PilotMan]

There just can't be any other option here. There are multiple crimes and the evidence can't be any clearer.

[Ksyrup]

Yeah, you either bury this in a confidential investigation with an ending summary that there were no crimes that could be charged, or you do something like this, where there's so much out there that you can't not charge him.

My thought is that this is the equivalent to getting Capone for tax evasion. Rather than the messiness of January 6, take him down for something way more straight forward, clean, and easy to explain/understand.

[albionmoonlight]

There's a decent chance that Trump would have skated on this had he shut up. Remember, before he started losing his mind, we all thought/assumed that this records dispute with the Archives was something involving anodyne papers. I think that DOJ would have gone in, gotten the stuff to protect national security, and then hushed it up. The norms against going after political opponents are *strong.*

But then Trump basically started telling people to go after FBI agents (BIG NO NO in DOJ World). And he kept lying about the case (BIG NO NO in DOJ World). And by constantly making court filings arguing that there is nothing there, he has forced/allowed the DOJ to respond with "Actually, there's SO MUCH here."

And now that Trump has forced all of this out into the open, I think (don't know, but think) that they *have* to bring charges on this. Maybe not for a while, but before 2024.

[JPhillips]

The FBI didn't publicize the warrant or the raid, that was all Trump. I think you're right that they would have been happy to let all of this play out without any publicity.

[GrantDawg]

Can I suggest a possible counterpoint? Is it possible that Trump went very public with the full court press on this because he knew what the DOJ found in that search and he knew he was in big trouble? I think it is very possible that he really believed he could lie his way out this and there would be no way the DOJ would seek a search warrant. Lie and delay is his go to in everything, but he didnt expect the DOJ to actually call his bluff.


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[Lathum]

Put me in the camp that thinks they have to bring charges against him at this point. I still don't think he does a second in jail, but NOT charging him at this point politicizes it in the opposite direction by making him a martyr. .

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Put me in the camp that thinks they have to bring charges against him at this point. I still don't think he does a second in jail, but NOT charging him at this point politicizes it in the opposite direction by making him a martyr. .

I agree with both of these

SI

[PilotMan]

I said in 2016 that trump and Burlusconi were cut from the same cloth. They are both raving, crime ridden, narcissists.

He's a guy who ran the country, had numerous legal problems that he wiggled out of but the list was incredible. Something like 32 according to Wiki...he comes out of all that, gets elected again and legal problems still follow him. He eventually is convicted, finally, on tax fraud, and does a year of a 4 year sentence in prison.

He's still all over the news, won't go away, and is constantly in trouble, yet, he's still a man of the people with some support.

trump is still following this path. It's quite possible he continues to follow it.

[CrimsonFox]

Access Denied

Trump's boyfriend pushed a guy out of his hospital window.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Can I suggest a possible counterpoint? Is it possible that Trump went very public with the full court press on this because he knew what the DOJ found in that search and he knew he was in big trouble? I think it is very possible that he really believed he could lie his way out this and there would be no way the DOJ would seek a search warrant. Lie and delay is his go to in everything, but he didnt expect the DOJ to actually call his bluff.


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I think that makes it a little more thought out than it was. I think that he's more of an instinctive guy. He thrives in chaos. It makes other people wrongfooted, but he's happy in that world.

So I think that he instinctively felt the pressure coming and just decided to turn everything maximum crazy-pants. Because that's always worked for him.

So far, DOJ is not joining him there.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I think that makes it a little more thought out than it was. I think that he's more of an instinctive guy. He thrives in chaos. It makes other people wrongfooted, but he's happy in that world.

So I think that he instinctively felt the pressure coming and just decided to turn everything maximum crazy-pants. Because that's always worked for him.

So far, DOJ is not joining him there.

I think my view is instinctive for him as well. Learned behavior is to lie and delay because that almost always worked for him in the past. Actually, to him it is not lying. A what a narcissist creates in his mind becomes his reality. When someone (in this case the DOJ) acts contrary to his mental reality, he loses it. Just like a I really do believe he sees "Presidential Records Act" and thinks that means the president owns the records. And he searched until he found a lawyer willing to make that argument in court.

[GrantDawg]

Leaving this without commentary:\

The Park Avenue apartment of Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg has been searched by the FBI and Homeland Security Investigations. An address in the Hamptons associated with Vekselbergis also being sourced, sources told @ABC

— Aaron Katersky (@AaronKatersky) September 1, 2022

[GrantDawg]

And three in a row, circle gets the square: It sounds awfully like the judge is going to rule in Trump's favor.

JUST OUT OF COURT:

Judge Aileen Cannon says she’ll decide on a special master in due course. But by her questions, she sounded skeptical of the government’s arguments against appointing one.

— Steven Portnoy (@stevenportnoy) September 1, 2022

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And three in a row, circle gets the square: It sounds awfully like the judge is going to rule in Trump's favor.



lmao

[PilotMan]

yeah, it's funny because it's totally moot at this point.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

yeah, it's funny because it's totally moot at this point.

Depends on the ruling. She is basically suggesting that Trump might qualify for Executive Privilege even though he is no longer President. If that survives appeals that might turn this whole thing on its head, not to mention send even the January 6th investigation spinning. I don't think it will survive appeals even as bad as the Supreme Court has twisted, but who knows anymore. We have to see the ruling, which my guess will come out at Midnight Friday.

[JPhillips]

Another exhibit for the Trump lawyers are terible file.

Trump attorney Alina Habba briefly undercuts Trump's legal defense that he declassified all of the documents at Mar-a-Lago, saying, "I don't have clearance to touch or go through classified documents."

She then corrects herself: "These were declassified, is my understanding." pic.twitter.com/7pxts43ebZ

— The Recount (@therecount) September 1, 2022

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

There just can't be any other option here. There are multiple crimes and the evidence can't be any clearer.

Yeah, but we've been saying this since 2015.

[Ksyrup]

Some of items seized in the Mar-a-Lago search were empty.

43 *empty* folders with “CLASSIFIED” banners

28 *empty* folders labeled “return to staff secretary/military aide” pic.twitter.com/viW8IgOc4H

— Roger Sollenberger (@SollenbergerRC) September 2, 2022

[flere-imsaho]

This is now one of the more serious intelligence leaks in U.S. history.

Edit: Especially if it turns out some of these documents leaking led directly to the compromise of American and allied intelligence assets.

[Lathum]

So is this like a " the docs were never in the folders" situation or a "the docs were in there and are now missing" situation?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So is this like a " the docs were never in the folders" situation or a "the docs were in there and are now missing" situation?

It could be something, or it could be nothing. Quoting a security expert:

But because those folders are often reused, one source familiar with these kinds of documents cautioned that merely finding an empty folder is not necessarily an indication that any of the information it previously contained has been mishandled.
"Empty folders raise questions, but were they empty and without descriptive info?" this person said. "Putting a cover sheet on a folder and carrying it with multiple docs inside is often done. Akin to finding cover sheets, which are often laying around in classified environments and in and of themselves not an issue."

[GrantDawg]

Don't you hate when Bill Barr is right about something?

Fox’s Roberts: “Is there any legitimate reason for those materials to be in the former president’s possession?”

Bill Barr: “No … If, in fact, he stood over scores of boxes ... and said, ‘I hereby declassify everything in here,’ … it's almost worse than taking the documents.” pic.twitter.com/F264savP4R

— The Recount (@therecount) September 2, 2022

[Lathum]

Bill Barr is shredding trump...

[stevew]

I wonder what gutters he will be pulling the members of his next administration from.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by stevew

I wonder what gutters he will be pulling the members of his next administration from.

From Russia

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

From Russia

No, no - in 2024. Not like the last 3 years and change of his previous administration.

EDIT: And it's not like his 2017 cabinet was good. There were all sorts of bullshit saboteurs like Ryan Zinke, Betsy De Vos, Scott Pruitt, and Rick Perry who were put in charge of departments they wanted to destroy (or, in Perry's case, couldn't remember which one he wanted to destroy) . But there were a handful of your run-of-the-mill-ish mostly partisan political appointees like Mattis, Tillerson, and even Jeff Sessions (I mean, geez, John Ashcroft got that post under Bush). After the first round, though, it was loyalty and loyalty alone that mattered.

SI

[Ksyrup]

I don't know where they are going to come from, but they will make sure he is still in office in 2030.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

From Russia

With Love

[Qwikshot]

Yes I watched the PA rally because I'm in PA (I got married in Wilkes Barre).

Typical wounded Trump speak, but maybe a missed a bunch of it because it did seem short.

The aggrieved bullshit reminds me what bullies do. I don't find Oz or Mastriano compelling candidates. I've only seen one Oz sign in my town, a lot of Fetterman signs.

With the abortion issues along with the weakest candidates I've seen, it looks to sadly while it'll be close (because Pennsyltucky) for governor, I think Oz is viewed as an outsider by even the most insular Trumpanzee voters. I have hope that moderate Republicans will scoff at him and actually are okay with Fetterman because he "looks like them" and I think he thinks like them too (He does tell it like it is) whereas Oz is just full of shit.

I only wish Trump dies soon because if he can make it to 2024, he will run, he has no other option to and he will spout bullshit lie upon bullshit lie (i.e. I loved how he brought up COVID during the rally and stated that more died in 2022 than 2021, as if it were in a vacuum. And that France is a big country and they got all their paper voting done in one night...France has about 67 million people vs 264 in the US and I believe we have multiple time zones, but don't let the truth come out...btw what Trumpanzee is okay with what France does anyway...but there is Trump spouting it).

I also loved how Trump lied that the owner of Johnson and Johnson was at the rally...I did a check on this, and while he is a scion he isn't the owner. More bullshit...but Trump needs to lie that companies support him and leaders support him...the problem is Trumpanzees cannot face the truth that he's full of shit.

And this brings me again to what is the endgame for Trumpanzees? I know Trump needs to win because he can then fire anyone linked to investigating him, he can become a dictator, that is his goal...make no bones about it. His sycophants will enable him because they think they can get a piece of the pie.

But his voters...they know they get nothing right? Do they think that by voting him back in they can get this vision of the US that is beyond exitance? Is it really to kill/eliminate all minorities? Is it really to subjugate all women? Is it really the Judeo-Christian ethos to be instilled to all Americans (I would think most Trumpanzees hate Jews, they are predominantly evangelicals).

I just feel that if Trump wins again, there will be at some point a Rwandan type massacre here. Probably not nationwide, but liberal types will be singled out and executed. Trump will consolidate his base and hold on until he dies on the toilet shitting out remnants of his McDonald's.

Then we get Don Jr.

[whomario]

This picture says so much (and is way to big to embed ):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbz76W4WIAEa-zg?format=jpg

There's also this:

This “Constitutional Sheriff” stuff is not only bonkers, but also perfectly pitched to fly under the radar of most voters. “He’s a sheriff…who really loves the Constitution? What could be so radical about that?” https://t.co/0g73QilsBT

— Seth Cotlar (@SethCotlar) September 3, 2022

[albionmoonlight]

If the feds searched a normal person’s home and found this stuff, they’d get a warrant for their other properties.

We can assume they haven’t done that with former President Trump b/c he’d be complaining about it on Truth Social.

Which means that DOJ is being very careful about only going into places when they are 99% certain that they will find something.

Which means that they have a very high-placed leaker/informant who flipped on Trump & is working for them. Someone who knows what Trump kept in his safe at MAL.

[JPhillips]

Trump appointed judge after he lost orders a special master in a case where she doesn't have jurisdiction.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump appointed judge after he lost orders a special master in a case where she doesn't have jurisdiction.

And as I said, the Special Master is to weed out not just attorney client privileged but also "Presidential privileged." She is giving a former president privileged.