Werewolf XXV: A long time ago...game over, Sith win,full role listing at 2030 - Page 38

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 04:04 PM

unvote KWhit

Vote Sackattack

Lets see if this changes anyone's play.

SackAttack · 03-10-2006, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

The best thing you got is to parse my statement with "think" versus "know?" Come on, even if we lynch another Jedi tonight there is a chance of us winning which is clearly what I meant. But it will be a slight chance because the numbers are not in our favor at this point.

As I said earlier, I think the numbers are either 6-3 us or 5-4 us.

If it's 6-3 us, it's going to be 5-3 after you lynch me. If you get around Gramm's bodyguard ability, the Jedi will be heading into tomorrow with a 4-3 margin and still no Sith kill.

If it's 5-4, the game is going to end when you lynch me.

It's awfully late in the game to be saying "It's okay to lynch a Jedi because we still have the numbers."

That's a Sith attitude. I'm keeping my vote on you. Hopefully others will join me.

I have to go to work. May the Force be with my fellow true Jedi.

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I need to run. If the votes stay the way they are and I get lynched, this may be my last post in the thread. So I want you guys to remember this post from above when you see that I'm just a Jedi.

The more you keep pushing this idea the more I think you could be a cunning Sith and you are in cahoots with Hoops.

Just let the Death Star shoot us down.

TazFTW · 03-10-2006, 04:06 PM

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

SackAttack · 03-10-2006, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Airport!

See, I have knowledge of movies other than Star Wars.

Working 3-11pm, all. Hopefully I come back to see you guys did the right thing.

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

The more you keep pushing this idea the more I think you could be a cunning Sith and you are in cahoots with Hoops.

Just let the Death Star shoot us down.

With that said, I am keeping my vote on Sack.

TazFTW · 03-10-2006, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Airport!

See, I have knowledge of movies other than Star Wars.

Working 3-11pm, all. Hopefully I come back to see you guys did the right thing.

It's Airplane.

SackAttack · 03-10-2006, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

It's Airplane.

That's what I meant, but I typed that in a hurry because I'm trying to get the hell out of here.

I accept my rebuke.

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 04:17 PM

Updated vote totals as of Post #1858:

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Sack (1845), Penny (1851)

Not voted: Taz

Going into today I definitely distrusted KWhit more than Sack. At this point I think I would go the other way on it but with a 5-2 edge (assuming Gram stays on me) I don't think I need to move my vote.

Also, I'm now on a different candidate than the people that I have the most suspicion of going forward: King and Penny, with Cartman a distant 3rd. If Sack is a Sith they move up my trust list.

The only problem with this theory is if the game ends today with a wrong lynch vote.

SnDvls · 03-10-2006, 04:18 PM

what's the vote count? and who hasn't voted yet?

TazFTW · 03-10-2006, 04:19 PM

My main concern is with how many Sith are out there? If it is a werewolf ratio then we have around 3 or 4 Sith. That means they can have a block vote of 3 or 4, which with the numbers being so low is very powerful at this point in the game.

SnDvls · 03-10-2006, 04:20 PM

hoops you have a vote wrong. I just looked it up Sack didn't vote himself.

SnDvls · 03-10-2006, 04:22 PM

Penny you still like you list of sith?

I believe you had Sack, Kwhit & King...correct?

That means that as it stands now they are voting out one of there own.

saldana · 03-10-2006, 04:22 PM

hoops count is wrong btw, it is currently

sack - 4 - kwhit, cartman, king, penny
kwhit - 3 - sun, sack, hoops
hoops - 1 - gram (i am not allowing his proxy switch...i was a few minutes too late to let him know)

taz still yet to vote

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 04:23 PM

Sack voted KWhit out of self preservation

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

My main concern is with how many Sith are out there? If it is a werewolf ratio then we have around 3 or 4 Sith. That means they can have a block vote of 3 or 4, which with the numbers being so low is very powerful at this point in the game.

That kind of scares me that Sack, Penny and Cartman and Kwhit all voted with me.

Meanwhile Hoops and Sun still have votes on KWhit.

When KWhit was in the lead the votes were spread around more.

Very odd and very Sith-like for the vote to get down to a 1v1 showdown.

UNVOTE SACK
VOTE KWHIT

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 04:24 PM

Oops, have Sack's vote on himself, which is not the case.

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

Not voted: Taz

4-3, much different scenario. Taz, what are your thoughts on these two? Chances are good that if one is a Sith, and we leave it close, that they will try to influence it at the end.

SnDvls · 03-10-2006, 04:24 PM

so with gram "out of the picture" with his vote

Taz becomes the tie vote now or the lynch vote....as it stands now.

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 04:25 PM

Thanks for the catch, all. Internet access here has been a little funky all day, been trying to post the updated list for the last 5-10 minutes.

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 04:27 PM

Updated as of Post #1870 (sorry for confusion):

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

Not voted: Taz

SnDvls · 03-10-2006, 04:27 PM

I don't get why gram would stay on hoops. I think he proved himself through his actions to be pretty trusted, if this comes back to bite us I'm not going to be happy about it.

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 04:27 PM

Ugh, my vote switch was due to Hoops post that the vote count was 5-2.

UNVOTE KWHIT

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 04:28 PM

Damn it!

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845), King (1866)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

No votes: Taz

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Penny you still like you list of distrust?

Fixed it. At this point I'm still sticking with it for the most part. I think KWhit's actions today seem pretty Jedi-ish with trying to leave us with important information in the event he died. So, I guess for now my main suspicions fall on KingFC and Sackattack.

King was the first to vote Sack though, but at the time I'm not sure he knew enough people would jump on the vote to actually lynch Sack. Maybe it was a cover. Maybe I'm just really confused.

SnDvls · 03-10-2006, 04:29 PM

hoops - my vote post was after yours FYI the 1600's were a day ago. hold on a sec I'll tell you what #

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 04:29 PM

And with the unvote, tied 3-3 as of post #1873.

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

No votes: Taz, King

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 04:30 PM

SnDvls, 1804? Will double-check it as well ...

Does anyone else want to take over posting these totals? I'm clearly retarded at this point.

SnDvls · 03-10-2006, 04:30 PM

found it 1792

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 04:31 PM

King, what the hell are you doing? This is very suspicious of you. Especially if Sack turns out to be Sith and you ended up taking your vote off of him.

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 04:33 PM

Penny, I'll take some of the heat for King's vote movement if it was based on my crappy numbers.

SnDvls, confirmed 1792.

As of Post #1879:

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1792), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

No votes: Taz, King

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

King, what the hell are you doing? This is very suspicious of you. Especially if Sack turns out to be Sith and you ended up taking your vote off of him.

The vote count prior to my initial switch to Sack was very spread out. After my change the vote according to Hoops post (I should have tracked it myself) had swung way over to Sack.

A 5-2 vote this late screamed "block vote" for the Sith and that is why I changed back to KWhit. When I saw Saldana's post with the correct number I unvoted and that is where I'm sitting right now.

TazFTW · 03-10-2006, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Oops, have Sack's vote on himself, which is not the case.

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)

Not voted: Taz

4-3, much different scenario. Taz, what are your thoughts on these two? Chances are good that if one is a Sith, and we leave it close, that they will try to influence it at the end.

Well, I just found it weird that 2 of the people that I think are Jedi (SnDvls and Hoops) are voting for KWhit while Sack had 4 votes from unknowns.

At this point, no one has challenged Gramm's reveal. I would then have take Gramm for a Jedi, which sucks since he is voting for someone who I also consider a Jedi.

Sack had 4 unknowns voting for him (before King's unvote) and KWhit having 1 unknown voting. If Sack is a Jedi, then there are 3 that I believe to be Jedi voting for KWhit. If Sack is a Sith then he is voting for KWhit the Jedi (or they could both be Sith).

If Sack is a Jedi then there has to be a Sith voting for him (all the other votes besides Sack's vote I consider are from Jedi).

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

King, what the hell are you doing? This is very suspicious of you. Especially if Sack turns out to be Sith and you ended up taking your vote off of him.

And wasn't it you that suspected KWhit of being a Sith?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

How is KWhit on your "jedi" list? What has he done to earn that compared to what Cartman and I have done to get on your "sith" list?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Distrust:
KWhit (playing a different style game than we're used to, not his usual analysis--claims work has been very busy and hence he hasn't had enough time to play)

KingFC (also very quiet, claims to be normal jedi, has me and cartman on his distrust list which leads me to suspect him since I know I'm jedi and I am 90% sure Cartman is jedi with his voting pattern)

Sackattack (very knowledgable about star wars, posts seem to be very fluffy with star wars knowledge but when you get down to it, they haven't really had any advantageous analysis for the jedi)

So either way we should get a Sith according to you.

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

A 5-2 vote this late screamed "block vote" for the Sith and that is why I changed back to KWhit. When I saw Saldana's post with the correct number I unvoted and that is where I'm sitting right now.

That makes sense. I just want to point out that:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Okay, if we follow this thought process. I know I am a Jedi. I want to believe that Gramm is the bodyguard.

Jedi: Hoops. Taz, SnDvls, King, Kwhit, Gramm

Sith: Penny, Sack, Cartman

Does that mean you think Sack is now a jedi and KWhit is now a sith? I want to hear your answer to this because its going to have an effect on my feelings towards your role in this game.

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

And wasn't it you that suspected KWhit of being a Sith?

So either way we should get a Sith according to you.

As I stated earlier:

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Fixed it. At this point I'm still sticking with it for the most part. I think KWhit's actions today seem pretty Jedi-ish with trying to leave us with important information in the event he died. So, I guess for now my main suspicions fall on KingFC and Sackattack.

You moving your vote off of Sack is suspicious to me because I feel he's sith and like I said above I think KWhit has been pretty jedi-like in his actions today in defending himself. So, to me, you are moving your vote off of a sith and onto a jedi. Thats just my opinion though because I'm not SURE on either of them.

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 04:58 PM

The post you quoted was following KWhit's post #1825. He basically came out and said Hoops,Taz and SnDvls are clear and wanted to build a circle of trust.

I then added that I am a Jedi and Gramm is likely the bodyguard.

That is 5 Jedi right there.

Now KWhit is either a Jedi or a Sith using his knowledge of who has good and evil to his advantage by building trust by calling a Jedi a Jedi this late in the game.

So I put him in my Jedi list and moved my vote to Sack. I think right now I almost want to move my vote to you since I think I am more sure of you being a Sith.

Jedi: Hoops, Taz, SnDvls, King, Gramm

50/50: KWhit, Sack

Sith: Penny, Cartman

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 05:02 PM

VOTE PENNY

I think my numerous moves today have allowed us to gain some knowledge on who is likely Sith and who is not. I want to see if this creates any waves with roughly 3 hours to go before the deadline.

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

So I put him in my Jedi list and moved my vote to Sack. I think right now I almost want to move my vote to you since I think I am more sure of you being a Sith.

Jedi: Hoops, Taz, SnDvls, King, Gramm

50/50: KWhit, Sack

Sith: Penny, Cartman

Well, if thats the way you feel move it to me. You'd just be voting to take out another jedi, but with your play today I'm sure thats exactly what you'd want to do.

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 05:06 PM

Votes as of Post #1888:

KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1792), Sack (1845)
Hoops - Gram (1766)
Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851)
King - Penny (1887)

No votes: Taz

So as of right now it looks like it is coming down to Taz and preventing the Sith from moving anything.

Taz, if you are inclined to go Sack then I'll follow you over there to try and prevent late changes. If you are inclined to go KWhit then we could still be vulnerable to someone being compelled at the end.

TazFTW · 03-10-2006, 05:07 PM

Hoops fires the first shot at KWhit which was then equaled by Cartman voting Sack. SnDvls makes it 2-1 KWhit and that was followed by two votes for Sack (King and KWhit). Sack votes for KWhit which is then responded to by Penny's vote for Sack.

It looks like when the people I consider Jedi starting moving towards KWhit there was a response towards SackAttack.

VOTE KWhit

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Well, if thats the way you feel move it to me. You'd just be voting to take out another jedi, but with your play today I'm sure thats exactly what you'd want to do.

Somebody has to be a Sith.

Hoops - Jedi
Taz - Jedi
SnDvls - Jedi (vote moved)
Gramm - bodyguard
King - Jedi
KWhit - 50/50
Sack - 50/50
Penny - Sith
Cartman - Sith

You say you are a Jedi and that you feel cartman is a Jedi. Tell me who on my list would you move to replace you and cartman as Jedi? Do you think Hoops is Sith? Sndvls? Do you believe Gramm's bodyguard reveal?

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 05:11 PM

UNVOTE PENNY
VOTE KWHIT

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Hoops fires the first shot at KWhit which was then equaled by Cartman voting Sack. SnDvls makes it 2-1 KWhit and that was followed by two votes for Sack (King and KWhit). Sack votes for KWhit which is then responded to by Penny's vote for Sack.

It looks like when the people I consider Jedi starting moving towards KWhit there was a response towards SackAttack.

Good analysis Taz and I think we might pull this one out afterall.

kingfc22 · 03-10-2006, 05:12 PM

Also, I think there is a good chance that KWhit will turn up as the cunning Sith.

TazFTW · 03-10-2006, 05:19 PM

Here is how the voting has gone so far.

Kingfc2 votes KWhit (1748)
TazFTW votes Gramm (1761)
Gramm votes Hoops (1766)
Pennywise votes KWhit (1773)
KWhit votes Kingfc22 (1776)
Hoops votes KWhit (1778)
Cartman votes SackAttack (1780)
SackAttack votes Gramm (1781)
SackAttack unvotes Gramm (1786)
SnDvls votes KWhit (1792)
TazFTW Unvotes Gramm (1804)
Kingfc22 unvotes KWhit (1826)
Kingfc22 votes SackAttack (1826)
KWhit unvotes kingfc22 (1835)
KWhit votes SackAttack (1835)
SackAttack votes KWhit (1845)
Pennywise unvotes KWhit (1851)
Pennywise votes SackAttack (1851)
Kingfc22 unvotes SackAttack (1866)
Kingfc22 votes KWhit (1866)
Kingfc22 unvotes KWhit (1872)
Kingfc22 votes Pennywise (1887)
TazFTW votes KWhit (1890)
Kingfc22 unvotes Pennywise (1892)
Kingfc22 votes KWhit (1892)

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Somebody has to be a Sith.

Hoops - Jedi
Taz - Jedi
SnDvls - Jedi (vote moved)
Gramm - bodyguard
King - Jedi
KWhit - 50/50
Sack - 50/50
Penny - Sith
Cartman - Sith

I, for one, think there are only two sith. A master and an apprentice, so 2 out of Sack, KWhit and you are sith in my mind. I'm not completely sold on Cartman as Jedi, but his voting record of 4 votes in a row for the same player makes me think he's a jedi and playing like a newbie.

pennywisesb · 03-10-2006, 05:24 PM

Whoever is lynched tonight, out of Sack and KWhit, will give us a ton of information for tomorrow which is exciting. I just hope whoever ends up lynched is a sith so we don't have to go into complete panic mode during the next day cycle.

TazFTW · 03-10-2006, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Here is how the voting has gone so far.

Kingfc2 votes KWhit (1748)
TazFTW votes Gramm (1761)
Gramm votes Hoops (1766)
Pennywise votes KWhit (1773)
KWhit votes Kingfc22 (1776)
Hoops votes KWhit (1778)
Cartman votes SackAttack (1780)
SackAttack votes Gramm (1781)
SackAttack unvotes Gramm (1786)
SnDvls votes KWhit (1792)
TazFTW Unvotes Gramm (1804)
Kingfc22 unvotes KWhit (1826)
Kingfc22 votes SackAttack (1826)
KWhit unvotes kingfc22 (1835)
KWhit votes SackAttack (1835)
SackAttack votes KWhit (1845)
Pennywise unvotes KWhit (1851)
Pennywise votes SackAttack (1851)
Kingfc22 unvotes SackAttack (1866)
Kingfc22 votes KWhit (1866)
Kingfc22 unvotes KWhit (1872)
Kingfc22 votes Pennywise (1887)
TazFTW votes KWhit (1890)
Kingfc22 unvotes Pennywise (1892)
Kingfc22 votes KWhit (1892)

Vote count progression:

KWHIT 1
KWHIT 1 GRAMM 1
KWHIT 1 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1
KWHIT 2 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1
KWHIT 2 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 2 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 1 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 1
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 1 SackAttack 2
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 2
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 4
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3
KWHIT 3 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3 Pennywise 1
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3 Pennywise 1
KWHIT 4 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3 Pennywise 0
KWHIT 5 GRAMM 0 HOOPS 1 Kingfc22 0 SackAttack 3 Pennywise 0

hoopsguy · 03-10-2006, 06:00 PM

Stuck at work late at this point, but I have it 5-3-1 with KWhit leading Sack.

Will hit the road in a few minutes, be home with maybe an hour to go before deadline.

Sounds like votes are not moving from Gram, Sack, and KWhit barring a compelled vote, since they are out for the duration.

cartman · 03-10-2006, 06:22 PM

Unvote SackAttack

VOTW KWhit

I was in no way targeting SackAttack with my opening vote. I wanted to get a vote out there, but I wasn't a certain then as I am now about KWhit. The first vote was more of a placeholder than anything else.

Now it's 6-2-1, so there will have to be a lot of Sith movement to put the heat back on SackAttack.

cartman · 03-10-2006, 06:23 PM

duh, that should be VOTE in the post above, not VOTW. Keys are too close together.

03-10-2006, 04:04 PM	#1851
pennywisesb College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California	unvote KWhit Vote Sackattack Lets see if this changes anyone's play. __________________ Myspace Profile

03-10-2006, 04:06 PM	#1854
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

03-10-2006, 04:19 PM	#1861
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	My main concern is with how many Sith are out there? If it is a werewolf ratio then we have around 3 or 4 Sith. That means they can have a block vote of 3 or 4, which with the numbers being so low is very powerful at this point in the game. __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

03-10-2006, 04:22 PM	#1864
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	hoops count is wrong btw, it is currently sack - 4 - kwhit, cartman, king, penny kwhit - 3 - sun, sack, hoops hoops - 1 - gram (i am not allowing his proxy switch...i was a few minutes too late to let him know) taz still yet to vote Last edited by saldana : 03-10-2006 at 04:23 PM.

03-10-2006, 04:23 PM	#1865
pennywisesb College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California	Sack voted KWhit out of self preservation __________________ Myspace Profile

03-10-2006, 04:17 PM	#1859
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Updated vote totals as of Post #1858: KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604) Hoops - Gram (1766) Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Sack (1845), Penny (1851) Not voted: Taz Going into today I definitely distrusted KWhit more than Sack. At this point I think I would go the other way on it but with a 5-2 edge (assuming Gram stays on me) I don't think I need to move my vote. Also, I'm now on a different candidate than the people that I have the most suspicion of going forward: King and Penny, with Cartman a distant 3rd. If Sack is a Sith they move up my trust list. The only problem with this theory is if the game ends today with a wrong lynch vote.

03-10-2006, 04:18 PM	#1860
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	what's the vote count? and who hasn't voted yet?

03-10-2006, 04:20 PM	#1862
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	hoops you have a vote wrong. I just looked it up Sack didn't vote himself.

03-10-2006, 04:22 PM	#1863
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Penny you still like you list of sith? I believe you had Sack, Kwhit & King...correct? That means that as it stands now they are voting out one of there own.

03-10-2006, 04:24 PM	#1867
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Oops, have Sack's vote on himself, which is not the case. KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845) Hoops - Gram (1766) Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851) Not voted: Taz 4-3, much different scenario. Taz, what are your thoughts on these two? Chances are good that if one is a Sith, and we leave it close, that they will try to influence it at the end.

03-10-2006, 04:24 PM	#1868
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	so with gram "out of the picture" with his vote Taz becomes the tie vote now or the lynch vote....as it stands now.

03-10-2006, 04:25 PM	#1869
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Thanks for the catch, all. Internet access here has been a little funky all day, been trying to post the updated list for the last 5-10 minutes.

03-10-2006, 04:27 PM	#1870
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Updated as of Post #1870 (sorry for confusion): KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845) Hoops - Gram (1766) Sack - Cartman (1780), King (1826), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851) Not voted: Taz

03-10-2006, 04:27 PM	#1871
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I don't get why gram would stay on hoops. I think he proved himself through his actions to be pretty trusted, if this comes back to bite us I'm not going to be happy about it.

03-10-2006, 04:27 PM	#1872
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Ugh, my vote switch was due to Hoops post that the vote count was 5-2. UNVOTE KWHIT __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

03-10-2006, 04:28 PM	#1873
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Damn it! KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845), King (1866) Hoops - Gram (1766) Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851) No votes: Taz

03-10-2006, 04:29 PM	#1875
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	hoops - my vote post was after yours FYI the 1600's were a day ago. hold on a sec I'll tell you what #

03-10-2006, 04:29 PM	#1876
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	And with the unvote, tied 3-3 as of post #1873. KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1604), Sack (1845) Hoops - Gram (1766) Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851) No votes: Taz, King

03-10-2006, 04:30 PM	#1877
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	SnDvls, 1804? Will double-check it as well ... Does anyone else want to take over posting these totals? I'm clearly retarded at this point.

03-10-2006, 04:30 PM	#1878
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	found it 1792

03-10-2006, 04:31 PM	#1879
pennywisesb College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California	King, what the hell are you doing? This is very suspicious of you. Especially if Sack turns out to be Sith and you ended up taking your vote off of him. __________________ Myspace Profile

03-10-2006, 04:33 PM	#1880
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Penny, I'll take some of the heat for King's vote movement if it was based on my crappy numbers. SnDvls, confirmed 1792. As of Post #1879: KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1792), Sack (1845) Hoops - Gram (1766) Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851) No votes: Taz, King

03-10-2006, 04:58 PM	#1886
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	The post you quoted was following KWhit's post #1825. He basically came out and said Hoops,Taz and SnDvls are clear and wanted to build a circle of trust. I then added that I am a Jedi and Gramm is likely the bodyguard. That is 5 Jedi right there. Now KWhit is either a Jedi or a Sith using his knowledge of who has good and evil to his advantage by building trust by calling a Jedi a Jedi this late in the game. So I put him in my Jedi list and moved my vote to Sack. I think right now I almost want to move my vote to you since I think I am more sure of you being a Sith. Jedi: Hoops, Taz, SnDvls, King, Gramm 50/50: KWhit, Sack Sith: Penny, Cartman __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

03-10-2006, 05:02 PM	#1887
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	VOTE PENNY I think my numerous moves today have allowed us to gain some knowledge on who is likely Sith and who is not. I want to see if this creates any waves with roughly 3 hours to go before the deadline. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

03-10-2006, 05:06 PM	#1889
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Votes as of Post #1888: KWhit - Hoops (1778), SnDvls (1792), Sack (1845) Hoops - Gram (1766) Sack - Cartman (1780), KWhit (1835), Penny (1851) King - Penny (1887) No votes: Taz So as of right now it looks like it is coming down to Taz and preventing the Sith from moving anything. Taz, if you are inclined to go Sack then I'll follow you over there to try and prevent late changes. If you are inclined to go KWhit then we could still be vulnerable to someone being compelled at the end.

03-10-2006, 05:07 PM	#1890
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Hoops fires the first shot at KWhit which was then equaled by Cartman voting Sack. SnDvls makes it 2-1 KWhit and that was followed by two votes for Sack (King and KWhit). Sack votes for KWhit which is then responded to by Penny's vote for Sack. It looks like when the people I consider Jedi starting moving towards KWhit there was a response towards SackAttack. VOTE KWhit __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

03-10-2006, 05:12 PM	#1893
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Also, I think there is a good chance that KWhit will turn up as the cunning Sith. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

03-10-2006, 05:19 PM	#1894
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Here is how the voting has gone so far. Kingfc2 votes KWhit (1748) TazFTW votes Gramm (1761) Gramm votes Hoops (1766) Pennywise votes KWhit (1773) KWhit votes Kingfc22 (1776) Hoops votes KWhit (1778) Cartman votes SackAttack (1780) SackAttack votes Gramm (1781) SackAttack unvotes Gramm (1786) SnDvls votes KWhit (1792) TazFTW Unvotes Gramm (1804) Kingfc22 unvotes KWhit (1826) Kingfc22 votes SackAttack (1826) KWhit unvotes kingfc22 (1835) KWhit votes SackAttack (1835) SackAttack votes KWhit (1845) Pennywise unvotes KWhit (1851) Pennywise votes SackAttack (1851) Kingfc22 unvotes SackAttack (1866) Kingfc22 votes KWhit (1866) Kingfc22 unvotes KWhit (1872) Kingfc22 votes Pennywise (1887) TazFTW votes KWhit (1890) Kingfc22 unvotes Pennywise (1892) Kingfc22 votes KWhit (1892) __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

03-10-2006, 05:24 PM	#1896
pennywisesb College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California	Whoever is lynched tonight, out of Sack and KWhit, will give us a ton of information for tomorrow which is exciting. I just hope whoever ends up lynched is a sith so we don't have to go into complete panic mode during the next day cycle. __________________ Myspace Profile

03-10-2006, 06:00 PM	#1898
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Stuck at work late at this point, but I have it 5-3-1 with KWhit leading Sack. Will hit the road in a few minutes, be home with maybe an hour to go before deadline. Sounds like votes are not moving from Gram, Sack, and KWhit barring a compelled vote, since they are out for the duration.

03-10-2006, 06:22 PM	#1899
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Unvote SackAttack VOTW KWhit I was in no way targeting SackAttack with my opening vote. I wanted to get a vote out there, but I wasn't a certain then as I am now about KWhit. The first vote was more of a placeholder than anything else. Now it's 6-2-1, so there will have to be a lot of Sith movement to put the heat back on SackAttack. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-10-2006, 06:23 PM	#1900
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	duh, that should be VOTE in the post above, not VOTW. Keys are too close together. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

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