I didnt realize how good APF 2K8 was until I played Madden

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

2K4 & 2K5 again? *sigh* just to make myself clear... all the games have issues. How sever either game's issues are is a matter of preference. Just as there were multiple threads about APF's lack of franchise, so are there multiple threads about Madden's issues. Imo if APF is going to get docked points for [whatever reason], so should Madden and NCAA. Whether they have been or not is debateable

You indicated Madden's flaws somehow get overlooked or are allowed to "fly" and other games don't have the luxury. I simply pointed out, that's no where near being true.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

You indicated Madden's flaws somehow get overlooked or are allowed to "fly" and other games don't have the luxury. I simply pointed out, that's no where near being true.

based off review scores. guess everything needs to be spelled out lol

[plasticbeast]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

You indicated Madden's flaws somehow get overlooked or are allowed to "fly" and other games don't have the luxury. I simply pointed out, that's no where near being true.

That is debatable but what can't be is that, just having the nfl and its players is a money maker. Myself included in this: we are more willing to overlook things for the "real" teams and players. (this is especially true the more casual gamer you are)

I kinda relate it to this: the more money I make for a job, the more crap I am willing to put up with in said job.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by plasticbeast

That is debatable but what can't be is that, just having the nfl and its players is a money maker. Myself included in this: we are more willing to overlook things for the "real" teams and players. (this is especially true the more casual gamer you are) I kinda relate it to this: the more money I make for a job, the more crap I am willing to put up with in said job.

I think you are correct about the casual gamer. License is a money maker no doubt. Which is why it's price was so high., But I read stuff like things in Madden are forgiven and aren't in 2k, and that's simply not true.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

based off review scores. guess everything needs to be spelled out lol

I sure hope you've got something better than that.

[plasticbeast]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

I think you are correct about the casual gamer. License is a money maker no doubt. Which is why it's price was so high., But I read stuff like things in Madden are forgiven and aren't in 2k, and that's simply not true.

Yeah and everyones take on a game is so different too. It all depends on what you are looking for in the game, and how you play it.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

I think you are correct about the casual gamer. License is a money maker no doubt. Which is why it's price was so high., But I read stuff like things in Madden are forgiven and aren't in 2k, and that's simply not true.

It is true... but you're right too. That's why it's a bit annoying whenever anyone says "you criticize this in [insert favorite game here] but if this was the [insert other game here] forum it'd be getting blasted." I think the group that is hypocritical in its analysis is MUCH smaller than people act like it is. There is a BUNCH of crap from the blatantly obvious to the subtle that's ignored or forgiven in Madden. There are many reasons but the main one is how well the game does what people are looking for. It's just like a relationship... small things don't become big things until the big things you like are no longer there.

Of course this is true for APF too. If you need a franchise then anything else that's wrong with APF just piles on. It's like people naturally look for the bad things, but in games that do what they really want, and do it well, they look for ways to get around the bad things.

In a sense, I do agree with spank but not for the same reason. Madden IS videogame football just like Xerox IS copying and Blockbuster IS video stores. In Madden, EA has defined how we view what a football video game should be. At this point it's really only compared to itself. People didn't complain about the lack of gang tackling as much as they complained about things that were included in the xbox/ps2 version and not in the NG versions... even though gang tackling should be more important. Innovations aren't worth much until they're added to Madden. It's the nature of the beast at this point.

We can evaluate the games based on our personal opinions, but they'll never be on even ground globally and it's not just b/c of marketing. Madden has to kill itself before any other game can take it down. NBA2kx has been good for a while but it wasn't really a competitor in sales to Live until Live became absolute garbage. Same with Triple Play. They came back with a new engine before the license sticky situation but people were still buying triple play long after it was worth a dime.

The faults of madden are forgiven more than the faults of apf... but that's b/c it's madden we're talking about. The license helps and all that jazz but the name, familiarity, history, etc. means a lot. It's consistent. That's why I'd say to most that haven't liked it don't even bother. It's not going to be much better or worse than it ever was. While VC games can potentially be MUCH better in some areas and MUCH worse in others. They have to take those risks and see how it works out. Other comparisons have been made before but that's the deal. The core of the game doesn't change in madden, for better or worse. If you were ok with it before, you'll be ok with it now. Even 2k fans think "if you're gonna take madden down..." so they don't have the same luxury of JUST building on the core. They have to try new creative things... especially when they don't have the NFL or NFLPA licenses.