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Old 02-23-2006, 09:53 AM   #751
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I've explained myself the best I can. I've shown you the PMs I sent. I didn't mention any fleet of foot thing in my PMs because I didn't need to.I am not the athlete. I am not a pirate.

Something happened. Barkeep flubbed, maybe. He's done it once with the PM he sent to pennywisesb.

That said, I'm done. I won't mess with this game anymore. I'm not going to get frustrated in this game by trying to convince you otherwise.

Good luck, and I hope one of you is happy with the gold I sent you.
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Old 02-23-2006, 09:55 AM   #752
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I've explained myself the best I can. I've shown you the PMs I sent. I didn't mention any fleet of foot thing in my PMs because I didn't need to.I am not the athlete. I am not a pirate.

Something happened. Barkeep flubbed, maybe. He's done it once with the PM he sent to pennywisesb.

That said, I'm done. I won't mess with this game anymore. I'm not going to get frustrated in this game by trying to convince you otherwise.

Good luck, and I hope one of you is happy with the gold I sent you.


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Old 02-23-2006, 10:00 AM   #753
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Well one of the pirates can bail one out, which is what I'm assuming happened. So it may be worthless putting Blade back in until we figure out who else is a pirate.

I think they may only be able to bail him out for free once:

Swashbuckler role: Friend with the Foes -- This Pirate through his debonair attitude will once per game be able to bail any person out of jail, including himself, for free.

So -- if they want to keep bailing him out, it's going to get a lot tougher for them to hire mercenaries.

Woot! I knew he was bad.

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Old 02-23-2006, 10:04 AM   #754
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I've explained myself the best I can. I've shown you the PMs I sent. I didn't mention any fleet of foot thing in my PMs because I didn't need to.I am not the athlete. I am not a pirate.

Something happened. Barkeep flubbed, maybe. He's done it once with the PM he sent to pennywisesb.

That said, I'm done. I won't mess with this game anymore. I'm not going to get frustrated in this game by trying to convince you otherwise.

Good luck, and I hope one of you is happy with the gold I sent you.

Well, I don't know how to respond to that. Dude, it's a game. And really, you've been playing this long enough to know that the suspicion of you is perfectly legit from our viewpoint.
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:07 AM   #755
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So, what about Desnudo? He was found to the SE in E5. Anyone see him?

Only person I saw this turn was Grammaticus as I moved to D3.
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:21 AM   #756
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I went west this time and did not see anyone. Great job on tagging Blade as a pirate Hoops. Looks as though we could possibly be on to two different pirates by the end of day 2! Keep it up.

Vote Blade

I like KWit's plan. If they have to keep wasting AP to bail Blade out, plus us GPs, I think it will become alot safer around here, especially in the far out regions.....
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:21 AM   #757
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:43 AM   #758
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Officials say that they are not concerned that Blade was released from jail yesterday either.

"The man just didn't belong there," one police officer said.[/color][/b
Hoops is lying to you guys, im good...ive gone through this like 20 times...if you dont believe barkeep you will never believe me...he obviously is a pirate who never viewed me and just said i was a pirate to cover himself up. I know hes lying, barkeep basically said he was, and you should all listen to me.

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And i would like to thank the person that freed me. I knew my trust in you wasnt unfounded yesterday...hopefully i can help a bit today before they wrongfully jail me again
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:48 AM   #759
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Hoops is lying to you guys, im good...ive gone through this like 20 times...if you dont believe barkeep you will never believe me...he obviously is a pirate who never viewed me and just said i was a pirate to cover himself up. I know hes lying, barkeep basically said he was, and you should all listen to me.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

And i would like to thank the person that freed me. I knew my trust in you wasnt unfounded yesterday...hopefully i can help a bit today before they wrongfully jail me again

Blade, you're off your usual game here. There's so much wrong with that:

1) It costs 7 GP to bail someone out -- I don't believe anyone had that much money after day 1.
2) The only other person who could have bailed you out was the swashbuckler pirate -- who is either you or would only do it if you were a fellow pirate.
3) You STILL haven't explained what you really did morning 1.

Do I really need to go on?
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:50 AM   #760
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:51 AM   #761
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Hoops is lying to you guys, im good...ive gone through this like 20 times...if you dont believe barkeep you will never believe me...he obviously is a pirate who never viewed me and just said i was a pirate to cover himself up. I know hes lying, barkeep basically said he was, and you should all listen to me.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

And i would like to thank the person that freed me. I knew my trust in you wasnt unfounded yesterday...hopefully i can help a bit today before they wrongfully jail me again

Bullpuke, the only one that could free ya would'a been the pirate, or someone with 7 gold, and even 1 piece o' lint be too good to set you go. You go right back in tha brig.
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:53 AM   #762
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heres my take on blade....he is doing exactly what he did last game....asking us to believe a bunch of crap that we have absolutley no way of confirming (what square sun was actually in) while spouting about his tremendous importance to us, and how much of a mistake we are all making....how much does the gun cost?
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:55 AM   #763
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Blade, you're off your usual game here. There's so much wrong with that:

1) It costs 7 GP to bail someone out -- I don't believe anyone had that much money after day 1.
2) The only other person who could have bailed you out was the swashbuckler pirate -- who is either you or would only do it if you were a fellow pirate.
3) You STILL haven't explained what you really did morning 1.

Do I really need to go on?
Not at all, you are set in your ways and thats all fine and dandy. College has dramatically interefered with my game this time, and i wont be in the next one at the least...i didnt study the rules the way i should have and made a mistake. Im just telling you what you should really be doing...You should lynch hoops(i know he is after last night) and kwhit(i just know he is too)....you should stay away from kingfc and schmidty...just telling you so when you realize whats going on you guys have a direct path to follow instead of running around all confused.
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:55 AM   #764
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So it looks like either Blade is the swashbuckler and set himself free, or the swashbuckler set him free and a third pirate followed Desnudo in the opposite direction from the jail and killed him. I'm not sure if they would have been able to double back after freeing Blade and get Des.

How about anyone who moved west toward the police station? Did you see anyone? It may be the swashbuckler.....
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:57 AM   #765
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It would be a really really bad strategy for a TH to unilaterally release Blade even if he knew Blade was a good guy. The fact that he's running free tells me even more certainly that he is a pirate.

Why? Because now we're just going to vote him back in. If a TH knows that Blade is good and that's why he freed him, come forward with everything you know NOW or we're gonna waste a vote.

Otherwise, Blade goes back in the clink.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:00 AM   #766
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i didnt study the rules the way i should have and made a mistake.

What do you mean by this?

Exactly what mistake did you make?
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:05 AM   #767
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What do you mean by this?

Exactly what mistake did you make?
I didnt want the wolves to know what i actually did, so i said i dug 3 times and used my actual gold total of 1. I had never read that each dig got the same amount of gold or i would have said i got 3. Rookie mistake, i made it, and im paying the price.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:05 AM   #768
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But you still haven't explained what you did.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:10 AM   #769
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There are a few probabilities to Blade's release:

1. Blade afforded bail
2. A fellow Treasure Hunter afforded bail
3. Swashbuckler freed him
4. Blade freed himself

I doubt #1, I strongly doubt #2...wouldn't he know who set bail for him? #4 present the case that Blade is the Swashbuckler; #3 implicates Blade as a pirate /unless/ the Pirates freed him to cause suspicion and make us waste another day voting him back in the brig.

The fly in the ointment is that we have Hoops stating what he is.

So now, we have to decide whether Hoops is forthright, or that Blade is.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:10 AM   #770
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I didnt want the wolves to know what i actually did, so i said i dug 3 times and used my actual gold total of 1. I had never read that each dig got the same amount of gold or i would have said i got 3. Rookie mistake, i made it, and im paying the price.

There really wasn't much any of us could do on day 1 that needed to be such a big secret from the pirates. We didn't have any money or equipment. So you watched someone, or hid or dug if you were a treasure hunter.

That's why your secrecy is what damned you, especially when you said you were just an athlete.

And again, you still haven't said what exactly you did. So in my mind the only big secret you could have had is that you killed Sun.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:11 AM   #771
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AP1:HIDE
AP2:MOVE to C5
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AP4:Watch anyone in C5(conditional order)
AP5IG

I got 1 gold, on my AP4 watch i saw Sndvls moving to C6, with someone behind him aways...that how i know he died in C6, as he moved there on AP4. While watching sndvls i saw the person following(not his identity) and someone else in C5...that person has STILL not spoken up, which i find utterly hilarious now. I got 1 dig from my 1 gold.

And barkeep told me by PM i couldnt HIDE twice again after i took these actions. He posted it in thread as well. I figured the Scourge role wouldnt be able to kill me if i kept hiding, and apparently barkeep agreed
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:12 AM   #772
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There really wasn't much any of us could do on day 1 that needed to be such a big secret from the pirates. We didn't have any money or equipment. So you watched someone, or hid or dug if you were a treasure hunter.

That's why your secrecy is what damned you, especially when you said you were just an athlete.

And again, you still haven't said what exactly you did. So in my mind the only big secret you could have had is that you killed Sun.

Yep.

This is a no-brainer.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:20 AM   #773
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ooc: Blade reminds me of Blair in The Thing...

There are a few probabilities to Blade's release:

1. Blade afforded bail
2. A fellow Treasure Hunter afforded bail
3. Swashbuckler freed him
4. Blade freed himself

I doubt #1, I strongly doubt #2...wouldn't he know who set bail for him? #4 present the case that Blade is the Swashbuckler; #3 implicates Blade as a pirate /unless/ the Pirates freed him to cause suspicion and make us waste another day voting him back in the brig.

The fly in the ointment is that we have Hoops stating what he is.

So now, we have to decide whether Hoops is forthright, or that Blade is.

I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:22 AM   #774
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I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?

The problem is...that you can only free once as the swashbuckler, and as for pooling the cash for 7 gp, it seems somewhat strange to do so...
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:23 AM   #775
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AP1:HIDE
AP2:MOVE to C5
AP:HIDE
AP4:Watch anyone in C5(conditional order)
AP5IG

I got 1 gold, on my AP4 watch i saw Sndvls moving to C6, with someone behind him aways...that how i know he died in C6, as he moved there on AP4. While watching sndvls i saw the person following(not his identity) and someone else in C5...that person has STILL not spoken up, which i find utterly hilarious now. I got 1 dig from my 1 gold.

And barkeep told me by PM i couldnt HIDE twice again after i took these actions. He posted it in thread as well. I figured the Scourge role wouldnt be able to kill me if i kept hiding, and apparently barkeep agreed

Bullshit.

Why is this such a big secret that you lied repeatedly to cover up your actions? There is nothing in that list of actions taht is any use to anyone.

And it still makes no sense for a TH to free you. None. A pirate had to free you or you freed yourself.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:23 AM   #776
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I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?
And someone finally starts to understand what ive been saying all along
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:24 AM   #777
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And someone finally starts to understand what ive been saying all along

Give credit where credit is due...I posted it...but let's face it...you are Blair...now I gotta find Palmer and Norris.
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Bullshit.

Why is this such a big secret that you lied repeatedly to cover up your actions? There is nothing in that list of actions taht is any use to anyone.

And it still makes no sense for a TH to free you. None. A pirate had to free you or you freed yourself.
I DIDNT WANT THE SCOURGE TO KNOW I WAS DOUBLE HIDING...it made me invicible to night kill, which barkeep has since made a rule against...Is that so hard to understand? Not wanting the wolves to know you figured out a way to beat them
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Give credit where credit is due...I posted it...but let's face it...you are Blair...now I gotta find Palmer and Norris.
Whos blair?
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:25 AM   #780
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I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?

It's certainly possible that hoops is bad, but it would be a huge gamble for him to put himself on the line like this just to cause some suspicion for 1 night. I don't think a pirate would feel that it was worth the risk.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:27 AM   #781
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And someone finally starts to understand what ive been saying all along
except that hoops was a last minute replacement, that we wouldnt have used if not for the fact that ardent tripped up too.
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It's certainly possible that hoops is bad, but it would be a huge gamble for him to put himself on the line like this just to cause some suspicion for 1 night. I don't think a pirate would feel that it was worth the risk.

I agree, and I want to make it noted that I don't necessarily believe thats what happened, I just wanted to elaborate on Quik's thoughts and to make sure that everyone knows there is another possibility.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:29 AM   #783
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dola, would you have us believe that hoops and ardent coordinated that? just so hoops could then step in at the last minute and free you.that would mean hoops and ardent are both pirates, and while i am pretty sure ardent is, i dont think hoops would make that kind of a blatant play this early.
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except that hoops was a last minute replacement, that we wouldnt have used if not for the fact that ardent tripped up too.
Ya, what would a wolf have to gain from stepping in at the last second and being the savior of the night action, AND nailing what he says is a wolf...why would that appeal to a wolf? It just doesnt make any sense
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:30 AM   #785
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I DIDNT WANT THE SCOURGE TO KNOW I WAS DOUBLE HIDING...it made me invicible to night kill, which barkeep has since made a rule against...Is that so hard to understand? Not wanting the wolves to know you figured out a way to beat them

Why wouldn't you want to share that with all of the TH if it was such a great strategy?
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:33 AM   #786
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Why wouldn't you want to share that with all of the TH if it was such a great strategy?
Think about it, the wolves can pick any of the 5 AP to kill...on day one they killed sndvls with AP5...telling you all to hide would make them be creative with their killings...i didnt want them to know i was on to something, and would slowly reveal it to people i trusted by getting walkie talkies
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:34 AM   #787
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I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?

I've been thinking about this. If hoops is bad he's playing it very well. All I know about hoops is that he saw where I was at on morning 1 and apparently was in the same spot (F6), since he zeroed in on how much gold the square produced per dig without anyone giving the rate. That leads me to believe he wasn't involved in Sun's death (B6).

Obviously that doesn't clear him as a pirate, just for that morning.

Too bad we can't verify roles on people who haven't been arrested.
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:34 AM   #788
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Ya, what would a wolf have to gain from stepping in at the last second and being the savior of the night action, AND nailing what he says is a wolf...why would that appeal to a wolf? It just doesnt make any sense


i never said it didnt make sense, i said that there is no way hoops could have known it would have been necessary....he had no reason to cancel the original plan and put himself in the evidence room until i gave it to him. so now you are gonna call me a pirate to, right.
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dola, would you have us believe that hoops and ardent coordinated that? just so hoops could then step in at the last minute and free you.that would mean hoops and ardent are both pirates, and while i am pretty sure ardent is, i dont think hoops would make that kind of a blatant play this early.
I would mostly...i know hoops is bad becuase i know im good...if he claims he scanned evidence then i know hes lying because the evidence would show me as good. So since it looks like the ardent move set hoops up to do it then i would assume the connection. And kwhit i have been listing since everyone agreed that he would do it, then despite ardents slip which i see as having no bearing on kwhits actions, he didnt go through with it. Did kwhit ever say why? Not that i saw, he just kinda stepped aside and let hoops do it
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:36 AM   #790
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...on day one they killed sndvls with AP5

How would you know that, pirate?
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:37 AM   #791
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i never said it didnt make sense, i said that there is no way hoops could have known it would have been necessary....he had no reason to cancel the original plan and put himself in the evidence room until i gave it to him. so now you are gonna call me a pirate to, right.
Not at all...i think Hoops is one, and if you asked me AE and kwhit are the other 2 right now...if their are 4(i dont think so with the total players) i dont know the 4th yet.
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Think about it, the wolves can pick any of the 5 AP to kill...on day one they killed sndvls with AP5

HOW IN THE BLUE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW THAT!!!!!
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dola, mine looks cooler path.
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HOW IN THE BLUE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW THAT!!!!!

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AP1:HIDE
AP2:MOVE to C5
AP:HIDE
AP4:Watch anyone in C5(conditional order)
AP5: DIG

I got 1 gold, on my AP4 watch i saw Sndvls moving to C6, with someone behind him aways...that how i know he died in C6, as he moved there on AP4. While watching sndvls i saw the person following(not his identity) and someone else in C5...that person has STILL not spoken up, which i find utterly hilarious now. I got 1 dig from my 1 gold.

And barkeep told me by PM i couldnt HIDE twice again after i took these actions. He posted it in thread as well. I figured the Scourge role wouldnt be able to kill me if i kept hiding, and apparently barkeep agreed
I saw him alive on AP4...unless he was fleet of foot, he died on 5 in C6...
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dola, mine looks cooler path.

But mine was first.
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.on day one they killed sndvls with AP5...

Caught.
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Caught.
Ive explained exactly how i know that...you can ignore it...i keep giving you guys information to link myself to the crime(being one square away, knowing his actual death location, and knowing what AP he died on)...a wolf would distance himself from the murder, i keep drawing closer...come on boys, think
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Can the other person who was in C5 at least confirm it was 1 gold per dig?
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I saw him alive on AP4...unless he was fleet of foot, he died on 5 in C6...

again, i call BS.

unless blade gets special PM's for his days activities, they dont give a point by point breakdown of the day...they just give a synopsis like "you found x gold" not buying it.....and why cant i find in the rules where i can go to buy that damn gun!
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again, i call BS.

unless blade gets special PM's for his days activities, they dont give a point by point breakdown of the day...they just give a synopsis like "you found x gold" not buying it.....and why cant i find in the rules where i can go to buy that damn gun!
DID YOU WATCH ANYONE?? DO it tonight, and you will be notified of your results..i watched on AP4, so i was told...come on saldana, why would barkeep have me watch and then not tell me the results?
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