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Old 07-24-2008, 12:22 PM   #33
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Re: One year later...

Originally Posted by Timmay
I manage to get back into it for a week or so every once in a while. Then the MAX 11 Legends and the Generic fill ins kill the game entirely for me.

The gameplay is so damn awesome. The way they set up the create a team is absolutely anything but. This gameplay with full customizable rosters would have been GOLDEN.
yeah pretty much
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Old 07-24-2008, 04:59 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by Radja
i used to feel the same way, but now playing and learning all the different players is way more fun than a franchise. the old players are pretty fun to use. and online, this game is amazing.
That's how I feel too. Once you step back and realize that every football game that had franchise had something fairly serious wrong with it, whether it was draft logic, trade logic, progression, or just plain freezing, the whole concept seems a bit bloated. Online versus the right kind of players in this game is infinitely interesting.
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:37 PM   #35
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I picked up NCAA 09 last week and was left feeling a bit 'empty' so I went out and RE-purchased APF 08 (for PS3 this time). I created a team called the U's and let the CPU select my players, then I played 2 games tonight and had the biggest smile on my face while watching replay after replay. The presentation is top notched and the animations are second to none.

I forgot how freakin' cool this game is.
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:44 PM   #36
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During the late 60's and early 70's teams started using more finesse running backs that killed the 4-3 defenses. Gale Sayers and O.J. Simpson for example. Back then most teams ran with power Fullbacks. However not everyone bought into the trend of speed backs because just like today many thought a speed back can't last a season let alone a career in the NFL. So teams ran combos of Power and speed with the power back being the main runner. A lot of them were right since O.J. had some very injury plagued seasons after a few legendary ones, as well as Sayers.

Those backs killed 4-3 defenses because the 4 defensive lineman were no match for their speed and agility.

They could not stop them with only 3 linebackers. Teams then switched up and went to the 3-4 to stop the finesse backs because they needed an extra linebacker to keep up with them and contain them (that still did not work to well). At least that is what I was told when I was in high school.

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This is why they say Lawrence Taylor revolutionized the Outside Linebacker position. Never before has an outside linebacker been so influential to not just the run defense but his pass rushing skills changed what it meant to be an Linebacker.

Defensive coordinators could not get another Taylor or another prodigy like Derrick Thomas or Kevin Greene types who could do it all and just plain rush the passer like those guys. So in the 80's to 90's teams came up with an idea of making everyone a Lawrence Taylor and blitz not just the outside linebackers but everyone. The Giants did this a bit with their linebackers but I think Pittsburgh took it an extra step and would drop lineman into coverage. A new buzzword in the NFL of zone blitzing was now popular.
"...The 3-4 defense originated in the 1940s by legendary Oklahoma coach Bud Wilkinson, in part to compensate for a lack of depth on the defensive line, the 3-4 scheme was slow to make its way to the NFL, and actually might not have gained popularity were it not for the 1970 merger with the AFL.

Many of the AFL teams deployed the 3-4 front and brought it with them in the merger and, by the early 1980s, approximately two-thirds of NFL franchises were deploying it as their primary defense. Even former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Chuck Noll, who had won four Super Bowl titles with the conventional four-man front as his base defense, moved to the 3-4 late in his career.

The preponderance of 3-4 fronts was, in part, attributable to the difficulty in locating defensive linemen. But just as much, it was because coaches believed the 3-4 scheme lent them more flexibility and could be better camouflaged. Because it permitted coaches to employ hybrid-type defenders on the edge -- often undersized college defensive ends who could make the transition to linebacker and play in a two-point stance -- the 3-4 offered the chance to place attacking rushers closer to the line of scrimmage. Most of the great 3-4 linebackers, in fact, have been up-field players capable of attacking the pocket.

But the defense, which requires bigger defensive ends and a nose tackle who can anchor the interior, has also been effective against the run. It is a confusing scheme, difficult to play against because not as many teams use it now, and because it demands that blocking schemes be altered.

In the 1980s and '90s, NFL teams seemed to move away from the 3-4 and back to the more traditional four-linemen scheme. But the success of long-time 3-4 teams (such as Pittsburgh), and coaches (like Bill Belichick of New England), has promulgated a kind of revisiting of the defense. Coaches like the versatility of the front and, as always, it seems easier to locate 240-pound defenders who can chase the ball than it is to unearth a lot of 300-pound linemen.

Two of the three 12-1 teams in the league, New England and Pittsburgh, use the 3-4 look. Three of the four division leaders in the AFC employ it. In all, six teams use the 3-4 as their primary defense now and another four or five teams this year incorporated it into their defensive packages."

-- Len Pasquarelli


If you Believe that Bud Wilkinson created the 3-4 defense in the 1940ís, then you know that he created the 3-4 before OJ Simpson and fast backs made it to the NFL in the 1970ís. Therefore, the 3-4 defense was not created specifically to stop backs like O.J Simpson. I was responding to your statement indicating that the 3-4 defense was designed to stop the running game.
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:53 PM   #37
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But a new breed of running back inspired another switch. In the early 1970's, defenses tied themselves into knots trying to chase down O.J. Simpson and his generation of fast, powerful runners. Defensive linemen at the time were too slow for the job. Defensive coordinators decided that the solution was to put another linebacker on the field. The University of Oklahoma had long used a five-man defensive line on which the two ends were smaller, quicker players who would sometimes take a step or two off the line or drop into coverage. The ends were essentially extra linebackers, so pro teams modified the scheme. Thus, the 3-4 was born.
The 3-4 defense was motivated by two factors: the difficulty in getting good defensive ends, and the need to stop very fast running backs.
"...The 3-4 defense originated in the 1940s by legendary Oklahoma coach Bud Wilkinson, in part to compensate for a lack of depth on the defensive line, the 3-4 scheme was slow to make its way to the NFL, and actually might not have gained popularity were it not for the 1970 merger with the AFL.
It was a 5-2 defense. With two smaller ends. Not like the crappy 5-2 formation in All Pro Football but similar.
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