Do the skins have a shot at Drew Henson?

[Taur]

I say that is a big YES!

Henson leaving baseball story from ESPN here
Another FOF post about Henson's decision to leave baseball and his QB abilities here

Let me see if I have all the Drew Henson Ands here.

Drew Henson is looking for a team that has enough cap room to sign him And has enough rookie cap room to sign him And has an active roster spot to keep him And is a team that he wants to play for.

When I first heard of all these conditions the Washington Redskins came to the forefront. The Redskins were 4.85 million under the cap as of 08/11/03 And They have the rookie cap space(1 draft pick on active roster), And NO 3rd String QB on active roster, And No "Franchise" type QB on the current roster.

Ands, does anyone know why the Redskins waived both their 3rd & 4th string QBs. The emergency 3rd string QB doesn't even cost you an active roster space.

[Bee]

Originally posted by Taur

does anyone know why the Redskins waived both their 3rd & 4th string QBs. The emergency 3rd string QB doesn't even cost you an active roster space.

The 3rd string QB counts against the 53 player roster, just not against the 46 active players if they don't play. They cut the rookie to put him on the practice squad (like most teams do with "projects") and they cut Woeful because they knew no one else would sign him so he's always a phone call away.

[Fritz]

you sure they have rookie money?

[Ksyrup]

I read that Snyder wanted Wuerffel off the roster so that Chief Throwing Visor wouldn't be tempted to bench Ramsey after the first incompletion in favor of the guy who won him a national championship. If true, that's probably the first smart move anyone has ever attributed directly to Snyder.

[Blade6119]

Don't the texans still own his rights? Man, i made fun of the texans for picking him, and now i just look stupid...

[Butter]

Does anyone else find it humorous that Dobby the Elf has found himself coaching a team whose alternate uniform scheme is very similar to Florida State's?

I do, anyway.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Blade6119
Don't the texans still own his rights? Man, i made fun of the texans for picking him, and now i just look stupid...

Yes. and since he isn't signed, he cannot be traded AT ANY POINT this season. Remember last year when the Skins were thinking of trading Ramsey to Chicago? they didn't have him signed before the deadline (sometime before the end of the preseason), making it impossible to trade him.

I firmly believe the Texans will sign Henson at some point this year to a 2 year league minimum contract with a 26,000 signing bonus. They will then trade him before next season to a team that will re-negotiate the contract before consummating the trade. He'll get paid like a first round draft pick, but won't be playing for anyone before next season.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Yes. and since he isn't signed, he cannot be traded AT ANY POINT this season. Remember last year when the Skins were thinking of trading Ramsey to Chicago? they didn't have him signed before the deadline (sometime before the end of the preseason), making it impossible to trade him.

I firmly believe the Texans will sign Henson at some point this year to a 2 year league minimum contract with a 26,000 signing bonus. They will then trade him before next season to a team that will re-negotiate the contract before consummating the trade. He'll get paid like a first round draft pick, but won't be playing for anyone before next season.

If this is true (not that I doubt it) then why are people talking about this at all? Wouldn't that make the result self-evident -- that Henson simply re-declares for next year's draft, gets picked pretty highly next spring, and goes from there?

If neither he nor his right can be traded under any circumstance - why all the fuss? Why all the speculation about who might be interested? Why is he/his agent talking about what type of NFL team might make a good fit?

And why on earth would Carr accept a two year minimum salary deal from Houston? Or am I wrong in hearing/understanding that he can reapply fo the drfat next year if he remains unsigned?

Something doesn't sound right there...

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Taur
And No "Franchise" type QB on the current roster.

Why are you discounting Ramsey as a potential franchise QB already? He's got all the tools to be an all-pro in the NFL.

I don't seen the Redskins making any such moves anytime soon.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
Does anyone else find it humorous that Dobby the Elf has found himself coaching a team whose alternate uniform scheme is very similar to Florida State's?

I do, anyway.

You should spend less time reading that pseudo-intellectual drivel that Gregg Easterbrook writes...

[Honolulu_Blue]

Screw Henson. Screw the Yankees. Screw the Redskins. Screw Dan Snyder. You can go ahead and screw Charlie Casserly too while you're at it.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by QuikSand

If neither he nor his right can be traded under any circumstance - why all the fuss? Why all the speculation about who might be interested? Why is he/his agent talking about what type of NFL team might make a good fit?

Maybe this gives Henson a chance to broker/dictate which teams he will consider going to, rather than being subjected to the Bengals and Lions of the world (I know, they already have young QBs) in the draft.

[Rich1033]

I believe the main benefit to signing with Houston is having more choice over who he will end up playing for.

If I were him, Id go right back into the draft next year. However he might of already had contact with a certain team that he prefers. The best way to end up with that team is signing with the Texans.


[edit- oops, cuervo beat me to it]

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by QuikSand
And why on earth would Carr accept a two year minimum salary deal from Houston? Or am I wrong in hearing/understanding that he can reapply fo the drfat next year if he remains unsigned?

Something doesn't sound right there...

1. He would collect a salary this year for doing nothing.

2. He would have a strong say in what team he got traded to next season. Would you rather head to Arizona, or be the heir to Brett Favre?

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
Screw Henson. Screw the Yankees. Screw the Redskins. Screw Dan Snyder. You can go ahead and screw Charlie Casserly too while you're at it.

Sounds a little misguided to me. I really don't think there's a market for that sort of pornography.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by QuikSand
If this is true (not that I doubt it) then why are people talking about this at all? Wouldn't that make the result self-evident -- that Henson simply re-declares for next year's draft, gets picked pretty highly next spring, and goes from there?

If neither he nor his right can be traded under any circumstance - why all the fuss? Why all the speculation about who might be interested? Why is he/his agent talking about what type of NFL team might make a good fit?

And why on earth would Carr accept a two year minimum salary deal from Houston? Or am I wrong in hearing/understanding that he can reapply fo the drfat next year if he remains unsigned?

Something doesn't sound right there...

This is what Mike Golic was saying he should do because the deal he will get now will be nothing like what he could get as a top 10 pick, assuming he is one.

[Butter]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
You should spend less time reading that pseudo-intellectual drivel that Gregg Easterbrook writes...

You should spend less time worrying about what I read and more time worrying about how Spurrier couldn't coach a Lamaze class.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Fritz
This is what Mike Golic was saying he should do because the deal he will get now will be nothing like what he could get as a top 10 pick, assuming he is one.

I disagree. I believe if he signs a deal with the Texans he will:

1. collect a salary this year

2. decide where he goes (within reason). Teams that wouldn't have a shot at him in the draft can now get their hands on him.

3. still get paid like a top 10 pick. This will come from an immediate re-negotiation which will likely be finalized before a trade is even made.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
You should spend less time worrying about what I read and more time worrying about how Spurrier couldn't coach a Lamaze class.

Spurrier was able to coach DUKE to a winning record, and won a national title at Florida. Show me a Lamaze coach that can do that, and I'll go sign my pregnant wife up right now.

[Swaggs]

Also, he needs a head coach that has enough job security to go with an untested rookie QB that has not played in 3-4 season AND does not have a better QB on the roster AND has the stones to play him.

I will be suprised if Drew makes back the money he walked away from. I give him something like 10:1 odds.

[Butter]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Spurrier was able to coach DUKE to a winning record, and won a national title at Florida. Show me a Lamaze coach that can do that, and I'll go sign my pregnant wife up right now.

What's the Redskins record since he's been there? Just wonderin'.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
What's the Redskins record since he's been there? Just wonderin'.

Good point. 1 mediocre season wipes out an entire career of accomplishment.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Swaggs
I will be suprised if Drew makes back the money he walked away from. I give him something like 10:1 odds.

Actually, i would seriously love to figure this out. Does anyone know for certain the details of his baseball contract?

How much more was he due?
How much longer did the baseball contract run?

EDIT----

Answering my own questions, he has 3 more years and 12 million dollars left on the contract. .

[Butter]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Good point. 1 mediocre season wipes out an entire career of accomplishment.

In college.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
In college.

I suppose the USFL wasn't pro football?

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
What's the Redskins record since he's been there? Just wonderin'.

What was Jimmy Johnson's record during his first season as an NFL head coach? Or how about Bill Parcells?

Look them up, and please feel free to compare them to Spurrier's first season in Washington.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble


Sounds a little misguided to me. I really don't think there's a market for that sort of pornography.

The day I learned that there was porn involving women in a high-heels stepping on and crushing small animals, I came to a realizations: Lad, when it comes to porn, there is a market for everything.

[Butter]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
I suppose the USFL wasn't pro football?

Unless you consider single-A ball the same as the major leagues, no.

[Butter]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Look them up, and please feel free to compare them to Spurrier's first season in Washington.

They were worse. Of course, the talent they had was much worse to work with too, so there's that.

Hey, is that another Gator on the waiver wire? Maybe Steve could cut Champ Bailey and make room for him.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Good point. 1 mediocre season wipes out an entire career of accomplishment.

I can't stand Spurrier as a person, but the guy can coach. He could pull a Rich Kotite with the Redskins, and I'd still give him props for what he did at Duke and Florida. I'm just happy his ego finally got the best of him and he left Florida - although it was fun seeing him lose more than he won against FSU.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
The day I learned that there was porn involving women in a high-heels stepping on and crushing small animals, I came to a realizations: Lad, when it comes to porn, there is a market for everything.

I'm about to do a classic FOFC threadjack -

Has anyone seen the Real Sex episode where they profile people with an equine fetish? I mean, it wasn't screwing horses exactly - although that exists, I don't think it's quite HBO material - this was people dressed up like horses, nieghing, galloping, being brushed and washed, riding each other bareback and all that crap, and getting off on it. I've seen a lot of stuff in my life - much more than I'd ever admit to my wife - but she and I watched that a month or two ago, and neither of us could believe what we were seeing.

There is most certainly a market for anything!

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
They were worse. Of course, the talent they had was much worse to work with too, so there's that.

Hey, is that another Gator on the waiver wire? Maybe Steve could cut Champ Bailey and make room for him.

How much talent did the Redskins really have on offense last year? Other than Stephen Davis and tackle Chris Samuels, there wasn't anyone near all-pro potential on that unit.

Here's a few first-year head coaching records to chew on:

Bill Walsh - 1979: 2-14
Mike Shanahan - 1988: 7-9
Andy Reid - 1999: 5-11
Bill Parcells - 1983: 3-12
Chuck Noll - 1969: 1-13
Marv Levy - 1978: 4-12
Jimmy Johnson - 1989: 1-15

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I'm about to do a classic FOFC threadjack -

Has anyone seen the Real Sex episode where they profile people with an equine fetish?

[raises hand sheepishly]I have.[/raises hand sheepishly]

[Butter]

OK, I'll give you it's too early to tell on Spurrier. But I think he's going to be a flameout.

Still think he sucks, though.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Butter_of_69
OK, I'll give you it's too early to tell on Spurrier. But I think he's going to be a flameout.

Still think he sucks, though.

I think if he flames out, it'll be mostly because Danny Snyder can't keep his frickin' hands off the team for more than five minutes at a time.

The dude's a fan. Fine. I respect that. If I had a billion dollars, I'd probably buy the Redskins. But I'd leave the football work to the professional football people. Asswads like Snyder and Jerry Jones should just stay comfortably seated in their luxury skyboxes on game day and hire the best guys they can afford to handle the rest of the business.

That said, I think Spurrier is a good coach with a lot yet to learn about the pro game, but he's definately bright enough to catch on quick. But I still miss Joe Gibbs...

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by cuervo72
[raises hand sheepishly]I have.[/raises hand sheepishly]

OK, but were you turned on by it?

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I'm about to do a classic FOFC threadjack -

Has anyone seen the Real Sex episode where they profile people with an equine fetish? I mean, it wasn't screwing horses exactly - although that exists, I don't think it's quite HBO material - this was people dressed up like horses, nieghing, galloping, being brushed and washed, riding each other bareback and all that crap, and getting off on it. I've seen a lot of stuff in my life - much more than I'd ever admit to my wife - but she and I watched that a month or two ago, and neither of us could believe what we were seeing.

There is most certainly a market for anything!

Me, and like 6 friends of both sexes laughed our asses off at that episode. I'm glad to say I can't even imagine how people get excited by dressing up and being ridden like a horse (in what is almost an entirely non-sexual manner).

[Butter]

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Me, and like 6 friends of both sexes laughed our asses off at that episode. I'm glad to say I can't even imagine how people get excited by dressing up and being ridden like a horse

It was actually sounding kinda good, then you had to throw this in there:

(in what is almost an entirely non-sexual manner).

[Franklinnoble]

My wife likes it when I come to bed in spurs and chaps and nothing else... but that's about as close as we get to any sort of equine fetish.

[cuervo72]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
OK, but were you turned on by it?

Not that I recall.

[QuikSand]

Hrm.

Tough spot to be in here - I am actually interested in the pre-threadjack topic here, but I'm not sure it's worth the price of seeing all the post-threadjack follow-up just to see if anything else has been posted about the original topic. Not expressing surprise, just explaining the plight.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by QuikSand
Hrm.

Tough spot to be in here - I am actually interested in the pre-threadjack topic here, but I'm not sure it's worth the price of seeing all the post-threadjack follow-up just to see if anything else has been posted about the original topic. Not expressing surprise, just explaining the plight.

Ahhh, the plight of our friend "Kickstand," who may be hung like a horse, but has no actual interest in equine porn...

[cuervo72]

I promise to cease and desist.

[cthomer5000]

Originally posted by QuikSand
Hrm.

Tough spot to be in here - I am actually interested in the pre-threadjack topic here, but I'm not sure it's worth the price of seeing all the post-threadjack follow-up just to see if anything else has been posted about the original topic. Not expressing surprise, just explaining the plight.

I'm in both boats. I'm interested in seriously discussing:

A. What Henson's best move would be
B. Whether or not walking away from 12 million over the next 3 years will prove to be a bad decision
C. Peoples thoughts on horse fetishes

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by cuervo72
I promise to cease and desist.

Not really my request. Carry on... if I need to learn more about Drew Henson, I could conceivably *gasp* look somewhere other than this forum for the information.

[cuervo72]

Well, I'm not really that interested in horse fetishes anyway...

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by QuikSand
Not really my request. Carry on... if I need to learn more about Drew Henson, I could conceivably *gasp* look somewhere other than this forum for the information.

Yeah, I could look somewhere else than this forum for horse fetish information, too, but somehow, reading about it here feels less perverted (not to mention less likely to get me fired).

[cthomer5000]

well, for the hell of it i looked up the contract info for Byron Leftwich and Rex Grossman, figuring Hensons potential contract with his next team will be somewhere between the two:

The Jacksonville Jaguars reached an agreement last night with rookie

quarterback Byron Leftwich on a five-year, $23 million contract, an NFL

source told the Associated Press.

--
Just two days after signing his five-year, $30 million contract (with

an $11.4 million signing bonus), Leftwich was on the field leading the

Jaguars on a game-winning drive in the final three minutes against

Miami.

The Bears have committed $7.6 million over five years to Grossman. He

received a $2 million signing bonus. Contract incentives, one that

includes taking the Bears to the Super Bowl and winning, could make his

first contract worth $18 million.

I'd expect Hensons' signing bonus to be in the 5+ million dollar range.

[Ksyrup]

...And cthomer5000 just barrels on.

Sorry for the threadjack. I'm not at all interested in equine fetish, although the idea that people are fascinates me. I mean, there are fetishes, and then there are fetishes. I don't think of fetishes involving body parts (human, that is) as being particularly weird, even if they are otherwise non-sexual body parts that are the subject of the fetish. But then you've got stuff like this, or the diaper fetish, or other kinds of stuff that just blows my mind.

I have no problem discussing it in another thread, though. I just saw the opportunity to mention something that dropped my jaw when I saw it, but I never got around to bringing up until now.

[Butter]

Maybe Henson has a horse fetish? That way it'd still be on-topic, and we can all breathe easier... sorta.