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  • #1
    bigeastbumrush
    My Momma's Son
    • Feb 2003
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    Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


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    Pacquiao picked Marquez because the money was bigger, Arum told ESPN.com on Friday.

    Arum said he is guaranteeing Pacquiao $23 million for the fight. Had he faced Bradley again, it would have been "considerably less," according to Arum, who declined to reveal the figure.

    "Because the economics for the Marquez fight were so much greater than for a Bradley rematch, that is what Manny decided to do," Arum said. "It's so much greater because of the support Marquez has from the Hispanic community. Look at the past numbers. When Pacquiao fought Marquez (in November), it sold close to 1.3 million pay-per-view. Bradley was about 900,000. That's a big difference. Plus, the gate goes from probably $8 million to $12 million."

    Freddie Roach, Pacquiao's trainer, said once Cotto turned down an offer, he preferred for Pacquiao to fight Bradley again.

    "Manny knew I would prefer Bradley," Roach said. "I think the money was a huge factor. Bradley doesn't bring the people Marquez does. But I would have rather had revenge for that bad decision in June."
    *facepalm*


    -What happened to Bradley-Pacquiao II?

    -Does Mayweather get a shot at Bradley first fresh out of jail?

    -Does Bradley fight a much bigger Cotto setting up PBF/PAC vs. Cotto II?

    -How does Arum continue to hoodwink the states for these fights? PAC/Marquez is a bigger draw than PAC/Bradley II but the rematch shouldn't be skipped to have these guys fight a fourth time.

    -As good of a salesman he is...there is no angle whatsoever for PBF to try to hype PBF vs. Bradley. That fight would be a joke of a contest and even the most casual of boxing fans know this.

    What happened to this once great sport? It is a circus act between the 2 main promoters and nothing more.
  • #2
    Dos_Santos
    Pro
    • Aug 2012
    • 652

    Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


    Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

    I am a Money guy but I commend Pac for not fighting Bradley again. He absolutely beat Bradley and the only one that benefits from that rematch is Bradley's bank account. That is a step in the right direction for boxing.

    I truly believe Money-Pac will happen in May.

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    • #3
      aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33104

      Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


      Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

      Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
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      *facepalm*


      -What happened to Bradley-Pacquiao II?

      -Does Mayweather get a shot at Bradley first fresh out of jail?

      -Does Bradley fight a much bigger Cotto setting up PBF/PAC vs. Cotto II?

      -How does Arum continue to hoodwink the states for these fights? PAC/Marquez is a bigger draw than PAC/Bradley II but the rematch shouldn't be skipped to have these guys fight a fourth time.

      -As good of a salesman he is...there is no angle whatsoever for PBF to try to hype PBF vs. Bradley. That fight would be a joke of a contest and even the most casual of boxing fans know this.

      What happened to this once great sport? It is a circus act between the 2 main promoters and nothing more.
      Bradley/Pac 2 is dead.

      Mayweather isnt planning to fight again this year.

      Cotto is fighting in December against Austin Trout so no fight against Bradley.

      Bradley is fighting an undetermined opponent in December in NY.

      I dont know what you mean by hoodwink a state or what that would have to do with determining who fights who. Promoters and Sanctioning Bodies make the fights. If Arum and Pac want to do a Fourth Marquez fight, its their call. Also the state of Nevada will be more than happy to take the revenue generated from a Pac/Marquez fight.

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      • #4
        pietasterp
        All Star
        • Feb 2004
        • 6308

        Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


        Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

        Not interested. PPV? Hilarious. Boxing has fallen, and will never get up...

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        • #5
          Dos_Santos
          Pro
          • Aug 2012
          • 652

          Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


          Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

          Originally posted by pietasterp
          Not interested. PPV? Hilarious. Boxing has fallen, and will never get up...

          Boxing has a ton of issues but still drives crazy money. To even dispute this is tantamount to trolling.

          To say it will never get up or is at a point where it is completely down is laughable and uniformed.

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          • #6
            aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33104

            Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


            Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

            Originally posted by pietasterp
            Not interested. PPV? Hilarious. Boxing has fallen, and will never get up...
            Without you this fight will still hit a million buys.

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            • #7
              JayBee74
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2002
              • 22989

              Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


              Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

              Originally posted by pietasterp
              Not interested. PPV? Hilarious. Boxing has fallen, and will never get up...
              Not interested either, mainly because I never was a big Pac fan. Marquez again?-enough already.

              There are a lot of other fights I'd like to see though, including tonight's. Why post in this forum if you don't like boxing?

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              • #8
                BOSsTOwN
                Pro
                • Feb 2003
                • 788

                Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


                Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

                "This game, and series, has nothing but contempt for you (now)"

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                • #9
                  pietasterp
                  All Star
                  • Feb 2004
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                  Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


                  Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

                  Originally posted by aholbert32
                  Without you this fight will still hit a million buys.
                  Originally posted by JayBee74
                  Not interested either, mainly because I never was a big Pac fan. Marquez again?-enough already.

                  There are a lot of other fights I'd like to see though, including tonight's. Why post in this forum if you don't like boxing?

                  I do like boxing....a lot. I guess on further review, my earlier comment came off snippier than I had intended, but I was trying to express my exasperation at a sport that I really like not being able to put together the best bouts in a timely fashion, and the overall haphazard way in which matchmaking occurs. Boxing suffers tremendously from the lack of a real, substantial governing body, and instead lets the promoters run the sport. It's like letting Drew Rosenhaus and Scot Boras run the NFL / MLB. Protecting their investments comes first, second, and third. The multitude of sanctioning bodies that no one cares about or takes seriously are basically there for show; in an ideal situation, a real singular sanctioning body would simply force a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight in much the same way the NFL "forces" the NFL wild-card playoff teams to play each other.

                  As it is, this bout is like making the Packers and Giants play their playoff game again, and again, and again....what's the point? At some point, you just throw your hands up and realize things won't change. That's not to say that compelling fights don't get made in boxing, it's just saying that they happen largely as a matter of financial convenience, not competition.

                  Let's face it...we're all boxing fans here, but boxing is a relatively niche sport in the U.S. at this point. Try to have a boxing conversation with your co-workers tomorrow and see how far you get (unless you work at the IBF or something...). See how many boxers your average person can name. It's even worse for the population under 30 years old - the vast majority of people buying these PPV events are well over the 30+ y.o. range (people with disposable income), not to mention you pretty much have to have HBO and Showtime to even casually follow the spot, which leads to some pretty serious concerns about growing a future fan base. If I bad-mouth boxing, it's not because I'm trying to troll or because I'm uninformed; it's because I think it has great potential (as evidenced by the tremendous popularity it enjoyed for basically the entire history of modern sport in this country), and despite its current ability to generate buys for a select few marquee names and promoters, I don't think that should be mistaken for overall health of the sport.

                  Having said that, count me in the "Marquez won the first 3 fights" camp, and I think he will decisively win #4.
                  Last edited by pietasterp; 09-16-2012, 11:30 AM.

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                  • #10
                    JayBee74
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 22989

                    Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


                    Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

                    Originally posted by pietasterp
                    I do like boxing....a lot. I guess on further review, my earlier comment came off snippier than I had intended, but I was trying to express my exasperation at a sport that I really like not being able to put together the best bouts in a timely fashion, and the overall haphazard way in which matchmaking occurs.
                    I understand. You've made several good comments on this forum...didn't realize who I was quoting.

                    Boxing has many problems, but not enough to stop me from tuning in to potentially great fights.

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                    • #11
                      pietasterp
                      All Star
                      • Feb 2004
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                      Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


                      Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

                      Originally posted by JayBee74
                      I understand. You've made several good comments on this forum...didn't realize who I was quoting.

                      Boxing has many problems, but not enough to stop me from tuning in to potentially great fights.

                      No worries man - my bad for being a bit troll-ish in the earlier comment. Anyway, despite my objections, while I won't buy this fight, I will definitely tune in to the replay on HBO the week after.

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                      • #12
                        bigeastbumrush
                        My Momma's Son
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 19245

                        Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


                        Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

                        Originally posted by JayBee74
                        I understand. You've made several good comments on this forum...didn't realize who I was quoting.

                        Boxing has many problems, but not enough to stop me from tuning in to potentially great fights.
                        Do you consider this a great fight and will you be buying?

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                        • #13
                          JayBee74
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 22989

                          Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


                          Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

                          Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                          Do you consider this a great fight and will you be buying?
                          I don't know where this would rate on a greatness scale, but I'm not interested.

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                          • #14
                            redsrule
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                            • Apr 2010
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                            Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


                            Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

                            Marquez will get robbed again. Not interested personally.
                            Cincinnati Reds University of Kentucky Cincinnati Bengals
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                            • #15
                              Kanobi
                              H*F Cl*ss *f '09
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 6057

                              Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012


                              Re: Pacquiao-Marquez IV: December 8, 2012

                              One of two things will happen in this bout...Marquez will destroy Pac or Vice Versa. No dramatic decision in this one

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