I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

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  • Strategizer
    Rookie
    • Jan 2013
    • 234

    #1

    I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

    I just simmed an entire dynasty and let the CPU handle recruiting. I picked Mizzou and used the default coach (Pinkel is a level 32, with 15 points into recruiting). I looked at the recruit board after I started the season and, other than a handful of one and two stars who really had no business being recruited by them, the board looked solid. There were a good number of 4 and 3 stars across most of the positions, and they had targeted guys who had Mizzou as a top school. I began simming week to week and took note of how the CPU recruited. As the weeks went on, I noticed that the CPU never had a full carry over of points from one week to the next.

    At first I thought it was because of points used to offer scholarships and to scout, but after the first few weeks it was clear the CPU weren't using points for these any more. For those first few weeks, there were about 4,500 of the 6,000 points allocated (Pinkel has the skills for the extra points in the first and second half of the weeks at level 2). As time went on and Mizzou would get a recruit or two, the amount of points from the week before slowly decreased. After a while, the points allocated from the week before was no more than 3,000-3,500 out of 6,000. I investigated the reason for this and this is what I discovered.

    The CPU never had points in more than 10 recruits at a time. Ten was the absolute max. And as the season went on, they were recruiting fewer than that. There were times only 8 or fewer guys actually had points allocated despite no one committing to Mizzou or someone else during the sim to the week, meaning those were the only guys Mizzou had put points toward for that week. And not even all of them had the full 500. Sometimes they would have only 50 or 100 points. So even if the CPU only had 5,000 points to spend, they still wouldn't be using all of their points.

    I think this might explain so many guys going unrecruited. Clearly there is some kind of arbitrary limit per week the CPU places on itself when it recruits. If anyone else would like to test with other schools, please do. I'd like to see if this is how the game is just designed or if every team is somehow different.
  • Wenkinator
    Rookie
    • Aug 2009
    • 232

    #2
    Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

    This may have nothing to do with it, but what difficulty are you recruiting on? Is there a chance the higher the difficulty the lower the cap for points that can be spent by the pc is?
    Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be.

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    • The JareBear
      Be Good To One Another
      • Jul 2010
      • 11560

      #3
      Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

      Originally posted by Wenkinator
      This may have nothing to do with it, but what difficulty are you recruiting on? Is there a chance the higher the difficulty the lower the cap for points that can be spent by the pc is?
      There is no recruiting difficulty
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      • Wenkinator
        Rookie
        • Aug 2009
        • 232

        #4
        Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

        Oh so they changed that. Cool...

        Anyone else noticing this? This would drive me nuts.
        Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be.

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        • brakedownzz
          Rookie
          • May 2013
          • 17

          #5
          Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

          Check and see if you had any needs unfilled. If they were all filled the CPU might stop spending points. Plus the CPU is designed to assist, probably assuming that the user is allocating his/her own points.

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          • thelasthurtknee
            MVP
            • Jun 2003
            • 1459

            #6
            Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

            Originally posted by jaredlib
            There is no recruiting difficulty
            really?? damn. i though i change my recruiting to heisman last night. must of been something else.

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            • Strategizer
              Rookie
              • Jan 2013
              • 234

              #7
              Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

              Originally posted by brakedownzz
              Check and see if you had any needs unfilled. If they were all filled the CPU might stop spending points. Plus the CPU is designed to assist, probably assuming that the user is allocating his/her own points.
              The CPU needs to be recruiting more than just its immediate needs. And like I said, they never spent 5,000 even near the beginning, much less the full 6,000. They also took commitments from a small handful of guys in the 40's and 50's that took up scholarships that should have gone elsewhere. It's possible it was only this way because they were "assisting", but I feel that it is consistent with the lack of attention given a number of good recruits.

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              • brakedownzz
                Rookie
                • May 2013
                • 17

                #8
                Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

                Take a look at your recruiting strategy. Set up your priorities and see if anything is different. Also are you on retail or season ticket?
                Last edited by brakedownzz; 07-08-2013, 12:05 PM. Reason: adding content

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                • dghustla
                  Pro
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 721

                  #9
                  Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

                  keep in mind that scouting points come from the same pool.

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                  • Strategizer
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 234

                    #10
                    Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

                    Originally posted by dghustla
                    keep in mind that scouting points come from the same pool.
                    I covered that in my post.

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                    • Maverick09
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 267

                      #11
                      Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

                      This is something I was afraid was going to happen. Same thing happened in NCAA 13. I'm guessing they do this in order to make recruiting easier for the casual player. I hope it gets patched.

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                      • Strategizer
                        Rookie
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 234

                        #12
                        Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

                        Originally posted by brakedownzz
                        Take a look at your recruiting strategy. Set up your priorities and see if anything is different. Also are you on retail or season ticket?
                        Season ticket. I will set all positions to high priority to see if that increases the points distribution.

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                        • Strategizer
                          Rookie
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 234

                          #13
                          Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

                          Here are some things I've noticed while testing with a new Mizzou dynasty.

                          The CPU fully scouted the top 20 players on its board. Fair enough. When I simmed to week two, the CPU put 500 points into the top ten players on the board and used the remaining 1,000 points for 20 scholarships. Fair enough.

                          When I sim to week three, the problems appear. I see that the CPU has 4,600 of 6,000 points allocated. I see that it scouted no one but offered 8 scholarships at 400 points. This means that the CPU only used 5,000 points the week before. It also reallocated points in a strange way. It took out 1,500 points in players it was leading on who aren't currently being recruited and put them in three players just outside the top ten who are being recruited by other teams. That makes sense. But I also notice that a 4 *, 76 OVR WR only has 100 points allocated to him and Mizzou is losing ground to Wyoming on him now. This leads me to believe the 400 points on scholarships was taken away from him to stay even at 5,000, despite the fact Mizzou has 6,000 to work with. It is also dumb to take those points away from the second highest rated player on the board.

                          I will sim more when I get a chance later today, but this is the kind of thing worrying me.

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                          • bad_philanthropy
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 12167

                            #14
                            Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

                            One explanation I can reason about this rather than it being a bug is that the roster limits of 75 means the cpu's point spending must be limited or they will end up having to cut way too many players year after year. This in turn would mean that many of the better recruits might never end up on a roster at all after the cut down period.

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                            • Strategizer
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 234

                              #15
                              Re: I'm pretty sure the CPU isn't using all of its recruiting points.

                              Originally posted by bad_philanthropy
                              One explanation I can reason about this rather than it being a bug is that the roster limits of 75 means the cpu's point spending must be limited or they will end up having to cut way too many players year after year. This in turn would mean that many of the better recruits might never end up on a roster at all after the cut down period.
                              That might explain a reduction at the end of the season, but it doesn't explain refusing to use it at the beginning of the season. I just simmed to week four, and allowing for one scholarship, the CPU only used 4,900 points total the week before. That is 1,100 points they are not using despite not getting a single commit yet. This leads me to believe the CPU will not take advantage of additional points gained through the skills, which is probably the reason so many high level recruits aren't being recruited. I mean this is at least two recruits per week that Mizzou could be recruiting but aren't. I hope the actual CPU teams aren't handled this way, but I would guess they are.

                              Update: simmed to week 5 and only 4,650 points are allocated. Nine have 500 points, one has 150. No one has been removed from the board yet. There was no change in scholarship offers or players scouted. Unless the CPU can offer scholarships or scout people not on the board, the number of points used is steadily decreasing for no reason.
                              Last edited by Strategizer; 07-08-2013, 02:16 PM.

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