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[Pared]

...and you result to sales. (Like I didn't see that one coming) It was only a matter of time. Let it go. You've obviously missed the point.

Sales =/= satisfaction.

Love how you ignore the fact sales this year on the 360 were less compared to last year. And don't try and spin it as I'm equating that to a less satisfied customer. Just pointing out the convenient fact that people post numbers to try and prove their point, no matter how poor the correlation.

EA is reaching out to "us" because of the lack of consumer satisfaction. You'll see this eventually. Maybe not this month, but you're in for an eye opener next year.

[fistofrage]

Regardless of who's right or wrong on this topic, NCAA football is worse now than it was/is on the PS2 and that shouldn't be happening.

Granted, there are things that I do not like about College Hoops, but at least the player models look better than last gen, the menus are quick and crisp, you can edit things easily, make substitutions easily, there is presentation, a preseason show, players warming up before the game, halftime conversation & replays, etc. Except for the foul system, it does pretty much everything better on the 360 than the PS2.

Now take NCAA football, except for FG's and pursuit angles, EVERY LAST Thing is better on the PS2 version. Sad, Sad, Sad....And if people can't see that they are not looking at this game objectively.

[parker002]

Quote: Originally Posted by fistofrage

Regardless of who's right or wrong on this topic, NCAA football is worse now than it was/is on the PS2 and that shouldn't be happening. Granted, there are things that I do not like about College Hoops, but at least the player models look better than last gen, the menus are quick and crisp, you can edit things easily, make substitutions easily, there is presentation, a preseason show, players warming up before the game, halftime conversation & replays, etc. Except for the foul system, it does pretty much everything better on the 360 than the PS2. Now take NCAA football, except for FG's and pursuit angles, EVERY LAST Thing is better on the PS2 version. Sad, Sad, Sad....And if people can't see that they are not looking at this game objectively.

NCAA 2008 on the XBox 360 is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT superior to both NCAA 2006 and NCAA 2005 on the XBox.

The simple fact is that EVERY version of this game after 2004, for every platform, has some kind of enjoyment-killing, show-stopping bug.

And yes, College Hoops is superior to NCAA in almost every way. Unfortunately, 2K doesn't do football.

[parker002]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

...and you result to sales. (Like I didn't see that one coming) It was only a matter of time. Let it go. You've obviously missed the point. Sales =/= satisfaction. Love how you ignore the fact sales this year on the 360 were less compared to last year. And don't try and spin it as I'm equating that to a less satisfied customer. Just pointing out the convenient fact that people post numbers to try and prove their point, no matter how poor the correlation.

It's simple statistics.

Declining sales can absolutely be an indicator of decling satisfaction.

Nevertheless, the sales figures are still higher than they've ever been before. ODogg's assertion is that the vast majority of gamers are satisfied enough with this game to continue buying it, and he's absolutely correct.

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

EA is reaching out to "us" because of the lack of consumer satisfaction. You'll see this eventually. Maybe not this month, but you're in for an eye opener next year.

EA is reaching out to us as a token gesture of good faith, just like they've done before.

Nothing is going to change as long as this game continues to sell like hotcakes.

[DonkeyJote]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

...and you result to sales. (Like I didn't see that one coming) It was only a matter of time. Let it go. You've obviously missed the point. Sales =/= satisfaction. Love how you ignore the fact sales this year on the 360 were less compared to last year. And don't try and spin it as I'm equating that to a less satisfied customer. Just pointing out the convenient fact that people post numbers to try and prove their point, no matter how poor the correlation. EA is reaching out to "us" because of the lack of consumer satisfaction. You'll see this eventually. Maybe not this month, but you're in for an eye opener next year.

If they sell a lot of games, why the hell would they risk that by making sweeping changes to the game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And if they sell that many copies, obviously it isn't broke enough for people not to buy it.

Another sign that overall people are satisfied are the game stores. I got to gamestop and I see maybe one or two copies of madden, and maybe 2 or 3 NCAA. Also, at blockbuster, they still have a lot of display boxes on the shelves, which tells me the games are still renting pretty well, so they haven't stuck them on the games for sale shelf yet.

I like the game, but it has problems. But the people that post on these boards are not the majority. Most people don't care much about realism. Most of them don't touch sliders. They just want to have fun, and the game doesn't have to mirror the real thing to accomplish that.

I agree that football games have fallen behind the times. The improvement in football games has slowed to a crawl. 08 is the first year I've played the next-gen football games, and I am pleased with them (especially Madden post-patch). There are features that need to be added, and I would expect some of them to be put in next year (like alternate uniforms). I thought 2k did a great job with their football and baseball games this year, and that those two sports have caught (baseball) and passed (basketball) football games as being the best representations of their sport. But sales are what EA is after (just like EVERY company), and if the game sells well, they would be stupid to switch their focus.

Also the sales being down from last year is not a fair comparison. You have to compare it to other games this year. It is common knowledge that the economy is not doing so well this year, and sales of products of every kind are down. So I am sure they projected the sales of Madden being down. It could've been the best game ever and it might have very well been down a bit anyway.

[ODogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

lol I can't get through to you. You sound like you're marketing the game at this point instead of having a discussion. Go to any, ANY website and you'll see the same theme. Speak to any person in a game store and bring up the old versus new thing and you'll see that reoccurring theme again. Your family doesn't count, O. I bet you brainwashed them.

Bottom line - sales numbers make my case for me

[ODogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by parker002

It's quite simple. We don't matter. The hardcore football sim gamer represents a fraction of 1% of the number of people that are buying these games. It's not gonna change.

Finally someone who gets it, it's not about defending the game, it's about explaining the logic behind why EA is not going to make sweeping changes because everyone is so darned frustrated with the game. Everyone is NOT frustrated with the game, only a very small percentage, namely a lot of the hardcore footballers, especially the OS'ers. Some of you need to really see the world for what it is instead of seeing the world only from your single vantage point and assuming that things are based upon that view.

[woodjer]

Guys, guys, guys...let's all take a deep breath.

I like the game; you don't. You say that I settle for mediocrity; I say that you get too worked up over a game. I'll probably buy it next year (if it looks decent); you swear you'll never buy it again (if it doesn't get better). Bottom line, why do y'all care how other people feel about the game or how other people spend their money?

On topic: gee whiz, I'd like to have alternate unis.