Can pocket passers win the Heisman?

[DorianDonP]

My first dynasty run through, Georgia's Aaron Murray passed for something like 4500 yards and 51 TDs, and led Georgia to a 11-1 record. In the SEC.

I figured for sure he would win the Heisman but when I checked the Heisman finalist he wasn't even listed. He won the Davey O'Brien award but nothing else.

Doing another run through of Dynasty and I'm paying closer attention, and once again Murray is leading the nation in TD throws, has Georgia undefeated, yet he isn't even a candidate yet. I'm in November of my Dynasty.

AJ McCaron is also having a great season statistically, but he isn't a candidate either even though he started the pre-season as one. David Carr's brother is putting up huge numbers and has Fresno ranked in the top 10 but he isn't a candidate either.

There are 5 Heisman contenders, and all of them are dual threat. All of them have less touchdowns and yards than Murray. Manziel of TA&M. Mariota of Oregon. Miller of Ohio State. Bridgewater of Louisville. Boyd of Clemson. Miller is completing like 50% of his passes and Boyd and Clemson have 2 Ls.

I'm starting to believe that it has been coded so that dual threat guys are valued more than pocket passers in the heisman voting. But I'd like some Operation Sports input to see if that hypothesis holds up. Have any of you seen any pocket passers winning the Heisman? Or even being Heisman candidates? I'm talking about players that finish the year with negative rushing yards and less than a handful of rushing TDs.

[BA2929]

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I'm using Tulane and Nick Montana destroyed everyone in passing and passing TDs. He won ALL the post-season QB awards AND was 1st Team All-American. However, he lost the Heisman to a dual threat guy and I don't believe Montana was even on the Heisman list.

So, at least in my experience, your idea holds water.

[The JareBear]

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Nice observation Dorian. I have noticed similar things. The "coding" definitely seems to favor any sort of rushing yards heavier than passing yards/TDs

[BrockOchoGOAT]

Re: Can pocket passers win the Heisman?

My first dynasty run through, Georgia's Aaron Murray passed for something like 4500 yards and 51 TDs, and led Georgia to a 11-1 record. In the SEC.

I figured for sure he would win the Heisman but when I checked the Heisman finalist he wasn't even listed. He won the Davey O'Brien award but nothing else.

Doing another run through of Dynasty and I'm paying closer attention, and once again Murray is leading the nation in TD throws, has Georgia undefeated, yet he isn't even a candidate yet. I'm in November of my Dynasty.

AJ McCaron is also having a great season statistically, but he isn't a candidate either even though he started the pre-season as one. David Carr's brother is putting up huge numbers and has Fresno ranked in the top 10 but he isn't a candidate either.

There are 5 Heisman contenders, and all of them are dual threat. All of them have less touchdowns and yards than Murray. Manziel of TA&M. Mariota of Oregon. Miller of Ohio State. Bridgewater of Louisville. Boyd of Clemson. Miller is completing like 50% of his passes and Boyd and Clemson have 2 Ls.

I'm starting to believe that it has been coded so that dual threat guys are valued more than pocket passers in the heisman voting. But I'd like some Operation Sports input to see if that hypothesis holds up. Have any of you seen any pocket passers winning the Heisman? Or even being Heisman candidates? I'm talking about players that finish the year with negative rushing yards and less than a handful of rushing TDs.

I did an Online Dynasty with a friend where we had to pass every play (don't ask why). Anyway, we both put up MONSTER PASSING stats, were easily #1 and #2 in the O'Brien, but neither of us were even Heisman Finalists. I think that the Heisman formula this year really hurts QBs who do not run.

[BleedGreen710]

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I have seen a pocket passer crack the top 5 during the season, but its really rare

its kinda becoming like that in real life though

troy smith, tim tebow, cam newton, RG3...

[DorianDonP]

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I have seen a pocket passer crack the top 5 during the season, but its really rare

its kinda like that in real life though

troy smith, tim tebow, cam newton, RG3...

Carlson Palmer. Sam Bradford. Matt Leinart. Jason White.

[Td1984]

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Carlson Palmer. Sam Bradford. Matt Leinart. Jason White.

All but Bradford pre-date Troy Smith winning the Heisman. It's becoming really rare to see a pocket passer win it.

[DorianDonP]

Re: Can pocket passers win the Heisman?

All but Bradford pre-date Troy Smith winning the Heisman. It's becoming really rare to see a pocket passer win it.

You can't say something is rare by taking a 4 year sample. Matt Barkley was top 6 in voting in 2011. Kellen Moore was top 4 in voting in 2010. There has been a pocket passer in contention for the award virtually every year. Dual threat heisman winners are def trending upwards, but it's not becoming "rare" for a pocket passer to win it. Not when nearly half of the past decades Heisman winners were pocket passers.

[Allaboutme]

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Not in this years game lol

[BleedGreen710]

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You can't say something is rare by taking a 4 year sample. Matt Barkley was top 6 in voting in 2011. Kellen Moore was top 4 in voting in 2010. There has been a pocket passer in contention for the award virtually every year. Dual threat heisman winners are def trending upwards, but it's not becoming "rare" for a pocket passer to win it.

I get what you're saying but naming pocket passers who didn't win the Heisman trophy doesn't really validate your argument that its not rare for pocket passers to win the Heisman trophy.

[DorianDonP]

Re: Can pocket passers win the Heisman?

I get what you're saying but naming pocket passers who didn't win the Heisman trophy doesn't really validate your argument that its not rare for pocket passers to win the Heisman trophy.

But listing 5 of them that have in the past decade does.

Naming those who didn't win but were in contention was really just pointing out that those players were a win or two away from winning the Heisman, not rushing touchdowns and rushing yards.

[BleedGreen710]

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I think scrambling QBs are the future of college football, and even the NFL.

[ajk49er]

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just simmed a season w/ ball state. my qb had only 400 yards rushing. had 4400 passing, 51 tds, 1 int. he won it.

[B Easy]

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I saw this trend starting last year with NCAA, and its even more prevalent now.

One year, I had USC's Cody Kessler throw 54 touchdown passes, to 16 interceptions, and not be anywhere near Heisman contention. I went undefeated that year, and won the National Championship. I figured it HAD to be the fact that he did not put up any rushing statistics. How for the life of me, the star QB putting up those kinds of numbers for a national powerhouse doesn't even sniff top 5 in the Heisman race is beyond, well beyond me...

[BigMoneyAllDay]

Re: Can pocket passers win the Heisman?

I saw this trend starting last year with NCAA, and its even more prevalent now.

One year, I had USC's Cody Kessler throw 54 touchdown passes, to 16 interceptions, and not be anywhere near Heisman contention. I went undefeated that year, and won the National Championship. I figured it HAD to be the fact that he did not put up any rushing statistics. How for the life of me, the star QB putting up those kinds of numbers for a national powerhouse doesn't even sniff top 5 in the Heisman race is beyond, well beyond me...

Okay if someone throws 54 passes they at least have to be CONSIDERED for the Heisman. Jesus EA just because its become less common doesn't mean you need to take it out a game.