Celebrations: Step Your Game Up, EA

[Bloppy]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnrice20022002

Lovin' this years NCAA 11 right now. Been playing the demo religiously since it dropped. But I'm having hard time watching the fruits of my athletic labor become mightily stale... I'm talking bout celebrations after touchdowns, sacks, safeties, last second miracles etc. Quality-wise, they're all pretty good this year. But there's definitely room for improvement. It looks and feels unnatural to have to run across the entire field to celebrate with the mascot or wait for ONE slow-butt teammate after a 75-yard TD scamper so you can high five, shimmy, then walk away like nothing just happened Straight up cut-scenes next year, no real-time wackness. Cut-scenes drastically improve editing as well, giving us a seamless football experience Some examples, Generic Touchdown Scene should be: 1. Big Play 2. Cut Straight To Celebration Scene 3. Cut to Crowd Scene (Optional) 4. Cut to Playcall Screen 5. Extra-Point 6. Sideline Shot (Big Play Only) 7. Cut to Playcall-Screen Momentum Shifters (Sack, Interception, 4th Down Stop) 1. Big Play 2. Cut to Triggered Player/Crowd/Coach Celebration 3. ESPN Replay 4. Crowd Shot(Optional) 5. Cut to Playcall Screen EPIC Fail/Success (Game-Winning Field Goal, Touchdown, Interception etc) 1. Big Play 2. Long Cut-Scene (Players celebrating/dejected on field, Coaches shaking hands, Crowd Shots, etc.) 3. Post-game Re-cap 4. End game Screen Now, WHAT needs to be added: -AT LEAST 40 standard celebration scenes for touchdowns, majority being team-oriented (high five, knocking helmets, 3 or 4 dudes getting hyped etc.) and the rest being what we see every Saturday( pointing to sky, on the knees praying, I can't hear you etc." - Team-oriented celebrations after turnovers, sacks, swats, big catches. It's college football, guys. When a DB picks off an errant pass, there's bound to be a teammate there to pat him on the back, bump chests, high five or just get silly-hyped w/ him. - Sideline celebrations. Saw a few in the demo, standard broadcast style. Add at least 10 more scenes of players talking to each other, the camera, or the head coach/assistant coach giving his pigskin pupils some encouragement after an awesome play. - 10 team-specific celebrations triggered through button-presses. Let's kick it old school like NCAA 05. Examples: Individual, one teammate, two teammates, three teammates and an "extreme" version w/ possible penalty) I know the "Organization" may not like it, but damn it, WE do. - Double the amount of crowd shots. I'm tired of watching the same 10 people clap, raise their hands, talk to each other, then sit down. Good quality, Increased Quantity - Situation-specific celebration. 4th and goal on the one yard line with 10 seconds left, down by 6...Game-winning field goal...80 yard, last-second, Kordell-to-Westbrook Hail-Mary... 50 yard scamper with no time left...PANDE-FREAKING-MONIUM. No more wide shots of the stadium then the generic end-game cutscenes. I want to feel like I just won, or lost, something big after giving away 20-60 minutes of my short life lol. - End Game Celebrations: Major league improvement this year. I'm liking the team specific ones (The U, Horns, Seminole Chop). Add in at least 5 more generic celebrations, then I'll be good. Variety, baby Give us these enhancements, EA, along with this year's gameplay and presentation improvements, and you'll get my money next year. Like Men's Wearhouse, "I guarantee it".

Amen. Amen. Amen.

[King Gro23]

How about half and half, certain lengthy celebrations cut-scened once triggered. Others real time like point to sky, knee, flex, Role call,heck lets get the jerk in too!

[Deegeezy]

Quote: Originally Posted by HokieB

They also need a score ticker at the bottom with scores and stats from around your Dynasty. And some more interesting stat overlays (upcoming schedule, top 25, etc.)

This alone would add a TON to dynasty mode. They had this on PS2's version. I think they should step it up a notch and have it CONSTANTLY on the screen just like real life. This would really make it feel like you're not the only team in your dynasty playing on Saturday.

[twigstudios]

Agreed. I for one love cut scenes. And I do wish that a lot of the presentation that was on the PS2 was on the next gen. I kind of find it weird that no coaches shake hands after the game. And I would like a ESPN score ticker during the game. And incorporate some of the broadcast style of MLB The Show, NBA2K and NCAA Basketball 10. They both have great fade to commercial breaks.

[MrScoopmaster]

They should for sure add flags for over celebrating back.It adds something extra to the game.A few years back i lost a game cause after my DB batted down a pass on fourth down he decided to celebrate.Of course he got flagged they got the first down which put them in field goal range and my friend kicked a last second field goal. One of the most exciting games we ever played.That was in Ncaa 06 i think and i still get pissed when he mentions it.

[johnrice20022002]

Quote: Originally Posted by twigstudios

Agreed. I for one love cut scenes. And I do wish that a lot of the presentation that was on the PS2 was on the next gen. I kind of find it weird that no coaches shake hands after the game. And I would like a ESPN score ticker during the game. And incorporate some of the broadcast style of MLB The Show, NBA2K and NCAA Basketball 10. They both have great fade to commercial breaks.

Awesome idea. I definitely like how MLB The Show incorporated the fade out/in. It's the "little things" like that which add value to a sports sim.

Also, to comment on the cutscene vs. real-time conversation, if the current implementation of real-time celebration were cleaned up (especially with the case of multiple teammates/searching for mascots) then I'd definitely be a proponent.

The problem is we actually have to go "find" people/mascots to celebrate with. The lag in between scoring and celebrating ruptures the smooth, streamline experience you were having when building up that scoring drive, or taking back the key interception for a TD.

Who really wants to run damn near 40 yards to celebrate with the mascot every time?
Or trigger a celebration and have the player simply throw the ball down, look around and walk away?

It's college football baby. Euphoria and despair trade shots with each other for 60 minutes every Saturday from September to January. I'd sure like to see this well-represented on the virtual gridiron.

[jmik58]

I definitely think more needs to be done to capture the emotion of the NCAA game.

I don't know if players celebrating is the answer, because that's not something that has as much a place in the college game. That's more for NFL. That being said, I'm cool with giving people the option to celebrate big time because it does happen sometimes and the penalty flags fly.

I like where you're coming from with the atmosphere and raw emotion of it. I want my living room to shake with the sounds of the game.

EA hasn't captured what it really sounds like in a college football stadium.

In my opinion, the one thing that really makes the presentation "real" is SOUND.

What makes a scary movie scary? Sound (the lack of it, the proper use of it, etc) This includes music.

I would also like to see zoomed out views of the stadium on replays. Imagine scoring a long touchdown and the replay is a birds eye view over the stadium. You see the play start to unfold and the rumble of the crowd starts to pick up. You break into the clear and you can visually see the SEA OF PEOPLE stand to their feet all throughout the stadium and the sound just starts to ROAR and it's pure craziness.

EA has all these zoomed in views of EVERYTHING. There is a lot of power and emotion that comes from a surreal perspective. College football isn't about the fan or the player or any person. It's about fans, players, people...all plural. It's about the interaction of thousands of people and what it does to your insides when you're a part of those thousands of people.

Something as simple as showing a replay from the perspective of the fan viewing the game would be awesome. Show a family in the living room watching the game and celebrating or hanging their heads and yelling at the t.v. Show a sports bar erupting. Show the streets outside, the parking lot, the tailgate parties. Show a guy at the concession stand getting crazy and spilling his lemonade (or beer) because he just saw the big replay on the monitor by the snack shack.

I could go on and on, but this is what presenting the college experience would be like for me.

[johnrice20022002]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmik58

I definitely think more needs to be done to capture the emotion of the NCAA game. I don't know if players celebrating is the answer, because that's not something that has as much a place in the college game. That's more for NFL. That being said, I'm cool with giving people the option to celebrate big time because it does happen sometimes and the penalty flags fly. I like where you're coming from with the atmosphere and raw emotion of it. I want my living room to shake with the sounds of the game. EA hasn't captured what it really sounds like in a college football stadium. In my opinion, the one thing that really makes the presentation "real" is SOUND. What makes a scary movie scary? Sound (the lack of it, the proper use of it, etc) This includes music. I would also like to see zoomed out views of the stadium on replays. Imagine scoring a long touchdown and the replay is a birds eye view over the stadium. You see the play start to unfold and the rumble of the crowd starts to pick up. You break into the clear and you can visually see the SEA OF PEOPLE stand to their feet all throughout the stadium and the sound just starts to ROAR and it's pure craziness. EA has all these zoomed in views of EVERYTHING. There is a lot of power and emotion that comes from a surreal perspective. College football isn't about the fan or the player or any person. It's about fans, players, people...all plural. It's about the interaction of thousands of people and what it does to your insides when you're a part of those thousands of people. Something as simple as showing a replay from the perspective of the fan viewing the game would be awesome. Show a family in the living room watching the game and celebrating or hanging their heads and yelling at the t.v. Show a sports bar erupting. Show the streets outside, the parking lot, the tailgate parties. Show a guy at the concession stand getting crazy and spilling his lemonade (or beer) because he just saw the big replay on the monitor by the snack shack. I could go on and on, but this is what presenting the college experience would be like for me.

Like George Lucas says, "The sound and music are 50% of the entertainment in a movie"

Definitely agree with you. A booming 5.1 surround sound mix replete with crowd noise, on the field talk, dynamic volume control when a great play/bad play occurs would add much to the experience.

The wide angle shots during replays would also be a sick idea. I'm wondering how well they could implement the feature without introducing lag or graphical issues

Crowd POV shots would be exceptionally cool for big TD runs.

I still believe celebrations shoud be a large part though, taking into consideration how relatively simple it is to add them.

The NFL is more geared toward Individual celebrations. That's why I'm calling for a majority of "team-oriented" celebrations. Look no further than highlights from the Alabama-Texas national championship game. Every score, sack and interception had a celebration involving at least 2-3 players.