The Randy Johnson trade...

[SackAttack]

...gets worse every time I turn around. ESPN Insider is reporting that right now the deal looks something like this:

D'Backs get:

Brad Penny
Shawn Green
an unnamed minor league pitcher

Yankees get:

Kazuhisa Ishii
Randy Johnson

Dodgers get:

Javier Vazquez
Dioner Navarro
Eric Duncan

Okay, I'm sorry, but I think Paul Depodesta has officially lost his mind. We're probably letting Perez and Lima walk, and he's trading Brad Penny and Kaz Ishii for Javy Vazquez. We've been aced out for Carl Pavano and Matt Clement. Who the hell is going to fill out the rotation? Is he relying on Koufax coming out of retirement?

Dammit, SkyDog, you need to add the 'rant' smiley over here.

[Bomber]

Kaz Ishii is being trade solely to free up money, for who I don't know, but it saves the Dodger $5 million this year. Plus he sucks. Vazquez should be very good for them with his return to the NL, and a chance to work with a pitching coach who can fix his mechanic problems. Between him and Weaver the Dodgers can hopefully prove to the Yankees that Mel is the real reason their young pitchers have sucked.

[SackAttack]

Maybe, but my point is, if you're going to do something like this, you need to have made a move on some of the quality starting pitchers while they were still available. Who's left at this point to fill Ishii's spot in the rotation? Right now we've got Weaver, Dessens, and if this trade goes through, Vazquez. That still leaves us two men shy of a full rotation, unless we bring back Perez and do something else.

[SackAttack]

Terrible. Depodesta better have something fucking major up his sleeve, and I mean major in a GOOD way, none of this anal screwing business.

And I don't mean Jose Valentin's signing, either.

[MrBug708]

There is another rumor that has the ChiSox involved with them getting Vasquez and the Dodgers getting Garland, Marte (I think), and Konerko

[Bomber]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/st...p-225322c.html

The Big Unit is coming to the Yankees

After day-long negotiations at the highest level, the Yankees, Diamondbacks and Dodgers agreed in principle to the blockbuster trade that will put Randy Johnson in pinstripes, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

The trade has Shawn Green, Brad Penny, Yhency Brazoban and prospect Brandon Weeden going from L.A. to Arizona; Javier Vazquez and two Yankee prospects (Dioner Navarro and Eric Duncan) going from the Bronx to the Dodgers; and the Big Unit along with L.A. lefthander Kaz Ishii coming to New York.

The deal most likely will be announced in a few days, with so many players involved. Penny told ESPN Radio last night that he is scheduled to take a physical for Arizona next week.

Both Green and Johnson had no-trade clauses but waived them yesterday as part of the final negotiations between the clubs.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

There is another rumor that has the ChiSox involved with them getting Vasquez and the Dodgers getting Garland, Marte (I think), and Konerko

That's a start at redemption for THIS piece of shit trade, but Depo ain't nowhere near finished.

[jbmagic]

what a terrible trade for the dodgers...

i bet Kent is happy he came to the Dodgers now
he wanted top play for a playoff team, and it dont look like it will be...

[The_herd]

So, let's ask the question again. Who is left in the Yankees farm system?

Duncan was a minor league all-star last season and can hit. Navarro is the top rated player in their system and for some reason they've been dying to get rid of him. I don't think any team did very well in this trade. Maybe Arizona, but it's tough to say.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by The_herd

So, let's ask the question again. Who is left in the Yankees farm system?


Duncan was a minor league all-star last season and can hit. Navarro is the top rated player in their system and for some reason they've been dying to get rid of him. I don't think any team did very well in this trade. Maybe Arizona, but it's tough to say.

Yankees came out the best in this deal

[The_herd]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

Yankees came out the best in this deal

Maybe, in the very short term. They have lost all flexiblity in trades, though. The only 2 prospects anyone was interested in are gone (and there weren't many interested in those 2) and now they had better hope they are in good shape in July, because there isn't any way they can ship prospects out to crappy teams to improve.

[Bomber]

Originally Posted by The_herd

So, let's ask the question again. Who is left in the Yankees farm system?

Duncan was a minor league all-star last season and can hit. Navarro is the top rated player in their system and for some reason they've been dying to get rid of him. I don't think any team did very well in this trade. Maybe Arizona, but it's tough to say.

As far as major league ready talent, Robinson Cano. I can post scouting reports from BA of the remaining Yankees' top 10 prospects if you want, Duncan was 1st and Navarro was 5th.

[kingfc22]

The Yankees don't need a farm system. All George has to do is waive his checkbook in front of FA's every year.

[Bomber]

Alright I don't care if you want it, I'm posting their 8 remaining players from this year's top 10 prospects:

2. ROBINSON CANO, 2b Age: 22 B-T: L-R Ht: 6-0 Wt.: 170
Signed: Dominican Republic, 2001 Signed by: Carlos Rios

Background: Many fans became acquainted with Cano when his name was tossed around in trade rumors as the Yankees unsuccessfully tried to acquire Randy Johnson at the July 31 deadline. A confident player, Cano plays as if he belongs in the majors. His father Jose pitched briefly in the big leagues.

Strengths: Cano’s arm is his best tool and rates as a 65 on the 20-80 scouting scale. More important, he can hit. He has good bat speed and a fluid swing, allowing him to catch up to good fastballs. His improving plate discipline helped his power numbers increase, as he set career highs in walks and slugging percentage in 2004.

Weaknesses: Cano hasn’t handled lefthanders well, with just seven extra-base hits in 130 at-bats against southpaws above Class A. He's a below-average runner for an infielder, and his lower half figures to get thicker as he gets older. However, he has solid infield actions and the Yankees refute reports that he has below-average range.

The Future: If Miguel Cairo leaves via free agency, Cano could be a platoon option in New York for 2005. More likely, he'll head back to Columbus for a full season in Triple-A.

2004 Club (Class) AVG OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
Trenton (AA) .301 .356 .497 292 43 88 20 8 7 44 24 40 2
Columbus (AAA) .259 .316 .403 216 22 56 9 2 6 30 18 27 0

3. PHILIP HUGHES, rhp Age: 18 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-5 Wt: 220
Drafted: HS—Santa Ana, Calif., 2004 (1st round) Signed by: Jeff Patterson

Background: New York had Hughes ranked higher on its 2004 draft board than 23rd overall, but that's where it got him. The Angels strongly considered him at No. 12 before deciding to take top-rated pitcher Jered Weaver. After geing drafted, Hughes joked that he had been raised a Red Sox fan but was pleased to be with the Yankees nevertheless.

Strengths: His stuff, size and control have the Yankees comparing Hughes to Roger Clemens. He has similar velocity with a fastball that touches 95 and sits at 90-94 mph, and he generates it with an easy, fluid motion. His fastball also has late life up in the strike zone. Hughes changes a hitter’s sightline with a slider that at times has good bite and depth. He’s also shown good arm action on his changeup, and both his secondary offerings project as at least average pitches.

Weaknesses: Hughes was shut down more than a month after his pro debut with a sore elbow that turned out to be nothing more than tendinitis. He returned with two excellent outings in August before breaking his toe after kicking a door. He also threw well in the Yankees’ fall minicamp, dampening concerns about his health. Otherwise, he just needs innings and experience to refine his stuff.

The Future: The Yankees consider Hughes a high school power arm with the polish of a college pitcher. So if he’s healthy, he’ll move quickly. He’ll start 2005 at their new low Class A Charleston affiliate and could reach New York by 2007.

2004 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG
GCL Yankees (R) 0 0 0.00 3 3 0 0 5 4 0 0 8 .222

4. STEVEN WHITE, rhp Age: 23 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-5 Wt: 205
Drafted: Baylor, 2003 (4th round) Signed by: Steve Boros/Mark Newman

Background: White set a Baylor record with 28 career wins. A poor junior season and the selection of Scott Boras as his adviser caused him to drop to the 18th round in 2002. As a senior, he led the Bears to within one victory of the College World Series. He didn't turn pro until March 2004, and tragedy struck during his holdout when he discovered the body of his mother Brenda, who had died at home.

Strengths: White reported to the Yankees with a fresh arm. His fastball, which had reached the mid-90s early in his college career, bounced back to touch 95-96 late in the 2004 season, though he pitched more at 90-94 mph. He showed better control of the pitch the more he threw it. He showed more power and command with his curveball, which always had been inconsistent at Baylor. He rarely gets rattled.

Weaknesses: White pitches off his fastball nearly 80 percent of the time, and he lost some of the feel for his changeup in the process. He needs to refine it to combat lefthanders at higher levels. Unless his curveball develops into a consistent strikeout pitch, he's more of a middle-of-the-rotation starter rather than an ace.

The Future: White's development was an important step for the Yankees, who could use an innings-eater as soon as possible. He fits that profile, but needs at least a year to hone his secondary stuff. He'll start 2005 in Double-A.

2004 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG
Battle Creek (Low A) 5 2 2.65 9 9 2 0 58 36 4 26 56 .183
Tampa (Hi A) 5 2 2.52 11 11 1 0 54 48 4 19 36 .234

6. CHRISTIAN GARCIA, rhp Age: 19 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-4 Wt: 175
Drafted: HS—Miami, 2004 (3rd round) Signed by: Dan Radison

Background: The strong-armed Garcia committed to South Carolina as a catcher prior to his senior season at Gulliver Prep. Then his new high school coach, former University of Miami pitching coach Lazaro Collazo, put Garcia on the mound with electric results. Garcia helped Gulliver Prep win the state 3-A championship in a game played at the Yankees’ Legends Field in Tampa, then signed for $390,000 as a third-round pick.

Strengths: His combination of size, projection and pure arm strength gives Garcia a high ceiling. He has easy velocity on his fastball, working at 93-94 mph and topping out at 96. With more experience and refinement, he should throw even harder. His curveball, at times a true power hammer, could be a better pitch.

Weaknesses: Garcia is still raw on the mound. His changeup needs work and he must learn how to set up hitters and hold runners. He sometimes falls in love with his curve and doesn’t throw his live fastball enough.

The Future: Garcia could start 2005 in extended spring training before a June assignment to short-season Staten Island. A good spring would land him in low Class A.

2004 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG
Bowie (AA) 4 0 2.25 5 5 0 0 28 16 1 7 34 .160
GCL Yankees (R) 3 4 2.84 13 6 0 0 38 26 1 17 47 .188

7. MARCOS VECHIONACCI, inf Age: 18 B-T: B-R Ht: 6-2 Wt: 170
Signed: Venezuela, 2002 Signed by: Ricardo Finol

Background: Vechionacci has grown four inches since signing out of Venezuela as a 16-year-old. He's so mature at the plate that the Yankees promoted him from extended spring camp to Tampa as an emergency fill-in in May. Afterward, he starred in the Rookie-level Gulf Coast League.

Strengths: Vechionacci can hit. His advanced approach includes plate discipline, smooth swing mechanics and the ability to use the whole field. He shows developing power as well. His greatest improvement in 2004 was his willingness to stay back on breaking balls. Defensively, he has excellent tools with a plus arm, body control and natural infield actions.

Weaknesses: The Yankees need to determine where Vechionacci fits best on defense. He has played more at third base while also seeing time at shortstop and second base. How he fills out and whether he can maintain his average speed will determine if he can play at short.

The Future: A polished bat, good athletic ability and savvy could put Vechionacci on the fast track. He's likely to start 2005 in low Class A as a shortstop.

2004 Club (Class) AVG OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
Tampa (Hi A) .250 .250 .250 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
GCL Yankees (R) .336 .392 .511 131 24 44 9 1 4 22 12 19 5
Staten Island (SS) .275 .383 .333 69 13 19 4 0 0 8 11 12 0

8. MELKY CABRERA, of Age: 20 B-T: B-L Ht: 5-11 Wt: 170
Signed: Dominican Republic, 2001 Signed by: Victor Mata/Carlos Rios

Background: Cabrera signed for $175,000 in 2001 and has quickly developed into one of the organization's better hitters. He was slated to appear in the Midwest League’s midseason all-star game before getting a promotion to high Class A, where he showed the best power of his career.

Strengths: Cabrera’s swing and hand-eye coordination make him the best hitter for average in the system. One club official compared his offensive game to Jose Vidro's. Cabrera has a quick stroke from both sides of the plate, with quick hands that allow him to catch up to quality fastballs. He also punishes breaking balls and lashes line drives from gap to gap. He has an above-average throwing arm.

Weaknesses: An average runner, Cabrera projects as no more than an average defender in center field. There's some thought that as he matures physically and slows down, he'll have to move to an outfield corner. His approach and swing are geared more toward line drives and contact, so he doesn't profile as well on a corner.

The Future: The Yankees have time to figure out where Cabrera fits. His advanced approach will enable him to begin 2005 in Double-A at age 20.

2004 Club (Class) AVG OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
Battle Creek (Lo A) .333 .383 .462 171 35 57 16 3 0 16 15 23 7
Tampa (Hi A) .288 .341 .438 333 48 96 20 3 8 51 23 59 3

9. BRONSON SARDINHA, 3b/of Age: 21 B-T: L-R Ht: 6-1 Wt: 195
Drafted: HS—Honolulu, 2001 (1st round supplemental) Signed by: Gus Quattlebaum

Background: Sardinha is the youngest of three brothers in the minors (Dane plays for the Reds, Duke with the Rockies). Unlike Dane, an accomplished defensive catcher, Bronson has yet to find a home defensively. He has played shortstop as well as left and center field before trying third base in 2004. The results weren't encouraging, as he ranked third in the minors with 43 errors.

Strengths: Sardinha is a polished offensive player who uses a textbook swing to handle both lefthanded and righthanded pitchers. He shows the ability to make adjustments within at-bats and isn't afraid to work deep counts. He's an efficient basestealer and solid average runner.

Weaknesses: The Yankees blame Sardinha's high error totals on lapses in concentration, troubling for a player in his fourth year of pro ball. With Eric Duncan behind him and Alex Rodriguez ahead of him at third base, Sardinha likely will return to the outfield in 2005. He never has shown much power at the plate, and he tries to cheat on good fastballs in an attempt to hit homers.

The Future: Sardinha’s development hit a small speed bump in the Arizona Fall League when he broke a finger on his glove hand during fielding drills just before the season started. He'll return to Double-A in 2005.

2004 Club (Class) AVG OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
Tampa (Hi A) .315 .389 .403 248 37 78 12 2 2 33 29 39 9
Trenton (AA) .267 .356 .383 266 36 71 11 1 6 29 37 65 4

10. CHIEN-MING WANG, rhp Age: 25 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-3. Wt: 200
Signed: Taiwan, 2000 Signed by: John Cox/Gordon Blakeley

Background: Wang signed for $1.9 million out of Taiwan in 2000, and he's close to paying dividends after being deterred by shoulder surgery in 2001 and a shoulder strain in 2003. He shined for Taiwan in the 2004 Olympics, going 1-0, 1.98 in two starts.

Strengths: Wang has one of the best fastballs in the organization. His fastball velocity returned to its pre-injury level late in 2004, as he worked at 92-95 mph and touched 97. He proved he's healthy by logging a career-high 149 innings. His splitter and slider are solid-average pitches.

Weaknesses: While Wang's fastball has excellent velocity, it tends to get straight. He needs to use his changeup and splitter better against lefthanders, who tattooed him for a .307 average in 2004. Wang’s medical history isn’t encouraging, and he pulled a hamstring in the Triple-A International League playoffs, knocking him out of the organization’s fall minicamp.

The Future: Wang will get a chance to break into the big league rotation in 2005. He’s the Yankees' best option for a low-cost, young starter.

2004 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG
Trenton (AA) 6 5 4.05 18 18 0 0 109 112 6 26 90 .266
Columbus (AAA) 5 1 2.01 6 5 2 0 40 31 3 8 35 .215

Cano's current numbers from the Dominican Winter League:
http://www.estrellasdeoriente.com/estadisticas.htm

[daedalus]

This trade looks ridiculous to me. Even if he does spin Vazquez to the Sox afterward. Makes zero sense from the Dodgers' standpoint. Even WITH being able to shed Ishii's contract.

While Wang's fastball has excellent velocity, it tends to get straight.

Is it just me or does this seem to be a trend with Asian pitchers? Nomo's fastball is straight. If I remember right, Park's is as well.

[haji1]

Depo has to be freeing up money for Beltran. The trade involving the WS looks interesting. I think if we give up Weeden we should keep Yhancy, though. Jackson for sure would be part of the rotation if the trade goes through. Maye they are planning on bringing back Odalis? I can't imagine they think Dessens and Alvarez will be the 4th and 5th pitchers. It will be intersting to see how this all plays out, but I am skeptical.

[Bomber]

The rumors are the Dodgers will use the freed up space to pursue Drew and a pitcher.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Terrible. Depodesta better have something fucking major up his sleeve, and I mean major in a GOOD way, none of this anal screwing business.

And I don't mean Jose Valentin's signing, either.

Pads fans are feeling the same way. All we (we?) have gotten is a questionable 5th starter. Big whoop.

[Bomber]

Originally Posted by daedalus

Is it just me or does this seem to be a trend with Asian pitchers? Nomo's fastball is straight. If I remember right, Park's is as well.

Wasn't this Irabu's problem as well?

[The_herd]

Originally Posted by Bomber

Wasn't this Irabu's problem as well?

No, he just sucked...

[Bomber]

Originally Posted by The_herd

No, he just sucked...

Well he sucked, but wasn't his problem a 95+ mph fastball that had no movement?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

D'Backs get:

Brad Penny
Shawn Green
Brandon Weeden
Yhency Brazoban

Yankees get:

Kazuhisa Ishii
Randy Johnson

Dodgers get:

Javier Vazquez
Mike Koplove
Dioner Navarro
Eric Duncan

Updated to reflect someone who was left out (Brazoban), and two players who were added/clarified (Koplove/Weeden).

[haji1]

Any info on Weeden? If we can spin this into Garland and Kornerko and pick up JD Drew, I will be able to swallow this easier.

[SackAttack]

Weeden was the third piece, along with Brazoban and Weaver, in the Kevin Brown trade. I don't know any more than that about him.

[Swaggs]

I'd be bummed if I were a Dodger fan right now... Seeing Mulder dealt to the Cardinals.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

D'Backs get:

Brad Penny
Shawn Green
Brandon Weeden
Yhency Brazoban

Yankees get:

Kazuhisa Ishii
Randy Johnson

Dodgers get:

Javier Vazquez
Mike Koplove
Dioner Navarro
Eric Duncan

As a DBacks fan, I really like this deal. Arizona was in a tough spot in that they could only trade Randy to one team, and the entire league knew it. Still, they got two potential All-Stars (Green and Penny), a future closer (Brazoban) and the Yankees No. 1 pick in 2002 (Weeden). Plus, the AZ paper out here said the Yankees may be sending $4-$5 mil to the DBacks as well. If that wasn't enough, ESPN just reported that Green is considering reducing his salary for 2005 to help facilitate an extension.

All in all, I don't see how Arizona could have done any better in dealing the Unit.

[cougarfreak]

Originally Posted by Arles

As a DBacks fan, I really like this deal. Arizona was in a tough spot in that they could only trade Randy to one team, and the entire league knew it. Still, they got two potential All-Stars (Green and Penny), a future closer (Brazoban) and the Yankees No. 1 pick in 2002 (Weeden). Plus, the AZ paper out here said the Yankees may be sending $4-$5 mil to the DBacks as well. If that wasn't enough, ESPN just reported that Green is considering reducing his salary for 2005 to help facilitate an extension.

All in all, I don't see how Arizona could have done any better in dealing the Unit.

I agree.......I think Arizona is making out like a bandit for being over a barrel.

[Arles]

According to ESPN, all three teams have submitted paperwork for the deal and it will be official pending the physicals and Green and Johnson waiving their no-trade:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1950729

From an Arizona standpoint, it appears that an extension for both Penny and Green could be announced shortly after the deal is completed. Both figure to be for about 3 additional seasons with Green potentially reducing his hefty $16 mil 2005 salary to facilitate the 3-year extension (at around $8 mil a season).

[jbmagic]

Dodgers release Alex Cora 2b

it looks like Gm is putting his own people in and taking out all the Dodgers players from the past GM that was here...

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Arles

As a DBacks fan, I really like this deal. Arizona was in a tough spot in that they could only trade Randy to one team, and the entire league knew it. Still, they got two potential All-Stars (Green and Penny), a future closer (Brazoban) and the Yankees No. 1 pick in 2002 (Weeden). Plus, the AZ paper out here said the Yankees may be sending $4-$5 mil to the DBacks as well. If that wasn't enough, ESPN just reported that Green is considering reducing his salary for 2005 to help facilitate an extension.

All in all, I don't see how Arizona could have done any better in dealing the Unit.

ESPN is also reporting that the Dodgers are sending the Spanks cash to help pay Ishii's salary. I wonder if Depo just enjoys getting reamed.

[haji1]

ESPN radio now reporting that the Dodgers are pulling out the trade. Thank God!

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Originally Posted by haji1

ESPN radio now reporting that the Dodgers are pulling out the trade. Thank God!

HAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!

[Arles]

Yeah, I certainly understand why LA is pulling out. As a DBacks fan, we were certainly getting the best from that deal. AP is now reporting that the Tigers are now putting more heat on signing both Drew and Derek Lowe (both were pursued by the Dodgers when this deal was on the table). I would also expect to see Arizona sign Jeremy Burnitz in the next few days as well. They supposedly had a deal on the table before this deal popped up.

[SackAttack]

Glad to see Depodesta isn't a total retard. A Yankees official claimed the other day that nobody would ever do business with the Dodgers again if they pulled out of the trade, but c'mon - I don't think there are too many GMs who would insist a trade partner allow themselves to get reamed if they're unsuccessful in lining up the replacement pieces that would let the trade proceed to begin with.

Still not sure why we let Cora go.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Glad to see Depodesta isn't a total retard. A Yankees official claimed the other day that nobody would ever do business with the Dodgers again if they pulled out of the trade, but c'mon - I don't think there are too many GMs who would insist a trade partner allow themselves to get reamed if they're unsuccessful in lining up the replacement pieces that would let the trade proceed to begin with.

Still not sure why we let Cora go.

Which begs the question why Depodesta even agreed in principle to this deal last week. Even he admitted as much on Sunday. I do think that the New York media will be heartbroken because the Yankees didn't get Johnson and blame DePodesta though.

Arizona has been steadfast that they will not trade Randy unless a great deal pops up. Given there is no way the Yankees can match Penny, Green, Brazoban and a prospect, I can't see any path for RJ to head to New York. But I don't think that will stop the New York media from speculating, trashing DePodesta and trying to push Arizona into another deal.

[SackAttack]

The key words are "in principle."

Meaning something along the lines of "We have some things we need to work out on this end, but if we can get them done, then yes, we agree to this trade."

Clearly, they didn't work out what they needed to.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

The key words are "in principle."

Meaning something along the lines of "We have some things we need to work out on this end, but if we can get them done, then yes, we agree to this trade."

Clearly, they didn't work out what they needed to.

I agree. But what do you think the NY media will do when they learn Paul pulling out cost them Randy Johnson?

The circus that erupts from that may make this whole experience well worth it

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Arles

I agree. But what do you think the NY media will do when they learn Paul pulling out cost them Randy Johnson?

The circus that erupts from that may make this whole experience well worth it

Who gives a shit what the NY media thinks? I agree that the resulting fallout may well be high comedy, but let's be realistic here. The NY media are distant cousins to Chicken Little. Any time the least significant FA chooses not to sign with the Yankees, it's Armageddon for them.

[Maple Leafs]

No doubt Yankee fans are outraged that a high-profile deal that everyone agreed to could possibly fall apart.

[SackAttack]

Zing!

Thoughts re: Cora. Perhaps DePo wants him back, but not at the $2.6m he'd command in arbitration?

[Arles]

Here's another angle on the story (from the LA Times):

"The uncertainty has caused so much consternation that Dodger owner Frank McCourt called Yankee President Randy Levine and Diamondback officials Monday to ease concerns that the Dodgers weren't going through with the deal."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...adlines-sports

[SackAttack]

Yeah, that came in a couple hours before DePodesta confirmed that the trade was dead.

[MrBug708]

Why not just trade Green, Penny, and Brazoban for what the D-Backs were gonna trade? Johnson can play here a year then go to NY next year

[haji1]

Cuz Randy just does not want to go anywhere but NY. Why, I do not know.

I would still not mind seeing the Dodgers move Green, but I am relieved they got out of this. It just had no upside for us, other than maybe 3-4 years down the road. On top of that we already have some great prospects, I didn't see the need for more.

I wonder what did not work out? Did it not look like we would sign Drew? Was the proposed deal with the White Sox hitting a snag? I am interested how it fell apart at this point. I would still like to see us move Green, pick up Drew, Delgado and another pitcher somehow.

But as of this moment I am just breathing a sigh of relief.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by haji1

But as of this moment I am just breathing a sigh of relief.

What he said.

[Crapshoot]

Crap crap Crap - I was hoping the Dodgers would do this. Oh well.

[PilotMan]

As a lifelong Dodger fan, and used to the steady make do with your team and build it up from the bottom mentality that the O'Malley's brought to the table I am frightend by the moves or lack of moves that have been made. Depo better have a good plan and be ready to land someone for this team. The Cora thing bothers me.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Yahoo MLB

Newsday reported on its Web site Tuesday night that Vazquez did not want to play for the Dodgers and refused to travel to Los Angeles for a physical. The paper, citing a source involved in the discussions. cited that as the ``primary reason'' for the deal's collapse.

Doesn't look like it was LA's "fault" on this one after all. Wonder if that'll affect trade relations any.

[DaddyTorgo]

Of course not. You know the NY media will still spin it against the Dodgers. As a fan of baseball, I'm glad not to see this deal go down. I couldn't really understand how it made any sense for the Dodgers. As a Red Sox fan though, I'm dissapointed the Yanks are committed for 2-3 years to a(nother) 41 year old pitcher with a history of health problems coming off major surgery, and didn't choose to give up on their (how old is Vasquez?) young pitcher who could still turn out to be a stud.

[MrBug708]

I was kind of hoping that it was the Dodgers pulling out to dick over Arizona after the Randy Johnson trade last year fell apart and we ended up trading away Paul LoDuca