Could You Live With Multiple Camera Angles If Focus Mode Retained Same View?

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by elgreazy1

Well obviously the developers intended the game to be played without the icons - hence creating the game with a pick-up & play feel by using a simplistic control system mapped to the R-Stick instead of the expected icon-based passing system.

And? Icon based is more difficult and a hindrance to pick up and play? How so?

Because they made a design decision doesn't mean it can't be improved upon.

[elgreazy1]

I feel you're simply arguing in circles now, so I'll simply draw back and leave it at this:

The game was designed to play a certain way and to look a certain way regardless if some people like the direction the developers decided to take. We all agree we'd like options to change or tinker with certain things - cameras, icon passing, etc - but the game is what it is. At the end of the day, I like the game for what it is and how it was intended to be played, and I like the fact that the devs were borderline stubborn and myopic into making a game play, look, and feel so much different from every other football game that it polarizes the community that plays it. Yes, I understand that this could be it's ultimate downfall, but at the same time, it's what makes BB unique. I don't ask Bioshock to play like Red Dead, I don't ask Madden to be 2Ks 1st person football, I don't want Gears to be a like Halo, I don't want NBA 2K to be NBA Jam, etc so along that same logic I wouldn't ask BB become every other football game. In the end, it's all about innovation and hopefully, opening eyes to seeing things a different way.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by elgreazy1

I feel you're simply arguing in circles now, so I'll simply draw back and leave it at this: The game was designed to play a certain way and to look a certain way regardless if some people like the direction the developers decided to take. We all agree we'd like options to change or tinker with certain things - cameras, icon passing, etc - but the game is what it is. At the end of the day, I like the game for what it is and how it was intended to be played, and I like the fact that the devs were borderline stubborn and myopic into making a game play, look, and feel so much different from every other football game that it polarizes the community that plays it. Yes, I understand that this could be it's ultimate downfall, but at the same time, it's what makes BB unique. I don't ask Bioshock to play like Red Dead, I don't ask Madden to be 2Ks 1st person football, I don't want Gears to be a like Halo, I don't want NBA 2K to be NBA Jam, etc so along that same logic I wouldn't ask BB become every other football game.

Great. What's your point? No one is saying take away the ability to play it in it's current format. We're saying add options. If I want to play with icons to select my receiver, it has no affect on you, so why would you be against it? Why would that be a bad thing?

[allBthere]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Great. What's your point? No one is saying take away the ability to play it in it's current format. We're saying add options. If I want to play with icons to select my receiver, it has no affect on you, so why would you be against it? Why would that be a bad thing?

I wouldn't mind "icons" in a sense. looking around with your head mapped to the RS and throwing with buttons...but on the other hand LOVE the CLEAN screen. I love the no hud look and no names, numbers, recticles, and button icons.

I wonder if pre-defining the recievers buttons would work but there is no actual icon? I think that is asking too much of the casual to semi-hardcore gamer though.

I agree with you that I'd like to look where I want, but I also REALLY like how it simulates tunnel vision when you focus in on a guy and most of the other stuff on screen is out of focus.

Possibly it could auto-select a receiver based on where you're looking, but that's problematic too.

On the flip side, playing safety of cb, they really need to de-automize a bit. I don't want to jump half the time and get burned for a big gain...sometiems I'd like to just turn my hips and stick an arm up and be ready to make a tackle.

The controls def need some work.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by allBthere

I wonder if pre-defining the recievers buttons would work but there is no actual icon? I think that is asking too much of the casual to semi-hardcore gamer though.

I was thinking that as well. Like the B button would always be your Z receiver, while the X button would always be your X receiver, etc.

[RaiderKtulu]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Great. What's your point? No one is saying take away the ability to play it in it's current format. We're saying add options. If I want to play with icons to select my receiver, it has no affect on you, so why would you be against it? Why would that be a bad thing?

Let me put it this way - if we knew with 100% certainty that this would be the only Backbreaker game released - no sequels, nothing. Fine, you can have your option. No argument at all. But we don't know that yet. We're hoping for a Backbreaker 2. And what happens to Backbreaker 2 if your "option" is preferred by more people? Those of us that like the current camera could lose it for the next game. Afterall, why devote resources to something no one uses. Look at what happened with Madden and the vision cone.

So, to put it bluntly, we don't want to see the game ruined in the future by "options" now.

Adding in controls to look left & right without affecting your target receiver would be fine. Zooming out and adding icons would not be. Period. End of discussion.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by RaiderKtulu

Let me put it this way - if we knew with 100% certainty that this would be the only Backbreaker game released - no sequels, nothing. Fine, you can have your option. No argument at all. But we don't know that yet. We're hoping for a Backbreaker 2. And what happens to Backbreaker 2 if your "option" is preferred by more people? Those of us that like the current camera could lose it for the next game. Afterall, why devote resources to something no one uses. Look at what happened with Madden and the vision cone. So, to put it bluntly, we don't want to see the game ruined in the future by "options" now. Adding in controls to look left & right without affecting your target receiver would be fine. Zooming out and adding icons would not be. Period. End of discussion.

LOL @ Period end of discussion. As if that was your call.

The rest of this makes zero sense logically. Now you're either just arguing to argue, or just want to defend the game and the devs at all costs. Adding one option doesn't mean they take out the original option. That's chicken little thinking at it's finest.

It's amazing, I have never seen people so ardently defend not having options in a game. It defies logic. I understand the motivation, but come on.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Quote: Originally Posted by RaiderKtulu

Adding in controls to look left & right without affecting your target receiver would be fine. Zooming out and adding icons would not be. Period. End of discussion.

How are you going to have the ability to look left and right without icons. Looking left and right would have to be mapped to the right stick.

Are you going to have people look to the other side of the field then press a mod button to go into right stick switch mode, then shuffle the stick to the receiver. Pro QBs are faster than that and BB's pass rush and pass defense is too strong for something so slow.

It would make more sense to use the right stick as a look button with icons. Then you just press the icon and throw the ball with the right stick. That way you arent throwing to WRs that you arent looking at and its as fast as a real QB's reaction.