101st troopers attacked by our own troops?

sachmo71 · 03-22-2003, 09:06 PM

If anyone else knows anything more about this please fill me in, but I just heard that the attack on the 101st soldiers Saturday night which they believed was a terrorist attack was actually carried out by soldiers of the 101st. One of the attackers was a soldier, anyway, and is in custody. If anyone knows anything else, please fill me in?

A terrorist attack on our troops is bad enough, but if there are people in our own army who would attack their own troops...or worse, if there are terrorist agents in the army?

GoldenEagle · 03-22-2003, 09:09 PM

CBS reports that it was a black muslim soilder and a couple of Kuwaitis.

NoMyths · 03-22-2003, 09:52 PM

If true the man could very well be shot for treason.

CamEdwards · 03-22-2003, 10:18 PM

try drudgereport.com

BTW, I've seen nothing in print about this being a "black Muslim" soldier.

bosshogg23 · 03-22-2003, 10:28 PM

It was previously reported on CBS.com that he was a black, muslim soldier. However the entire paragraph that contained that info has been deleted off of their page. Possible they had misinformation or the Marines dont want that info released yet.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-22-2003, 10:32 PM

Just FTR (and to reassure bosshogg23 that he really saw it), ClearChannel News picked up the same item and was running the black muslim description as of 930 pm (EST).

That doesn't mean it's right or wrong, but that's definitely what was reported by CBS.

bosshogg23 · 03-22-2003, 10:34 PM

Lol thanks I knew I saw it.

Drives me nuts when the media jumps the gun on something though. Whether it was wrong info or shouldnt have been reported makes no difference. Guess that is the info age and all.

Tarkus · 03-22-2003, 10:36 PM

I really hope it wasn't a Muslim who caused this incident. Talk about racial profiling. If that turns out to be the case, he's done a huge disservice to other American Muslims, particularly those in the armed forces. Soldiers are going to have to watch out for Iraqis as well as Muslims in your own forces? Hopefully, they will get past that but I just can't see this being anything but a very bad scene.

Tarkus

JonInMiddleGA · 03-22-2003, 10:45 PM

FoxNews now reporting that current information is that the suspect in custody is "a Muslim-American".

GoldenEagle · 03-22-2003, 10:49 PM

CNN is showing footage of the suspect.

CamEdwards · 03-22-2003, 10:59 PM

you know, I hate the description "Muslim-American". It's not like we identify other people as "Christian-American", "Hindu-American", "Buddhist-American" or any other religious identifier.

Anyway, CBS is also reporting on it's website that apparently the soldier had been acting oddly for the past few days. It didn't sound religious (although I guess it could have been). It sounded more like he was not altogether there.

bigdawg2003 · 03-22-2003, 11:36 PM

My grandfather served in the 101st during Korea. Wow

STK · 03-23-2003, 12:49 AM

A muslim in the military?

Sounds like another question to add to the admissions process.

tucker342 · 03-23-2003, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tarkus
I really hope it wasn't a Muslim who caused this incident. Talk about racial profiling. If that turns out to be the case, he's done a huge disservice to other American Muslims, particularly those in the armed forces. Soldiers are going to have to watch out for Iraqis as well as Muslims in your own forces? Hopefully, they will get past that but I just can't see this being anything but a very bad scene.

Tarkus

Agreed

tucker342 · 03-23-2003, 01:11 AM

dola

It didn't sound like he did it for religious purposes, I think he just cracked.

mrskippy · 03-23-2003, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CamEdwards
you know, I hate the description "Muslim-American". It's not like we identify other people as "Christian-American", "Hindu-American", "Buddhist-American" or any other religious identifier.

Because in this case being a Muslim-American is sifnificant. The war is against a Muslim country, in a Muslim region. CNN reports the man did have an "Arabic-sounding surname."

If there are religious or political motives here. Or if heaven forbid Muslims have enlisted with the desire to do this, that's a scary propsition. If this man has help of contractors (CNN reported there are Kuwaiti workers within the base) that's even scarier.

BTW ... this has now become more than a treason case. One of the men has died. It now appears to also be a murder case.

NoMyths · 03-23-2003, 01:23 AM

According to the early CNN and Washington Post reports, the soldier had been sited for insubordination; "resentment" was said to be the motive.

Washington Post article
CNN article

Tarkus · 03-23-2003, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrskippy
If there are religious or political motives here. Or if heaven forbid Muslims have enlisted with the desire to do this, that's a scary propsition.

Oh, I'd be willing to wager a fair amount that our armed services are full of spies who've enlisted just to get information about the US. There's no real way of which I am aware to prove this, but I wouldn't be surprised if this were true.

Tarkus

STK · 03-23-2003, 01:29 AM

purge

mrskippy · 03-23-2003, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tarkus
Oh, I'd be willing to wager a fair amount that our armed services are full of spies who've enlisted just to get information about the US. There's no real way of which I am aware to prove this, but I wouldn't be surprised if this were true.

Tarkus

I'm sure it's very true. And I'm sure some of them are white, black, Asian, Russian-American, Israeli-American, German-American, etc.

Anthony · 03-23-2003, 02:01 AM

doesn't matter. you can say the same thing about Americans posing undercver as soldiers in other armies.

i'm not in the armed forces, but i can most logically assume that extensive background checks are perofrmed on anyone who will get within 10 feet of our closely guarded info. the only thing a spy would learn is how we train our troops, from a soldiers perspective, not as a high-ranking officer with access to juicy high level classified info.

how many "Muslim-American" generals do you know of or read about in the media coverage. this is nice for Hollywood, but realistically speaking i don't think it's cause for panic.

mrskippy · 03-23-2003, 02:55 AM

The guy was supposedly a Sgt.

Also ... ever heard of Wen Ho Lee? He was within inches of our nuclear secrets.

Airhog · 03-23-2003, 04:11 AM

My dad says that a SGT would be someone with 10-12 years in the military. Its kinda hard to swallow that a career military man would do this, and while I can see him cracking under the pressure, I dont think anyone in their right mind would try to blow up their commanders.

Tekneek · 03-23-2003, 08:27 AM

Iraq is not really a 'muslim' country. The government and legal system is secular. The majority of the population are of Muslim faith, but they don't follow religious law like many of their neighbors.

CamEdwards · 03-23-2003, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrskippy
The guy was supposedly a Sgt.

Also ... ever heard of Wen Ho Lee? He was within inches of our nuclear secrets.

Just to play devil's advocate (cause I like to do that), do you know what happened to Wen Ho Lee? He lives in New Mexico, a free man, because there was never any proof he did anything wrong.

But of course, he's Chinese, and you know we can't trust those people.

damnMikeBrown · 03-23-2003, 10:30 AM

Sgt is nowhere near that long. E-1(automatic), E-2(3months), E-3(6months), E-4(2 years), E-5 or Sgt(4years) That is considering he went in as an E-1. Many people do not due to education, prior service, Eagle Scouts, etc. I was an E-4 in 3 months, due to educational background.

NoMyths · 03-23-2003, 12:52 PM

You're not playing Devil's Advocate, Cam, you're playing Captain Truth Teller.

Man spent 9 months in solitary because our country is still just as racist as it claims not to be.

Tarkus · 03-23-2003, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoMyths
You're not playing Devil's Advocate, Cam, you're playing Captain Truth Teller.

Man spent 9 months in solitary because our country is still just as racist as it claims not to be.

Yeah, damn capitalistic, imperialistic, aggressive, oppressive, racist, sexist country! I just wish I could find someplace better to live!

Tarkus

NoMyths · 03-23-2003, 01:22 PM

lol...not sure I'd take it that far, but we're still be pretty good even with some problems.

Taco · 03-23-2003, 07:35 PM

I know I don't post here very much, but I'd like to ask for everyone's prayers. My cousin was the one soldier who was killed in the grenade attack yesterday. For those who are willing, would you pray for my family during this tough time? Thank you.

henry296 · 03-24-2003, 12:22 AM

Taco,

Your family is in my thoughts.

Todd

daedalus · 03-24-2003, 12:41 AM

Taco,

Sorry to hear that. Your family will certainly be in our thoughts.

03-22-2003, 09:09 PM	#2
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	CBS reports that it was a black muslim soilder and a couple of Kuwaitis. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

03-22-2003, 10:18 PM	#4
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	try drudgereport.com BTW, I've seen nothing in print about this being a "black Muslim" soldier. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half. Last edited by CamEdwards : 03-22-2003 at 10:20 PM.

03-22-2003, 10:32 PM	#6
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Just FTR (and to reassure bosshogg23 that he really saw it), ClearChannel News picked up the same item and was running the black muslim description as of 930 pm (EST). That doesn't mean it's right or wrong, but that's definitely what was reported by CBS. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-22-2003, 10:36 PM	#8
Tarkus High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001	I really hope it wasn't a Muslim who caused this incident. Talk about racial profiling. If that turns out to be the case, he's done a huge disservice to other American Muslims, particularly those in the armed forces. Soldiers are going to have to watch out for Iraqis as well as Muslims in your own forces? Hopefully, they will get past that but I just can't see this being anything but a very bad scene. Tarkus __________________ Winning may not be everything, but losing isn't anything.

03-22-2003, 10:45 PM	#9
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	FoxNews now reporting that current information is that the suspect in custody is "a Muslim-American". __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-22-2003, 09:52 PM	#3
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	If true the man could very well be shot for treason.

03-22-2003, 10:28 PM	#5
bosshogg23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Philly	It was previously reported on CBS.com that he was a black, muslim soldier. However the entire paragraph that contained that info has been deleted off of their page. Possible they had misinformation or the Marines dont want that info released yet.

03-22-2003, 10:34 PM	#7
bosshogg23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Philly	Lol thanks I knew I saw it. Drives me nuts when the media jumps the gun on something though. Whether it was wrong info or shouldnt have been reported makes no difference. Guess that is the info age and all.

03-22-2003, 10:49 PM	#10
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	CNN is showing footage of the suspect. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

03-22-2003, 10:59 PM	#11
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	you know, I hate the description "Muslim-American". It's not like we identify other people as "Christian-American", "Hindu-American", "Buddhist-American" or any other religious identifier. Anyway, CBS is also reporting on it's website that apparently the soldier had been acting oddly for the past few days. It didn't sound religious (although I guess it could have been). It sounded more like he was not altogether there. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

03-22-2003, 11:36 PM	#12
bigdawg2003 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Austin, Texas, USA	My grandfather served in the 101st during Korea. Wow __________________ I didn't even know Elvis was from Memphis. I thought he was from Tennessee.

03-23-2003, 12:49 AM	#13
STK H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tucson, AZ	A muslim in the military? Sounds like another question to add to the admissions process.

03-23-2003, 01:11 AM	#15
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	dola It didn't sound like he did it for religious purposes, I think he just cracked.

03-23-2003, 01:23 AM	#17
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	According to the early CNN and Washington Post reports, the soldier had been sited for insubordination; "resentment" was said to be the motive. Washington Post article CNN article Last edited by NoMyths : 03-23-2003 at 01:25 AM.

03-23-2003, 01:29 AM	#19
STK H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tucson, AZ	purge

03-23-2003, 02:01 AM	#21
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	doesn't matter. you can say the same thing about Americans posing undercver as soldiers in other armies. i'm not in the armed forces, but i can most logically assume that extensive background checks are perofrmed on anyone who will get within 10 feet of our closely guarded info. the only thing a spy would learn is how we train our troops, from a soldiers perspective, not as a high-ranking officer with access to juicy high level classified info. how many "Muslim-American" generals do you know of or read about in the media coverage. this is nice for Hollywood, but realistically speaking i don't think it's cause for panic. Last edited by Anthony : 03-23-2003 at 02:04 AM.

03-23-2003, 02:55 AM	#22
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	The guy was supposedly a Sgt. Also ... ever heard of Wen Ho Lee? He was within inches of our nuclear secrets.

03-23-2003, 04:11 AM	#23
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	My dad says that a SGT would be someone with 10-12 years in the military. Its kinda hard to swallow that a career military man would do this, and while I can see him cracking under the pressure, I dont think anyone in their right mind would try to blow up their commanders. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

03-23-2003, 08:27 AM	#24
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	Iraq is not really a 'muslim' country. The government and legal system is secular. The majority of the population are of Muslim faith, but they don't follow religious law like many of their neighbors.

03-23-2003, 10:30 AM	#26
damnMikeBrown College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH	Sgt is nowhere near that long. E-1(automatic), E-2(3months), E-3(6months), E-4(2 years), E-5 or Sgt(4years) That is considering he went in as an E-1. Many people do not due to education, prior service, Eagle Scouts, etc. I was an E-4 in 3 months, due to educational background.

03-23-2003, 12:52 PM	#27
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	You're not playing Devil's Advocate, Cam, you're playing Captain Truth Teller. Man spent 9 months in solitary because our country is still just as racist as it claims not to be.

03-23-2003, 01:22 PM	#29
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	lol...not sure I'd take it that far, but we're still be pretty good even with some problems. Last edited by NoMyths : 03-23-2003 at 01:23 PM.

03-23-2003, 07:35 PM	#30
Taco High School JV Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Zealand	I know I don't post here very much, but I'd like to ask for everyone's prayers. My cousin was the one soldier who was killed in the grenade attack yesterday. For those who are willing, would you pray for my family during this tough time? Thank you.

03-24-2003, 12:22 AM	#31
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Taco, Your family is in my thoughts. Todd __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

03-24-2003, 12:41 AM	#32
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Taco, Sorry to hear that. Your family will certainly be in our thoughts.

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