Does anyone feel the 360's disc capacity is really limiting sports in general?

[ExtremeGamer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

I still don't see what 2k9 has to do with anything. I was told and shown why The Show would not fit onto a DVD disc. If you don't think any developer would add more to their game if they had the extra capacity... well then, there's nothing more left to say. The reality is they are creating games with the limits of the 360 in mind and porting over.

So, you honestly think that the Sony dev's would show you that they can fit the game on a DVD, therefore saying that they don't really need BD?

[DaveDQ]

If having space was such a benefit, a game like SCEA's NBA 09 would be doing what The Show is doing, and that is establishing itself above the competition. They have BR and the PS3, so we should be seeing spectacular things if that were the determining factor.

We are waiting on sports games, they aren't waiting on us. I mean, how many franchises still do not work properly? It's almost absurd when you look at how many annual releases we have seen from EA, 2K, SCEA etc. and still franchises have serious flaws. We are continuously waiting on a game's next release, anticipating past issues to be dealt with.

[bkfount]

Quote: Originally Posted by The Sim God

not every 360 had a hard drive is a killer so ps3 users get a game that is meant for a system withOUT a hard drive. think about this....... why does EVERY ps3 exclusive game destroy anything xbox or multi platform games that has come out? compare: gran tourismo prologue to forza 2 mlb the show 09 to mlb 2k killzone 2 to gears of war and/or halo all the games on ps3 are superior in every way to the 30 now you may LIKE forza, mlb 2k and/or halo & gears of war......but imagine if they were made on a ps3 how much better they would be 360 is holding this generation back. when developers get hip and start making games for ps3 THEN port what they can to 360 is when this generation will take off

this is a totally laughable fanboy statement. There's great titles on both and the reason PS3 exclusives are better than the multiplatform releases on the ps3 is better support and focused talent. The PS3 is harder to program for, so it's nice to receive special attention and support from Sony to help with this. People often rather give credit to a console instead of the skilled developers making these games.

Not every game will benefit from being made on the ps3 either. Just because there's bluray doesn't mean developers see a point in fully using it, or can even afford to spend the extra time to do so. Gran Turismo 5 has taken more than 5 years to develop, and it still won't be released until 2010 at the earliest. Why? Not every game has such an accommodating schedule, Forza will have had two games released by then, most likely.

No one denies that the ps3 has great looking games. However, it's pretty stupid to declare that anything on the ps3 is "superior in every way" to 360 games. While people argue over how Gears of War and Halo compare to something like Killzone 2, those games were also designed from the ground up to provide the same graphics and performance of the single player campaign in a two or four player spitscreen mode, which takes some hardware power away from pumping up the graphics, effects, animations, etc. That's why the Killzone 2 devs said they didn't want to do it, because they couldn't have made their game look or perform the same. It's all about what developers want to do with their games.

[Altimus]

Quote: Originally Posted by ExtremeGamer

To me, that's 2K's issue. Since they added more stadiums in the game this year, and everything fits. Who knows. Like you said, unless you are working on the game, you don't know. I just feel that anyone can get these games on a DVD, but the BD gives them more freedom. And it does allow them to say, add something that maybe wouldn't be there anywhere else because they can. I do not feel we'd see a different game if Madden was on a BD only though. Not at all.

The bottom line I think that any game can be made on any format. Of course news thing could be added or somethings not there because of limitations, if any.

[Altimus]

Quote: Originally Posted by DaveDQ

If having space was such a benefit, a game like SCEA's NBA 09 would be doing what The Show is doing, and that is establishing itself above the competition. They have BR and the PS3, so we should be seeing spectacular things if that were the determining factor. We are waiting on sports games, they aren't waiting on us. I mean, how many franchises still do not work properly? It's almost absurd when you look at how many annual releases we have seen from EA, 2K, SCEA etc. and still franchises have serious flaws. We are continuously waiting on a game's next release, anticipating past issues to be dealt with.

NBA 09 has many more issues than space could ever solve. Brutal game.

[ExtremeGamer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Altimus

The bottom line I think that any game can be made on any format. Of course news thing could be added or somethings not there because of limitations, if any.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I would welcome the more space to any game. It can't hurt, let's put it that way.

I just don't think multiplatform games would perform any different.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by ExtremeGamer

So, you honestly think that the Sony dev's would show you that they can fit the game on a DVD, therefore saying that they don't really need BD?

So you're saying they're basically lying because it benefits them?

Quote: Originally Posted by DaveDQ

If having space was such a benefit, a game like SCEA's NBA 09 would be doing what The Show is doing, and that is establishing itself above the competition. They have BR and the PS3, so we should be seeing spectacular things if that were the determining factor. We are waiting on sports games, they aren't waiting on us. I mean, how many franchises still do not work properly? It's almost absurd when you look at how many annual releases we have seen from EA, 2K, SCEA etc. and still franchises have serious flaws. We are continuously waiting on a game's next release, anticipating past issues to be dealt with.

NBA 09 is the worst possible example. You'd only use that as an example if you've never played it. A terrible game is a terrible game, no matter the platform. They have deeper issues that are beyond the scope of this thread.

The point is, there's a ceiling these developers have. The ceiling is different because of the limitations mentioned in this thread. This isn't my opinion, this is a technological fact.

Madden is a bad game because of those developing it, not because of technological limitations. However, once Madden starts getting better, who is to say they won't hit their limitations faster because of a DVD compared to BR? It's exactly like having a 50 gb thumb drive and 9gb thumb drive. Different access speeds, organization of data and optimizations isn't going get you past the actual size limitation. You will eventually hit a wall much faster with the smaller thumb drive. You will always store what you can based on your limitations.

And sports games are hurting because of it. Limited commentary is just one example due to BR's size. I'm sure the dedicated GPU in the 360 doesn't help multi-platform games on the PS3. Developers turn on AA very simply and then have to make allowances on the PS3. Again, another example where it is a similar difference. Yet, here I was asking simply about disc size.

[ExtremeGamer]

LOL, where did I say they were lying. Simply, it's easy for them to say it won't fit on a DVD, simply because it won't. But they don't have to worry about working on a DVD with the PS3 version.

Just saying, if they had to, it would be the same game on a DVD. Not trying to argue.