well..I don't go for cheese...unless its a grilled cheese .....that why I got away from madden. I was going to get APF but, couldn't find it at Gamestop. The only Gamestop's that had it was in VA and TN and I live in KY. So I got Ncaa 09 to see if I want to get 10. I like the online dynasty and I love to run old skool smash mouth option and I always build my team around my style of play.