Horse racing fans with DirecTV

mrskippy · 05-22-2003, 11:30 PM

If you've got the sports channels, check out 602. I knew they had this, but up until now hadn't checked it out.

This is TVG and its owned by a reputable name -- TV Guide. It's pretty slick. If you're in a state that allows horse wagering services, than you can setup an account.

They require a $50 initial deposit and after that no minimum.

Minimum race bet is a buck. I played two Los Alamitos races tonight. Ended up ahead $2.40.

I was just screwing around and betting on the longs. But protected myself on one race to regain my money with the fave.

Of course, I'm holding out for the more traditional thoroughbread and more known races.

The quarter and harness thing is worth a few bucks, but no major betting.

I know about the Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont, Santa Anita, Breeder's Cup. What are some of the other bigger races that I should know about for betting purposes?

ice4277 · 05-23-2003, 12:19 AM

If this catches on in general, a lot of people could lose a lot of money. Wish I would have thought of it first.

mrskippy · 05-23-2003, 12:56 AM

I wasn't even aware that a service like this was even legal in California. I figured you'd have to go to the simulcast location.

I guess there are some set top TV boxes that will let you bet with your remote while you watch. Now that's pretty damned cool.

But heck, just can also pick up the phone and do it via an automated system. Or you can just go to your PC and bet. You can also bet on races that aren't televised. Basically you can bet on any race as long as that track TVG has agreements with it. And that means all the majors.

I'm looking forward to using this service a bit more.

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 09:46 AM

There's also an online service called BRISbet, and if you have high-speed access, you can pull down the direct video signal from a number of the major racetracks online, along with a fill analysis screen (detailing the pool totals, exotics, etc.). It's a preyyu nice service for the bet-at-home crowd, especially if you want to have your money get commingled with the track pools, rather than go offshore. (This is important to some, because all the people in the racing industry are supported by the track handle - when you take your money offshore, the profit just goes to the casino, and the equine industry doesn't see a cent)

BRISbet runs your bets through the State of Oregon, and your wagers are transmitted from there as ordinary cross-track wagers. If you're like me - a deeply analytical value bettor - it's great to have a tool to readily spot the percentage a horse is being used in each pool, and to have ready access to full exotic payouts, etc. It's very handy.

One more thing to add (by edit) - BRISbet is running a promotion, where if you make $100 in bets during your first month, they credit your account with $100. That, in my book, is what's known as free money. I took them up on the offer... but understand the motivations involved before you do so.

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 09:50 AM

The Daily Racing Form runs a faeture called the "Race of the Week" - which ic typically a high-profile states race, the sort of thing you're interested in, Skippy. Here's a link:

DRF Race of the Week

This week, there are two races - the Peter Pan Stakes for 3yos on Saturday, and the Metropolitan Mile Handicap on Monday - both at Belmont Park. Both should be very interesting, particularly the met, which has drawn a great field including CONGAREE, who might be the best middle-distance horse in North America.

DRF provides the past performance data for the ROTW for free, which is their "hook" ot get people more interested in racing. All the information when available, will be on the page linked above.

Cards4ever · 05-23-2003, 09:54 AM

How about a link for BRISbet QS?

I plan on going to the track on Monday, and one of the races I was planning on watching/playing is the Met Mile on simulcast. I think that Congaree will be too much of a favorite for me to bet, who else do you like in that race?

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 10:55 AM

Sorry 'bout that - I though I pasted it in there originally.

BRISbet Thoroughbred wagering site

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cards4ever
I plan on going to the track on Monday, and one of the races I was planning on watching/playing is the Met Mile on simulcast. I think that Congaree will be too much of a favorite for me to bet, who else do you like in that race?

Hmm.. I have yet to get PP data, so I haven't seen recent workouts and such. My current inclination is to figure CONGAREE as the winner (maybe an easy winner) and look for a price below him in the second spot, as I think ALDEBARAN might get ovrextended trying to keep with him. Right now, that might be NAJRAN, who will probably fetch a nice price. If SAARLAND runs (unlikely), he might get some of my money as well, as I've been a sucker for that horse going back to last year.

Straight exacta: CONGAREE - NAJRAN looks like the bet.

Cards4ever · 05-23-2003, 11:10 AM

Can you give me your take on Congaree on taking 5 more pounds than any other horse at 124? He has to have worn that much before, don't you think?

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 11:13 AM

I'm not worrie about the weight, I don't see it being much of a factor. As I recall, when he last beat ALDEBARAN, he also gace that one several pounds in weight. Until a hiorse has to carry over 130 lbs, or has to give more than 8 pounds to his nearest rival, I simply don't consider weight much at all in high class races.

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 11:15 AM

By the way, CONGAREE carried 126 in the Derby and Preakness in 2001. He ran his guts out in the Derby to stay near the front after setting a hot pace.

Cards4ever · 05-23-2003, 11:17 AM

Any other of the bigger races you are looking at on Monday?

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 11:23 AM

I will probably not be betting Monday, so I haven't given much attention, I'm afraid. Hopefully, I will be gleefully watching my Orangemen roll to another NCAA men's lacrosse national championship... but that depends on Saturday, I suppose.

Senator · 05-23-2003, 11:29 AM

Thanks for link QuikSand - sounds like something the old man and myself could do when we get together once a month.

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 11:35 AM

What I have found is for the casual racing fan (the one who actualy goes to the track once or twice a year), there's just nothing like the personal experience of walking up to a teller, giving your bet, handing over your money, and getting a ticket. (and, presumably, cashing that ticket if you win)

I recently held a smal "party" at my house on Derby day, and we used my online account for people's bets, and the enthusisasm from the bettors was clearly a lot lower than it would have been (in my opinion) had they actually been holding tickets in their hand. It's a psychological thing, I suppose.

On balance, this is probably a better deal for bordeline degenrates like myself, rather than casual fans. But if this has some appeal to you, it seems like a pretty reliable and easy-to-use conduit.

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 11:38 AM

One more thing... if you get into this stuff, BRISbet is an offshoot of BRISnet, a racing information service. They have a cooperative agreement where the BRISnet data (including full PP data, which I personally find to be far better then the DRF material) is free on any race day that you place a BRISbet wager. (The full PP stuff I get usually costs $3 per track per day)

If you are really into this stuff, and want to handicap and work through the numbers and such, this has the potential to be a tremendous deal. For me, I currently make a token wager via BRISbet every day that I download BRIS PP data, and therefore get it for free. When I occasionally make a decent hit with those bets, it just keeps the account rolling.

Cards4ever · 05-23-2003, 11:40 AM

It looks great, but, being that I don't have as much time as I feel I would need to study the horses, I just think that I would end up losing.

Before my daughter was born, I spent alot more time on it, and one day I'm sure I'll return to that level, and then, that would be great!

BTW, when I go to the track, I like to use the SAM, I never miss a cutoff that way!

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 11:48 AM

I may never go back to the track, except for a particular local race. I don't see any gain for me in driving out, sitting in a parlor, and doing the whole thing there. Now that I have better information at home, I'm much more likely to spend a day betting form home than to run out to the track just to bet random races (which I used to do about ten times a year or so).

Yes, I am aware that this potentially overrides my interest in supporting the industry, as previously expressed. I can only do so much - I won't be a wholly irrational actor in this little economic game of theirs.

Cards4ever · 05-23-2003, 11:54 AM

Oh, if I was going to the track like before, I would be signed up right now. I've always enjoyed Tele-racing, and would jump from track to track anyway, might as well do that at home.

Senator · 05-23-2003, 12:03 PM

QS,

So, just to be on the same page.

"if you get into this stuff, BRISbet is an offshoot of BRISnet, a racing information service. They have a cooperative agreement where the BRISnet data (including full PP data, which I personally find to be far better then the DRF material) is free on any race day that you place a BRISbet wager."

So, when I make a bet on BRISbet - I go to the BRISnet - enter in my password, then I can access the data on PP? Two different sites?

QuikSand · 05-23-2003, 12:58 PM

I think you will need to set up an account (separately) with BRISnet, which is linked from teh BRISbet site. With an account, you may download the PP data you want - pick you format. I generally get the Full Past Performance files, with Summary - the final page wrap-up is very valuable tool (for me) in getting a quick hande on the shape of the race. Those files are in *pdf format, and generally about 3-5 pages per race, so either use them on screen or have a lot of toner handy.

I believe how it works is that the two sites will recognize your corssover accounts, and then BRISnet voids the charges to your account when they verify that you made wagers via BRISbet.

Hope that helps clarify... check the site for more details, though. I've had my BRISnet account for several years, and am a strong supporter of theirs.

ctmason · 05-23-2003, 01:48 PM

I have Dish Network and flip past TVG all the time. I know it's about as illegal as illegal can get for me to do that in Georgia (like that's stopped me before), but I have a few questions for Quik or whoever.

1)Where could I go to get the daily racing lineups for these tracks? They seem to broadcast from all over the country, don't they?

2) What's the name of that guy that everyone talks about reading before betting on horses? He wrote a book called, "How I made a living at the track..." or something like that. Any other books to read?

Always on the lookout for more ways to feed the addiction...

mrskippy · 05-23-2003, 02:00 PM

TVG also goes back into the industry and is supported by the industry as well.

Having multiple auctions is great though, because not every track is on TVG.

Cards4ever · 05-23-2003, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ctmason
I have Dish Network and flip past TVG all the time. I know it's about as illegal as illegal can get for me to do that in Georgia (like that's stopped me before), but I have a few questions for Quik or whoever.

1)Where could I go to get the daily racing lineups for these tracks? They seem to broadcast from all over the country, don't they?

2) What's the name of that guy that everyone talks about reading before betting on horses? He wrote a book called, "How I made a living at the track..." or something like that. Any other books to read?

Always on the lookout for more ways to feed the addiction...

Can't help you with books to read, but, go here for entries and such www.drf.com and www.brisnet.com

05-23-2003, 09:46 AM	#4
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	There's also an online service called BRISbet, and if you have high-speed access, you can pull down the direct video signal from a number of the major racetracks online, along with a fill analysis screen (detailing the pool totals, exotics, etc.). It's a preyyu nice service for the bet-at-home crowd, especially if you want to have your money get commingled with the track pools, rather than go offshore. (This is important to some, because all the people in the racing industry are supported by the track handle - when you take your money offshore, the profit just goes to the casino, and the equine industry doesn't see a cent) BRISbet runs your bets through the State of Oregon, and your wagers are transmitted from there as ordinary cross-track wagers. If you're like me - a deeply analytical value bettor - it's great to have a tool to readily spot the percentage a horse is being used in each pool, and to have ready access to full exotic payouts, etc. It's very handy. One more thing to add (by edit) - BRISbet is running a promotion, where if you make $100 in bets during your first month, they credit your account with $100. That, in my book, is what's known as free money. I took them up on the offer... but understand the motivations involved before you do so. Last edited by QuikSand : 05-23-2003 at 09:51 AM.

05-23-2003, 09:50 AM	#5
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	The Daily Racing Form runs a faeture called the "Race of the Week" - which ic typically a high-profile states race, the sort of thing you're interested in, Skippy. Here's a link: DRF Race of the Week This week, there are two races - the Peter Pan Stakes for 3yos on Saturday, and the Metropolitan Mile Handicap on Monday - both at Belmont Park. Both should be very interesting, particularly the met, which has drawn a great field including CONGAREE, who might be the best middle-distance horse in North America. DRF provides the past performance data for the ROTW for free, which is their "hook" ot get people more interested in racing. All the information when available, will be on the page linked above. Last edited by QuikSand : 05-23-2003 at 09:50 AM.

05-23-2003, 09:54 AM	#6
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	How about a link for BRISbet QS? I plan on going to the track on Monday, and one of the races I was planning on watching/playing is the Met Mile on simulcast. I think that Congaree will be too much of a favorite for me to bet, who else do you like in that race? __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-23-2003, 11:10 AM	#9
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Can you give me your take on Congaree on taking 5 more pounds than any other horse at 124? He has to have worn that much before, don't you think? __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-23-2003, 11:17 AM	#12
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Any other of the bigger races you are looking at on Monday? __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-23-2003, 12:19 AM	#2
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	If this catches on in general, a lot of people could lose a lot of money. Wish I would have thought of it first.

05-23-2003, 12:56 AM	#3
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	I wasn't even aware that a service like this was even legal in California. I figured you'd have to go to the simulcast location. I guess there are some set top TV boxes that will let you bet with your remote while you watch. Now that's pretty damned cool. But heck, just can also pick up the phone and do it via an automated system. Or you can just go to your PC and bet. You can also bet on races that aren't televised. Basically you can bet on any race as long as that track TVG has agreements with it. And that means all the majors. I'm looking forward to using this service a bit more.

05-23-2003, 10:55 AM	#7
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Sorry 'bout that - I though I pasted it in there originally. BRISbet Thoroughbred wagering site

05-23-2003, 11:13 AM	#10
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I'm not worrie about the weight, I don't see it being much of a factor. As I recall, when he last beat ALDEBARAN, he also gace that one several pounds in weight. Until a hiorse has to carry over 130 lbs, or has to give more than 8 pounds to his nearest rival, I simply don't consider weight much at all in high class races.

05-23-2003, 11:15 AM	#11
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	By the way, CONGAREE carried 126 in the Derby and Preakness in 2001. He ran his guts out in the Derby to stay near the front after setting a hot pace.

05-23-2003, 11:23 AM	#13
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I will probably not be betting Monday, so I haven't given much attention, I'm afraid. Hopefully, I will be gleefully watching my Orangemen roll to another NCAA men's lacrosse national championship... but that depends on Saturday, I suppose.

05-23-2003, 11:29 AM	#14
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	Thanks for link QuikSand - sounds like something the old man and myself could do when we get together once a month. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

05-23-2003, 11:35 AM	#15
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	What I have found is for the casual racing fan (the one who actualy goes to the track once or twice a year), there's just nothing like the personal experience of walking up to a teller, giving your bet, handing over your money, and getting a ticket. (and, presumably, cashing that ticket if you win) I recently held a smal "party" at my house on Derby day, and we used my online account for people's bets, and the enthusisasm from the bettors was clearly a lot lower than it would have been (in my opinion) had they actually been holding tickets in their hand. It's a psychological thing, I suppose. On balance, this is probably a better deal for bordeline degenrates like myself, rather than casual fans. But if this has some appeal to you, it seems like a pretty reliable and easy-to-use conduit.

05-23-2003, 11:38 AM	#16
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	One more thing... if you get into this stuff, BRISbet is an offshoot of BRISnet, a racing information service. They have a cooperative agreement where the BRISnet data (including full PP data, which I personally find to be far better then the DRF material) is free on any race day that you place a BRISbet wager. (The full PP stuff I get usually costs $3 per track per day) If you are really into this stuff, and want to handicap and work through the numbers and such, this has the potential to be a tremendous deal. For me, I currently make a token wager via BRISbet every day that I download BRIS PP data, and therefore get it for free. When I occasionally make a decent hit with those bets, it just keeps the account rolling.

05-23-2003, 11:40 AM	#17
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	It looks great, but, being that I don't have as much time as I feel I would need to study the horses, I just think that I would end up losing. Before my daughter was born, I spent alot more time on it, and one day I'm sure I'll return to that level, and then, that would be great! BTW, when I go to the track, I like to use the SAM, I never miss a cutoff that way! __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-23-2003, 11:48 AM	#18
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I may never go back to the track, except for a particular local race. I don't see any gain for me in driving out, sitting in a parlor, and doing the whole thing there. Now that I have better information at home, I'm much more likely to spend a day betting form home than to run out to the track just to bet random races (which I used to do about ten times a year or so). Yes, I am aware that this potentially overrides my interest in supporting the industry, as previously expressed. I can only do so much - I won't be a wholly irrational actor in this little economic game of theirs.

05-23-2003, 11:54 AM	#19
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Oh, if I was going to the track like before, I would be signed up right now. I've always enjoyed Tele-racing, and would jump from track to track anyway, might as well do that at home. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-23-2003, 12:03 PM	#20
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	QS, So, just to be on the same page. "if you get into this stuff, BRISbet is an offshoot of BRISnet, a racing information service. They have a cooperative agreement where the BRISnet data (including full PP data, which I personally find to be far better then the DRF material) is free on any race day that you place a BRISbet wager." So, when I make a bet on BRISbet - I go to the BRISnet - enter in my password, then I can access the data on PP? Two different sites? __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

05-23-2003, 12:58 PM	#21
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I think you will need to set up an account (separately) with BRISnet, which is linked from teh BRISbet site. With an account, you may download the PP data you want - pick you format. I generally get the Full Past Performance files, with Summary - the final page wrap-up is very valuable tool (for me) in getting a quick hande on the shape of the race. Those files are in *pdf format, and generally about 3-5 pages per race, so either use them on screen or have a lot of toner handy. I believe how it works is that the two sites will recognize your corssover accounts, and then BRISnet voids the charges to your account when they verify that you made wagers via BRISbet. Hope that helps clarify... check the site for more details, though. I've had my BRISnet account for several years, and am a strong supporter of theirs.

05-23-2003, 01:48 PM	#22
ctmason High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mesa, AZ	I have Dish Network and flip past TVG all the time. I know it's about as illegal as illegal can get for me to do that in Georgia (like that's stopped me before), but I have a few questions for Quik or whoever. 1)Where could I go to get the daily racing lineups for these tracks? They seem to broadcast from all over the country, don't they? 2) What's the name of that guy that everyone talks about reading before betting on horses? He wrote a book called, "How I made a living at the track..." or something like that. Any other books to read? Always on the lookout for more ways to feed the addiction... Last edited by ctmason : 05-23-2003 at 01:49 PM.

05-23-2003, 02:00 PM	#23
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	TVG also goes back into the industry and is supported by the industry as well. Having multiple auctions is great though, because not every track is on TVG.

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