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Old 07-13-2018, 11:31 PM   #11251
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I'd do anything for a chance to vote for a Republican who actually gives a damn about an America that extends beyond the future their eyes will see. A real Republican, one from the days when the Democrats were all about small government.

It confuses me how that switch even happened.
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Old 07-14-2018, 02:21 AM   #11252
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Rumor is that the Freedom Caucus is going to impeach Rosenstein may be as soon as Monday


I'm not usually the activist type, but I'm ready to go on this:

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller...events/search/
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:20 AM   #11253
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I'm not usually the activist type, but I'm ready to go on this:

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller...events/search/


thanks for the link. Nice to see some advance organizing on this.
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Old 07-14-2018, 10:41 AM   #11254
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The way those indictments lay out names, times, even search terms used, should scare the shit out of all the Trump folks.

They did it and Mueller knows how.
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:25 PM   #11255
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Was Giuliani out on the talk circuit today (or will be he tomorrow)? If not, I think we might have some guesses as to why.



I'm trying not to speculate about what we don't know, just to keep from having an expectation about what might be there. So it's quite eye opening when these little bits come out about what they do know, and it seems to be much more detailed than I was expecting.
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:43 PM   #11256
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Was Giuliani out on the talk circuit today (or will be he tomorrow)? If not, I think we might have some guesses as to why.



I'm trying not to speculate about what we don't know, just to keep from having an expectation about what might be there. So it's quite eye opening when these little bits come out about what they do know, and it seems to be much more detailed than I was expecting.


Latest tweet from him was this today. None of the regular tweeters I follow are talking about him being on any talk shows that I can see:


"Congressman Steve Cohen wants to give biased renegade Agent Strzok the Purple Heart. Now he wants to impeach the President even though DOJ disclosed that the latest indictments yield no evidence of American involvement. This is pathological.:


Appararently, he's been off twitter since 2016.
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Old 07-14-2018, 11:05 PM   #11257
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So some idiot on Twitter posted a picture of a rally in London supporting Tommy Robinson (white supremacist) and Trump, claiming it was larger than the anti-Trump rally, and won't be covered by MSM as a result. Of course it would help if the picture was in London. It's not, its in Cairo Egypt and has a lot of people praying..and not to Trump I can guarantee.
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:50 AM   #11258
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lol

Schnatters defense is that he got in trouble because he wouldn't say [email protected]#@!

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Old 07-15-2018, 02:01 PM   #11259
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A glimpse into why Republicans have been throwing a fit over Sacha Baron Cohen's new show.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...merica-review/
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:01 PM   #11260
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Interesting article on the British investigation into the ties between Cambridge Analytca, Facebook, the Leave EU campaign, and Trump/Russia:


Elizabeth Denham: ‘Data crimes are real crimes’ | UK news | The Guardian
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:59 PM   #11261
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You should really read through the indictment. It's fascinating in how advanced Russia is in cyber warfare. Much further ahead than we are.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/13/175688...ment-full-text

I thought one of the interesting things was how they took defunct local papers and created Facebook pages for them. Then linked out to legit stories and built up followings. Like the Chicago Daily News hasn't existed since the 70's but still had a semi-recognizable name. They got a lot of followers.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2018/07...ricans-report/

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Old 07-15-2018, 05:13 PM   #11262
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You should really read through the indictment. It's fascinating in how advanced Russia is in cyber warfare. Much further ahead than we are.



They have been actively using, learning, and adapting cyber war with the Ukraine for well over a decade, in the field. There's next to no risk for them in that battle. I'm guessing that the US has some pretty good work behind the scenes too, but I'd rather just know it's there and not hear about it in a world court or in Newsweek.
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:41 PM   #11263
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Yeah, part of being good at this stuff is not having your successes and techniques known by everyone in the world.

I doubt they are more advanced than the US and I'm sure most of America's exploits remain unknown.
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:12 AM   #11264
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Yeah, part of being good at this stuff is not having your successes and techniques known by everyone in the world.

I doubt they are more advanced than the US and I'm sure most of America's exploits remain unknown.

Correct.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:07 PM   #11265
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That was quite the Q&A session. Not sure how you go to work tomorrow if you are Dan Coates or others in intelligence.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:33 PM   #11266
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So the american president just pretty much sold out all american intelligence agencies and sided with the foreign power at fault based on a single one on one talk. And Germany is the one wholly in Russia's pocket he said
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:44 PM   #11267
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And Putin said he wanted Trump to win.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:50 PM   #11268
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I'm guessing that the US has some pretty good work behind the scenes too, but I'd rather just know it's there and not hear about it in a world court or in Newsweek.

I doubt it's as good as this. They got the ruling party in this country to lick their boots.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:52 PM   #11269
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:01 PM   #11270
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i kept thinking of this scene through the whole press conference

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Old 07-16-2018, 02:10 PM   #11271
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Germany's foreign secretary after the summit: "We can no longer completely rely on the White House"
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:02 PM   #11272
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Germany's foreign secretary after the summit: "We can no longer completely rely on the White House"

The language used is no coincidence, because in that same interview he was also emphasizing the similarity in interests and the good relations between Germany/Europe and "the US" since WW2, while explicitly stating (and not for the first time) that one can't rely on "the White House". Not the first time there has been made a distinction like that from politicians over here.

The general impression i am getting is that basically Germany and the EU as a whole will pretty much wait this shitshow out and is fine treading water rather than make any decision based on making Trump happy. And in the meantime they will work on contingency plans/policies in case the crazy person gets another term.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:03 PM   #11273
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This woman was very close to the NRA.

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A criminal complaint was unsealed today in the District of Columbia charging a Russian national with conspiracy to act as an agent of the Russian Federation within the United States without prior notification to the Attorney General.

The announcement was made by Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers, U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Jessie K. Liu, and Nancy McNamara, Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI’s Washington Field Office.

Mariia Butina, 29, a Russian citizen residing in Washington D.C., was arrested on July 15, 2018, in Washington, D.C., and made her initial appearance this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. She was ordered held pending a hearing set for July 18, 2018.

According to the affidavit in support of the complaint, from as early as 2015 and continuing through at least February 2017, Butina worked at the direction of a high-level official in the Russian government who was previously a member of the legislature of the Russian Federation and later became a top official at the Russian Central Bank. This Russian official was sanctioned by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control in April 2018.

The court filings detail the Russian official’s and Butina’s efforts for Butina to act as an agent of Russia inside the United States by developing relationships with U.S. persons and infiltrating organizations having influence in American politics, for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation. The filings also describe certain actions taken by Butina to further this effort during multiple visits from Russia and, later, when she entered and resided in the United States on a student visa. The filings allege that she undertook her activities without officially disclosing the fact that she was acting as an agent of Russian government, as required by law.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:06 PM   #11274
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Gonna get a head start on this, I'm bad at learning new languages.

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Old 07-16-2018, 03:16 PM   #11275
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I'm not a lawyer, so I may be misreading things, but this affidavit is Holy Shit bonkers.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-re...80766/download
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:20 PM   #11276
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BREAKING / NBC News: DOJ announces the arrest of Russian National Mariia Butina, age 29, for "infiltrating organizations having influence in American politics, for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation." She was arrested yesterday.


She was one that was reaching out to the NRA
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:36 PM   #11277
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I'm not a lawyer, so I may be misreading things, but this affidavit is Holy Shit bonkers.

Access Denied


I'm not either, but I'd say its pretty damning. Can't wait until they reveal who "US person 1 and 2" are.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:54 PM   #11278
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It's worse than the worst case scenario. The Russians were using a GOP operative to establish backchannel communication between the Russians and GOP leaders through the NRA.

Makes all the Kushner/Flynn backchannel stuff during the transition more interesting, too.
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:01 PM   #11279
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:14 PM   #11281
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2020 can't get here soon enough.
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:26 PM   #11282
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Judge in Manafort's case postponed a meeting on change of venue until next Mon morning. possible flipping?
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:36 PM   #11283
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Guess I was right about things moving quickly about Trump/Russia
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:45 PM   #11284
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And now a video from 2015 Freedom Fest where Trump was asked a question about US/Russia relations. And the woman asking? Maria Butina


Trump answers question on Russia at FreedomFest 2015 - YouTube
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:05 PM   #11285
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Give it 24 hours and Trump will do something even more absurd and go on multiple twitter rants which the media will then follow and this will all blow over.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:07 PM   #11286
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Where's Cam? He's got some explaining to do.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:08 PM   #11287
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Give it 24 hours and Trump will do something even more absurd and go on multiple twitter rants which the media will then follow and this will all blow over.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Trump's problem is that Mueller doesn't care about any of that.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:40 PM   #11288
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There's going to be a lot of these. That's the arrested spy with her Russian minder.

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Old 07-16-2018, 05:45 PM   #11289
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A glimpse into why Republicans have been throwing a fit over Sacha Baron Cohen's new show.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...merica-review/

First episode was just on over here: first half was not great:

First section was Bernie Sanders basically being professional and not calling him a twat. Wasn’t funny either.

Second section was an old Republican couple being grossed out by, well pretty gross/stupid conversation, but being polite and not throwing him out. Again, not funny at all.

Third section was an artist being up her own arse - no surprise there, or much humour

I nearly quit TBH because it was neither thought provoking or funny, but the last section saved it. I won’t ruin it, but it was far more clever in concept, preparation, delivery, and in the scope of both numbers and importance of the people involved (assuming they were who the captions said they were)

Even if you are generally behind the people being ridiculed, you can’t be happy about some of the idiotic things they agree to in conversation, and agree to say/promote while doing a promo to camera. Again all this assumes they are who they are captioned to be, otherwise the joke’s on me!

Either perservere through the first three sections, or just skip to the last bit as that is definitely worth watching.
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:07 PM   #11290
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Where's Cam? He's got some explaining to do.


You'll find him on twitter preaching the good word about how background checks don't work and awarding a "good guy" of the day. You can guess what the good guy is packing!
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:16 PM   #11291
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You'll find him on twitter preaching the good word about how background checks don't work and awarding a "good guy" of the day. You can guess what the good guy is packing!

At least we know who's paying his bills. What a true patriot!
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:29 PM   #11292
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This should surprise no one.


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Old 07-16-2018, 07:03 PM   #11293
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Not shocking in the least that it was Rohrabacker.
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:21 PM   #11294
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First episode was just on over here: first half was not great:

First section was Bernie Sanders basically being professional and not calling him a twat. Wasn’t funny either.

Second section was an old Republican couple being grossed out by, well pretty gross/stupid conversation, but being polite and not throwing him out. Again, not funny at all.

Third section was an artist being up her own arse - no surprise there, or much humour

I nearly quit TBH because it was neither thought provoking or funny, but the last section saved it. I won’t ruin it, but it was far more clever in concept, preparation, delivery, and in the scope of both numbers and importance of the people involved (assuming they were who the captions said they were)

Even if you are generally behind the people being ridiculed, you can’t be happy about some of the idiotic things they agree to in conversation, and agree to say/promote while doing a promo to camera. Again all this assumes they are who they are captioned to be, otherwise the joke’s on me!

Either perservere through the first three sections, or just skip to the last bit as that is definitely worth watching.


Just finished watching it and, overall, I agree. The last segment is 100% must watch. It's seriously depressing to see people ok with what they were pitching. I'm guessing clips or quotes from this are going to end up in campaign ads soon.
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:22 PM   #11295
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what was the last segment?
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:06 PM   #11296
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:56 PM   #11297
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https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-r...review-698440/

I'm a Sepinwall fanboy, but I think this take on the show, and our country, is really good.

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I'm interested to see what current sitting congressmen did, sure. But, as a concept and a show? Meh.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:49 PM   #11298
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I'm not either, but I'd say its pretty damning. Can't wait until they reveal who "US person 1 and 2" are.


US Person 1 appears to be GOP Consultant Paul Erickson:


Maria Butina, Russian gun-rights advocate who sought to build ties with NRA, charged with acting as a covert Russian agent - The Washington Post
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:29 PM   #11299
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I think the moment when Trump said it's the US's fault that Russian-American relations are poor is the one that will ultimately bring him down.

First time I've been shocked by something he's said. Like, I literally gaped at the screen like a damn goldfish.

When even Joseph McCarthy is rolling over in his grave, anyone who supports him after this has crossed the Rubicon into idolatry with Trump as golden calf.

Sure enough, I've seen a few Tea Party Republican voters (not politicians AFAIK) declaring that they're now breaking with Trump.
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:42 PM   #11300
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Sure enough, I've seen a few Tea Party Republican voters (not politicians AFAIK) declaring that they're now breaking with Trump.

They'll turn on Rush Limbaugh tomorrow who'll spin the issues in such a fashion that the liberal media is to blame and then they'll be happy angry Republicans again.
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