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  • totalownership
    Banned
    • Jul 2004
    • 3838

    #1

    The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

    I posted this a few days ago in the 2K forums and received some very good debating on the subject. So, with grammatical errors and all, here it is word for word.

    Ok people the other day I was playing a friend with my old Giants team vs his Brooklyn Something-or-nothers, lol. Well Cunningham was killing me. I would bring the heat from any and every direction but just couldn't get to him. My thing wasn't so much that he was killing me but with a 2 man and even at times 3 man blitz he was getting upwards to 5 seconds to throw with my men just running to the nearest defender screaming "BLOCK ME I DON'T WANT TO PLAY" all the way. Well I enough was enough. He was just getting way too much time and I noticed something, I blitzed my corner and he had a straight shot to the QB but he PURPOSELY turned to the nearest defender and allowed himself to get block. I had a revelation, people cry and cry about "controlling the man and not letting the computer do all the work" and while I say do what you want you paid for the game I thought to myself then why doesn't that same philosophy apply to the blitzer. Well I did just that. Took the CB and blitzed him manually. It became a tale of two games. Now some actual heat was on. He began to rush his throws when he wasn't on his back. His ints went up tremendously. I actually started getting sacks and the game took a complete 180.

    He started calling plays that brought protection to that side and that effectively negated my corner blitz but now that kept more dudes in the box and gave time for my LBs to do there thing. So I question if you can put a blanket rule on no manual blitzing. I'm really disappointed that 2K didn't include and option to "call the mike" and have blocking responsibilities. I guess calling for the max protection either direction is as good as it's going to get for now.
  • LBzrule
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jul 2002
    • 13085

    #2
    Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

    LOL. Total I have one question. What's so "dreaded" about it? Doesn't sound like it was dreaded from your end. If the blitz in this game is dreaded then pushing for more speed on the blitz by me to the developer is going to have some people in tears. LOL that's good.

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    • totalownership
      Banned
      • Jul 2004
      • 3838

      #3
      Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

      Originally posted by LBzrule
      LOL. Total I have one question. What's so "dreaded" about it? Doesn't sound like it was dreaded from your end. If the blitz in this game is dreaded then pushing for more speed on the blitz by me to the developer is going to have some people in tears. LOL that's good.
      You don't know the written "sim" rule of "No Manual Blitzing"? Most leagues or people online will point out to you about taking advantage of the AI with manual blitzing. Now I'm sure there is a glitch for certain plays or whatever but my argument was that as a whole manually blitzing should not be looked upon as plug pulling or 2K5 type Dline glitching.

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      • VCdolphin
        Pro
        • Jul 2004
        • 544

        #4
        Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

        I don't think blitzers are as effective as they could be, when you don't have legends on your D-line. I've noted that with a couple star defenders on the D-line, and sending a blitzer or two, you can get pressure quickly, even moreso if you control the blitzer.

        Why is this bad? Isn't that the idea with a blitz, to get pressure and force a quick throw?

        You can call for max protection, dump it off to a back, or hit a quick route. PA and roll out if your QB is a scrambler.

        I keep a few shotgun formations in every playbook, so I can buy that extra second of time for a throw when needed.

        Unless there is a glitch like 2K5, I think people are overeacting to this.

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        • azn_essence
          Rookie
          • May 2003
          • 336

          #5
          Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

          Originally posted by totalownership
          You don't know the written "sim" rule of "No Manual Blitzing"? Most leagues or people online will point out to you about taking advantage of the AI with manual blitzing. Now I'm sure there is a glitch for certain plays or whatever but my argument was that as a whole manually blitzing should not be looked upon as plug pulling or 2K5 type Dline glitching.
          that leagues/people are morons who can't handle it, so they enforced certain rules to help them win
          Last edited by azn_essence; 09-26-2007, 07:17 PM.

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          • LBzrule
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2002
            • 13085

            #6
            Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

            Originally posted by totalownership
            You don't know the written "sim" rule of "No Manual Blitzing"? Most leagues or people online will point out to you about taking advantage of the AI with manual blitzing. Now I'm sure there is a glitch for certain plays or whatever but my argument was that as a whole manually blitzing should not be looked upon as plug pulling or 2K5 type Dline glitching.
            It's not that I don't know it, it is I don't care about it. You are right most leagues will not allow it and I dunno what to say about that except a thing can appear in more than one way, namely, it doesn't have to be cheese just because someone is getting pressure. Most leagues will not allow controlling the Dline. Most will not allow blitzing with a linebacker or safety. I guess for me, what's the point of playing the game if I can't play it the way I want to play it.

            And what's wrong with the way I want to play it as long as I'm not using a glitch. There is one defensive play in this game, I was using it a long time ago, but stopped using it, not because I thought it was a glitch, I immediately knew what the play did as soon as I saw the play art for it. The reason why I stopped running it is because it is pretty easy to beat and most of the gains against it are pretty damn large and I don't like that. I still have a version of it though and it is better/faster than the default one Accostic tried to run it on me, I laughed and said you aint gonna get me with something I already know. Called that time out. It was 3rd and like 9 or something. Called that time out. The first time he ran it I went to a certain run play. 30 yard pickup. The next time he ran it I picked up another 30 yds on a swing pass.

            And both times I was in single back. You do not have to be in 2 back. You just gotta RECOGNIZE what it is. I didn't give him negative feedback, I think it's legit. If you count the men inside versus your men inside I don't see the problem. The problem is people who were not expecting something like that got hit with it by surprise and now it is a glitch because no other plays in the game bring pressure like that so this must be a glitch. This past week I worked on my other Xbox and went over a simple blitz package. It's taking me a long time with this game, just like 2k4. In 2k4 I didn't have my defense together until around that December/January. But once I got it, it was lights out. And once I get the D in this game .... There are some things they need to patch up though.

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            • Cebby
              Banned
              • Apr 2005
              • 22327

              #7
              Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

              Originally posted by totalownership
              You don't know the written "sim" rule of "No Manual Blitzing"? Most leagues or people online will point out to you about taking advantage of the AI with manual blitzing. Now I'm sure there is a glitch for certain plays or whatever but my argument was that as a whole manually blitzing should not be looked upon as plug pulling or 2K5 type Dline glitching.
              Then those people are idiots. The reason for manual blitzing is so the players hit the holes in the line hard. If I'm running an overload blitz, somebody should get to the QB if they aren't keeping a back in to block. This isn't the outside blitzing of NCAA/Madden where the OT literally can't comprehend the blitz, this is simply a case of a safety/LB being quicker than an OL. If somebody don't have a check off when they see blitz, that's on them.

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              • kcxiv
                Banned
                • Dec 2005
                • 2564

                #8
                Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

                Manual blitzing is just fine in this game. I will use it, not often, but i do use it. especially on 3rd and long. There's no reason for me not too. there is no way i am going to give someone all day so they can throw an out route. I wont always get to the QB, but at least i have a chance.

                Blitzing manually is fine imo.


                The only reason why people moaned so much in 2k5 was because the Oline AI was horrible.

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                • jrivera34
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 1296

                  #9
                  Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

                  I preach sim all the time but some people take it to the extreme. If my opponent punts on 4th down, more often than not that is sim enough for me.
                  I am currently in a leaugue that limits our running attempts...LOL. But it was fine when my opponent threw the ball 99% of time. Go figure?
                  Some people/leagues modify their version of sim to fit their needs. IMO this game does a pretty good job of keeping things sim on its own. We will always have those who know and use every glitch but you can usually point them out by their record or rating so I am fine.

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                  • LBzrule
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 13085

                    #10
                    Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

                    Here is the thing too. Even when you manually blitz, it still is kinda slow. Some guys can still get passes off an the WR's warp to the ball.

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                    • azn_essence
                      Rookie
                      • May 2003
                      • 336

                      #11
                      Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

                      Originally posted by jrivera34
                      I am currently in a league that limits our running attempts...LOL. .
                      that's the dumbest rule I've ever seen in a league. one of the leagues I was going to play in didn't allow control of defensive players. You couldnt pass rush or blitz or move them. Basically control the safety and watch the AI play.

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                      • Kruza
                        Mainstream Outlaw
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 6285

                        #12
                        Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

                        Manually controlled blitzers are decent but could and should be faster coming off the ball and while sprinting. However, CPU-controlled blitzers are horrendous, and that has to improve.

                        Oh, and I agree that banning manual blitzing in league play is dumb as hell. This is one of several reasons why I stay liberal even though I play sim-style ball.

                        Kruza

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                        • HotShot232
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 731

                          #13
                          Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

                          Originally posted by Kruza
                          Manually controlled blitzers are decent but could and should be faster coming off the ball and while sprinting. However, CPU-controlled blitzers are horrendous, and that has to improve.

                          Oh, and I agree that banning manual blitzing in league play is dumb as hell. This is one of several reasons why I stay liberal even though I play sim-style ball.

                          Kruza
                          If you don't manual blitz then you will get no pressure most the game. Manual blitzing is not the only thing. Controlling a Linebacker is a MUST for stopping a good running attack. I know I have said this over and over before but I am excellent at stopping the run. Not blowing my own horn but our league stats show that I am number one in run defense. I have only allowed 1 game to 90 yards on the ground and all the rest have been way less with one at 60, one game at 9 yards and another at 16 yards. Hitting the running lanes and forcing backs back INSIDE is key. To many people pressure the middle and the back bounces it out to daylight. Force the play back to your players and the run will be easier.

                          On a whole manual control of defenders is NOT cheese or doing anything wrong. It is making up for the slow reacting defense that we as better readers of the offense and make those reads quicker.

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                          • LionsFanNJ
                            All Star
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 9464

                            #14
                            Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

                            Man, some of the rules of online "Sim" leagues are insane and is why i NEVER play in one. Don't tell me that i can't control my defensive player or that i can't blitz when i want to or that i can't run the ball 20 times a game. SCrew that.
                            HELLO BROOKYLN.
                            All Black Everything

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                            • seanmac
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 1081

                              #15
                              Re: The "Dreaded" Manual Blitz

                              I don't normally manually blitz, but I generally try to accentuate the effect of the blitz by controlling a defensive lineman and concentrating on wiping out the blocker/s who would be responsible for the blitz pickup. If the blitzer has a clear path and no blocker, he'll do fine.

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