Is Rolling Out/Scrambling supposed to be cheese?

[capp34]

No its not cheese...cheesing is abusing programming/A.I issues. If someone scrambling they are not cheesing. What they are doing is exploiting your defense and your refusal adjust/change your defense.
Its not like the game doesn't give you the tools to be successful.

[Football4Natic]

Quote: Originally Posted by ftball11

If you are talking about a true “sim” experience, then rolling out even though the play is not designed as a roll out, otherwise known as “scrambling”, is not cheese. In real life, QBs do scramble to get better passing lanes and to allow receivers to break off their routes if no one is open. Likewise, there have been QBs over the years who feel more comfortable throwing on the run, rather than sitting in the pocket. However, since this game does not accurately portray the high risk involved with scrambling, thus allowing a player to use it as “cheese”, I would say it would be acceptable for a player using a scrambling QB to scramble or run as much as he wants. But to do the same with a pocket passer would be considered “cheese” to me.

I think you got scrambling and roll outs all confused my friend

Roll out is designed...Scrambles are when you feel the pressure and you scramble with the qb

No qb in any team in america will roll out on every single pass play and then run on an angle towards the sideline


Here is a video I made showing exactly what he was doing the whole game.



http://beta.easports.com/media/play/video/7679719

[Football4Natic]

Quote: Originally Posted by capp34

No its not cheese...cheesing is abusing programming/A.I issues. If someone scrambling they are not cheesing. What they are doing is exploiting your defense and your refusal adjust/change your defense. Its not like the game doesn't give you the tools to be successful.

Like I said...That is abusing...

Do you know what scrambling and rolling out means...Do you realize that they are 2 diff things..

I dont care if somebody scrambles when pressure is on...

But rolling out while having your hb move in motion to the flats and sprinting out of the snap with the qb using your sprint button is not realistic and no defense can stop that on a consistent basis unless i resort to cheese tactics and move players out of position which then defeats the purpose of sim ball..get it

[JerseySuave4]

Quote: Originally Posted by Football4Natic

That is funny coming from you since the first sign that i saw you were a cheese player is the fact that in your first drive i stopped you on 3rd down at your own 49 and you had 4th and inches and you went for it with one of your regular roll outs.. Yea really Fair....

while the other things you said seem legit, i see nothing wrong with going for 4th & inches from your own 49. Charlie Weis does it all the time. If its 4th and inches, being a football coach, that seems like a legit time to go for it on 4th down to me.

Quote: Originally Posted by Football4Natic

Ok this thread is about me. I played the OP today after he sent me a friend request from the thread I created about wanting to play SIM players on-line He went for it on 4th down in his own side of the field because he needed inches only. In the first quarter I punted on the 36 yard line of his side on 4th and 1

sorry but these two things make you seem like you're not too bright when it comes to football. I already talked about 4th & inches from your own 49 is a legit time to go for it on 4th.

But you punted on 4th & 1 from HIS 36???????
I'm sorry but that is flat out TERRIBLE coaching and strategy. A 53 yard field goal does seem like a stretch (although not really in this game) but why would you punt? Go for it. Its 1 yard. If you can't get 1 yard on 4th & 1 on the 36 then you dont deserve to win.

Your other gripes seem legit but those 2 things are not, they make you sound like youre trying too hard to be sim.

[Football4Natic]

Quote: Originally Posted by JerseySuave4

while the other things you said seem legit, i see nothing wrong with going for 4th & inches from your own 49. Charlie Weis does it all the time. If its 4th and inches, being a football coach, that seems like a legit time to go for it on 4th down to me. sorry but these two things make you seem like you're not too bright when it comes to football. I already talked about 4th & inches from your own 49 is a legit time to go for it on 4th. But you punted on 4th & 1 from HIS 36??????? I'm sorry but that is flat out TERRIBLE coaching and strategy. A 53 yard field goal does seem like a stretch (although not really in this game) but why would you punt? Go for it. Its 1 yard. If you can't get 1 yard on 4th & 1 on the 36 then you dont deserve to win. Your other gripes seem legit but those 2 things are not, they make you sound like youre trying too hard to be sim.

excuse me how does that make me to sim....first of all if it is 4th and inches...great chance you are going goal line offense or a run up the middle. if you stack the box you can get a great shot at stopping you..

also i said to myself. I can pin him deep which I did and play defense and get the ball back with great field position...is called smart thinking as well.

I dont care if Charlie Weiss goes for it...What is his record...

and i was pointing out the fact that he wrote...that he considers going for it on 4th down cheese....

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by kenmasters06

As someone who also plays Street Fighter online as well (and have to deal with something similar to this all the time), if you can't develop a strategy to deal with a particular cheese tactic, well, maybe you're just not that good.

You simply don't get it...
We don't want to play that way. We like real football not "OK how do we stop the cheese today"

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Football4Natic

Ok this thread is about me. I played the OP today after he sent me a friend request from the thread I created about wanting to play SIM players on-line He sent me a request and we played. Here is my report from our game where I quit in the 3rd quarter of an unranked game after I could not and would not deal with his style of play: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...all-360-a.html The guy is not SIM at all. I have played in tons of leagues and hardcore players online from here and other forums and follow SIM rules that have been around for a while on leagues. He picks the Gators. Fine... But he is lying about rolling out to create passing lanes. The play is not designed to roll out. He takes the shotgun snap and rolls out using turbo to the right in an agnle towards the sidelines and hits crosses and swing passes to the HB Sorry but that is just lame. He then sends me a message after I quite that he is not going to just sit in the pocket and get sacked. Yet another lame excuse His stats that he posted dont show the truth. First of all he never ran the ball in a convetional way. His rb had only catches in the flat and no regular run formation. He went for it on 4th down in his own side of the field because he needed inches only. In the first quarter I punted on the 36 yard line of his side on 4th and 1 He went 21-25 passing and all were done the same way. Rolling out with the sprint button and putting his hb in motion to the left and right and then rolling out with Teabow On defense he pinches in the d-line and blitzes on every play. I dont care if he blitzes. If the blitz is designed then so be it My qb ran a bit to escape the rush. but i ran in the pocket. I stepped up in the pocket and he got me for losses. but i never ran outside with a fast qb that i have to abuse the defense. This is a pointless argument on his part. Because his message to me that he is not going to take sacks therefore he scramble to the right when the play is not designed like that says it all.. If he likes that style then fine..Just not for me And I dont care if somebody claims you can counter cheese. I dont play on-line for bragging rights. i play to find sim games. The worst excuse is the terms he used I scramble on every play to open up passing lanes.. THis is not NFL TOur.... THis is ncaa and I asked for a sim game...

Exactly. It's not about finding ways to stop cheesers but rather not playing them.
Pathetic people...

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by capp34

No its not cheese...cheesing is abusing programming/A.I issues. If someone scrambling they are not cheesing. What they are doing is exploiting your defense and your refusal adjust/change your defense. Its not like the game doesn't give you the tools to be successful.

Rolling out while turboing right after the snap isn't scrambling.....
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