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Old 02-02-2012, 05:52 PM   #1521
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Oh I definitely agree with the fact that kids can be cut. I'm saying that that isn't the case here with Darius Philon and Justin Taylor. They weren't cut. They were asked to enroll in January because of the numbers crunch and with their injuries, they were the ones most likely to be offered that option.

Saban didn't do him a favor by any stretch, but he didn't turn the guy away when he showed up with his bags. He told him the deal with the numbers and offered him another option if he was willing to take it.
I was using the cut example just to make part of my point about business and ethics in college football.

like I said, I don't know what happened, but if the reports of the timing of it were accurate, that's sketchy. I know in the past coaches have waited to the last minute, in hopes of any other school the kid would want to go to, would have already hit their limit so they would have been forced to delay enrollment, or at the very least kept them from going to a rival school. Not sure if that happened here, but it has happened in the past.

My only issue was, this was somehow turned in to Saban did him a favor and should be given sainthood because of his untouchable ethics. Which simply isn't the case.

It happened, it's happened before, and unless the NCAA decides to reform itself it will happen again. It's nice to see at the very least the kids found other places to go.
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:59 PM   #1522
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In regards to "4 year scholarships"..


Academic scholarships are annual. If you don't meet the GPA or hours requirements, your academic scholarship can be taken away or reduced. I never see a public outcry over those.


Athletic scholarships should be no different. If you're given a free ride to a school based on your football ability and expectations, then you should be held accountable if you slack off on or off the field. I don't buy into the 4 year scholarship deal. Players shouldn't get free rides if they do not put forth the effort on the field and off the field.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:08 PM   #1523
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In regards to "4 year scholarships"..


Academic scholarships are annual. If you don't meet the GPA or hours requirements, your academic scholarship can be taken away or reduced. I never see a public outcry over those.


Athletic scholarships should be no different. If you're given a free ride to a school based on your football ability and expectations, then you should be held accountable if you slack off on or off the field. I don't buy into the 4 year scholarship deal. Players shouldn't get free rides if they do not put forth the effort on the field and off the field.
Rarely is effort part of the equation.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:13 PM   #1524
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Whenever a kid verbals to a school, people are always quick to say how it means nothing because that kid can choose to go in a another direction at anytime before he sends that binding LOI in. Well, it goes both ways. Coaches have the right to tell kids "Hey, we're going to go another way on this." You may not like the ethics of it all but like I said, it's the nature of the business. There is no spin required, it is what it is.
So a 17 or 18 year old kid needs to be held to the moral standing of an adult male football coach?


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In regards to "4 year scholarships"..


Academic scholarships are annual. If you don't meet the GPA or hours requirements, your academic scholarship can be taken away or reduced. I never see a public outcry over those.


Athletic scholarships should be no different. If you're given a free ride to a school based on your football ability and expectations, then you should be held accountable if you slack off on or off the field. I don't buy into the 4 year scholarship deal. Players shouldn't get free rides if they do not put forth the effort on the field and off the field.
Most of the time kids are punished because of unattainable expectations. That has nothing to do with effort. 4 and 5 star players all have high expectations and yet most don't live up to it. Should a kid be punished because a head coach misevaluated his talent? That's what happens most of the time, and that's why this practice is shady and unethical. If effort was the reason then Alabama seems to have a huge problem with players not giving effort, but I don't think that's the case.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:37 PM   #1525
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So a 17 or 18 year old kid needs to be held to the moral standing of an adult male football coach?

What are you even talking about?

Edit: on second thought, nevermind.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:40 PM   #1526
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So a 17 or 18 year old kid needs to be held to the moral standing of an adult male football coach?



Most of the time kids are punished because of unattainable expectations. That has nothing to do with effort. 4 and 5 star players all have high expectations and yet most don't live up to it. Should a kid be punished because a head coach misevaluated his talent? That's what happens most of the time, and that's why this practice is shady and unethical. If effort was the reason then Alabama seems to have a huge problem with players not giving effort, but I don't think that's the case.

Robbie Green's scholarship was taken from him due to off the field issues. Same for Darrington Sentimore, etc.

If a guy's only fault is not enough talent to pass those in front of him on the depth chart he won't be "cut" at Alabama. Otherwise guys like Phillip Ely wouldn't be on scholarship.
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Various recruiting sites are saying Diamond is looking to be choosing Auburn tomorrow night.

If so...wow. That is a disgusting O line class yet again by Jeff Grimes.


Diggs appears to be an Ohio State lean now. I'm sure Meyer is selling the whole "you could be my Percy Harvin up here" point to Stefon.
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Yeah I've been ignoring those rumors, and hoping for the best. Because for a while now many say Michigan was the leader. Never know though.
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