Recruiting Gem Tips

[lilpuppy99]

Who was the guy who was going to post the recruiting tips? This thread has turned from a Recruiting Gem tip thread to a "Here's the Gem I found" thread.

Here's the thread for posting your Gems that you found. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ems-busts.html

[illwill10]

I think a good way to know who the 3 star players that are gems is to look at what teams are are going after him. If there are good/great schools, then most likely is a high gem.

I had this 3 star 63 OVR MLB on my board and I was 1st on the boards, so I never scouted him because MLB was a need. Then the next week, ALA passed me to be #1. So, I scouted that MLB and he became a 74(+11) Gem. Now I am trying to recruit him like crazy. But, he is from ALA and has a Soft Commit

[msuduo]

Gems come all over. Some may have BCS schools after him, some may not. Some may be 1 or 4 or any stars. I don't think there is a way to find them. You just have to scout and get some luck.

I've had BCS teams land a bust and I've has gems go completely untouched

[jarato]

I found that this chart helps if the letter grades aren't correlating.

Quote: Originally Posted by eurojjj19

I did some testing last night scouting 20 players fully. Here's a chart to use: SQT-S = Squat for skill players SQT-L = Squat for Lineman and Linebackers =========================================== spd str btk/tck rb/tck 40 BNCH SQT-S SQT-L RAT GRD =========================================== 4.24 xxx 445 795 99 A+ 4.26 xxx 440 785 98 A+ 4.28 xxx 435 775 97 A+ =========================================== 4.30 xxx 430 765 96 A 4.32 xxx 425 755 95 A 4.34 515 420 745 94 A =========================================== 4.36 509 415 735 93 A- 4.38 503 410 725 92 A- =========================================== 4.40 497 405 715 91 B+ 4.42 491 400 705 90 B+ 4.44 485 395 695 89 B+ 4.46 480 390 690 88 B+ =========================================== 4.48 474 385 680 87 B 4.50 468 380 670 86 B 4.52 462 375 665 85 B 4.54 456 370 655 84 B =========================================== 4.56 450 365 645 83 B- 4.58 444 360 640 82 B- 4.60 438 355 630 81 B- 4.62 432 350 620 80 B- =========================================== 4.64 426 345 610 79 C+ 4.66 420 340 605 78 C+ 4.68 414 335 595 77 C+ 4.70 408 330 585 76 C+ =========================================== 4.72 402 325 580 75 C 4.74 396 320 570 74 C 4.76 390 315 560 73 C 4.78 384 310 555 72 C =========================================== 4.80 378 305 545 71 C- 4.82 372 300 535 70 C- 4.84 366 295 525 69 C- =========================================== 4.86 360 290 520 68 D+ 4.88 354 285 510 67 D+ 4.90 348 280 500 66 D+ =========================================== 4.92 342 275 495 65 D 4.94 336 270 485 64 D 4.96 330 265 475 63 D 4.98 325 260 470 62 D 5.00 319 255 460 61 D 5.02 313 250 450 60 D =========================================== Also to clarify what each is for..... 40: is the speed rating BNCH: is the str rating SQT-S: is tackle for defense and break tackle for offense, this is skill players. SQT-L: is tackle for defense and run block for offense, this is lineman and linebackers.

From what I saw, the 40 times presented are relatively accurate. If you look up a guys 40 on the chart, then if his letter grade for speed in his skills page is higher than the corresponding letter grade from the chart, he has a pretty good chance to see his speed increase after you scout him. As for bench press/strength I didn't really see a correlation. But for squat I saw the strongest correlation. It lines up nearly perfectly with a players tackling or run blocking rating after scouting. I had a different chart I was using when testing that didn't have the squat equivalents for skill players, so I can't confirm if those we're correct, but I think they're pretty close. I just found this chart this morning and it has separate squat numbers for skill players. Hope this helps.[/quote]

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2043923691

[nuschler22]

The chart really has been accurate for what it says it does, right down to the exact number from what I've found.

One thing I've found (and I think it's been mentioned before) is that in using the chart that we provided, the recruits overall REALLY goes up if the letter grade is lower than the 40, squat or bench times. The 40 only corresponds to speed NOT acceleration so you might have a guy that's 95 speed and only 79 acceleration. The 40 should correspond to acceleration since that's what it's testing.

If the guys squat time (for example) corresponds to 85 tackle, but he's listed at a C or D grade in tackling, his overall will shoot up tremendously.

Also, this topic IS for hints and tips, not for guys you found that were gems. There's already a topic for that. Unless you have a hint or tip for how to get them.

The point about the major schools interested in three star recruits usually doesn't pan out. I've scouted a bunch of these guys have had an average amount of gems from them.

[nortobc]

Is it possible that scouting will reveal the true number attributes of the recruits? Let's say a lineman squats 745. Then, after scouting him, will his squat always be a 94? Or could the initial 745 be incorrect and his squat be an 88 after scouting? Revealing that he really can only squat 690.

From reading the previous two posts, it sounds like the letter grade is what fluctuates and not the rating (94) after scouting.

[nortobc]

What does bench rep in the players in D-Line and others? I know bench represents pass blocking for O-Line. What about D-Line? What about HBs?

Squat = tackling for D-Line
Bench = ? for D-Line

I don't think it is block shedding. I've seen very strong D-Line with crappy block shedding vice versa.

I'm trying to build a 3-4 defense so I need some big, fat run stuffing D-Linemen. I use to recruit strength (bench) but now I might switch to squat.

[jarato]

Bench press is the strength attribute