Apology to OMT - We have been hard

[bcruise]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

I disagree wholeheartedly. Go back and look again. The coverage in the demo actually was better.

Just a thought (and I don't mean to sidetrack the thread) - Could that be because the demo is locked on Varsity? Have any of the ones who saw this in the demo tried the full game on Varsity?

Just bringing it up because on Varsity cpu-only games, I see a surprising number of kickoffs only make it to around the 30. It looks like a very different game to me on the lower levels. I can see how it would be too easy for a lot of people, though.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by bcruise

Just a thought (and I don't mean to sidetrack the thread) - Could that be because the demo is locked on Varsity? Have any of the ones who saw this in the demo tried the full game on Varsity? Just bringing it up because on Varsity cpu-only games, I see a surprising number of kickoffs only make it to around the 30. It looks like a very different game to me on the lower levels. I can see how it would be too easy for a lot of people, though.

That's an excellent point. I have never played on anything lower than AA since I bought the full version but the demo was certainly on Varsity.

How ridiculous would that be, eh? The AI pursues defenders on the lower difficulties in a more realistic fashion than on the higher difficulty levels.

[Anti Honor]

Quote: Originally Posted by fistofrage

Yeah, I'm not apologizing for giving EA $60 of my hard earned money. They released a broken game, they misrepresented what the kick coverage would be like in the demo, we had to discover the sliders were broken, they wouldn't have told us. They daid the pass rush would be tweaked. The list goes on and on. I've already spent countless hours trying to make this game playable up to standards that were on the PS2. But I can't. In fact, I'm still waiting for EA's apology for rushing a game out the door that they admit shipped in a broken state. Give me a break.

Agreed.

I can take a few bugs and glitches, but I paid 60 dollars, and I sure as hell didn't pay that thinking the entire slider feature was going to come broken, as well as the rosters. Bashing the guy and the game because my d-line doubles back when he has a clear shot at the quarterback, which happens like twice per game for me, is being hard on the game - expecting the rosters and sliders to work on day one, so we can play the game, isn't really expecting too much, in my opinion.

I'm not expecting OMT to apologize for anything - fixing the rosters and sliders via a patch, will be sufficient. I won't be apologizing either - I did my part when I bought the game. Now I want it to work.

[Skulletor]

some of the bugs in this game are inexcusable

EA deserves all the heat its getting over it

ultimately sales will be the true judgement, and early reports indicate YOY sales are down

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

I disagree wholeheartedly. Go back and look again. The coverage in the demo actually was better.

I can't go look again because I deleted the demo. I am going off memory, which may not be as good as it was, but in my humble opinion, the kick coverage is the same in the retail as the demo. I also remember it being the biggest concern of those who played the demo.

Maybe it is different, I don't have the ability to go back and look. Well I do, but I am not downloading the demo to look.

If you guys say its different and was better in the demo then I believe you.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bootzilla

I just played the demo to compare and indeed the kick coverage is different. The guys on the kickoff team closest to the sidelines angle toward the ball carrier. They do not run straight up the field creating huge running lanes. They simply do not. Also, the demo played so well that one could very well draw a conclusion based on years of previous efforts that the final product ON THE FIELD would be very good. Are we to assume that sliders wouldn't work when they've at least worked to some degree in the past? With the pass rush issue it was my belief that sliders weren't available at the time the community guys played it and that could be remedied by lowering the pass block slider.

I'll take your word that the kick coverage was better in the demo vs the retail because I deleted the demo and have no way of going back to look. I was going off memory and what the board was saying during the demo.

As for sliders, there is no way people could've known they were messed up. I agree with you.

Quote: Originally Posted by bootzilla

Everyone has free will to purchase or not purchase a product. But, consumers on these boards are saying that it's the consumer's fault that he's upset with an admittedly (by company representatives themselves) faulty game. That's insane.

I never said its the consumer's fault that they are upset per se. I just said that I don't understand the I was robbed of $60 argument/criticism.

[MelR2000]

Quote: Originally Posted by fistofrage

Yeah, I'm not apologizing for giving EA $60 of my hard earned money. They released a broken game, they misrepresented what the kick coverage would be like in the demo, we had to discover the sliders were broken, they wouldn't have told us. They daid the pass rush would be tweaked. The list goes on and on. I've already spent countless hours trying to make this game playable up to standards that were on the PS2. But I can't. In fact, I'm still waiting for EA's apology for rushing a game out the door that they admit shipped in a broken state. Give me a break.

I totally agree and there are some really good elements to this game. BUT, it should not have been released in its state PERIOD. No joke,this company has a bad reputation for a reason...they earned it.
Now Ian and OMT seem really sincere, BUT this is not right, and no we did not have unrealistic expectation, just wanted a game that made us "feel" we were playing college football...this ain't it!! WE DESERVE AN APOLOGY>

[Solidice]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

I can't go look again because I deleted the demo. I am going off memory, which may not be as good as it was, but in my humble opinion, the kick coverage is the same in the retail as the demo. I also remember it being the biggest concern of those who played the demo. Maybe it is different, I don't have the ability to go back and look. Well I do, but I am not downloading the demo to look. If you guys say its different and was better in the demo then I believe you.

i wouldn't say the kick coverage was better, just different. i remember getting TDs very easily. but its had to really look at that being it on varsity. all you had to do was start up the middle, stutter step and spin outside and your gone. the gunners went too far inside.

in the retail, its the opposite to that. the outside guys stay outside and it creates a hole up the middle. makes for easy yards/TDs as well.