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I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
Title explains itself. My run defense is good except against the option and nobody in my online dynasty runs the option. I am particularly interested in how to shut down tight ends who run deep ins, posts, and corner routes. I got beat in my conference championship by my friend whose tight end had 15 catches. I run a 4-2-5 fyi, but willing to switch to 4-3 or any other defense. 4-3 would be the easiest transition for my players. My gamertag is Hijjake on 360 so send me a friend request and we could do an unranked match and scrimmage to go over some stuff. Any help would be great.Tags: None -
Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
The main thing that works is manually covering the tight end/middle of the field. If you don't, 9 times out of 10, the middle of the field is going to be left open by your middle linebacker.--
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
So would you recommend manually using the middle linebacker? Or using someone else? I have a problem with my 90+ overall corners not being able to cover guys one on one also...Comment
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I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
Here's a little background on me. It's not bragging (as I don't think I'm all that good and I know I have bad stick skills), its just me telling the facts. Over on TSO I was in one of the premiere dynasties for the last 4 or 5 years (since '10 i think) and no one won more national titles than I did (and we had 12 guys 95% of the time). I ran a spread option attack which was good, but my calling card was always defense. I don't think I ever won a title where I didn't have one of the best defenses in the country. I know this isn't because I'm sick on the sticks with my user controlled defender (because I'm not and there are at least 7 of the 11 other guys that are better). It's because of my defensive scheme and my play calling.
Anywho, I always run a 3-4 scheme. I prefer this because you can rush 3 and cover 8 when you want. More importantly when you rush 4 or 5 (which I do probably 65% of the time that 4th and 5th rusher can come from anywhere in the front 7 so it's not nearly as predictable as a 4 man front. This is good against the CPU, but its great against users.
1 thing that really differentiates me from the vast majority of people I've played is that most play predominantly man. I think that most people even feel that zones are broken. I play zone probably 80-85% of the time. I just laugh at people who cry about ins, outs, corners, and curls as there are zone coverages that can stop any of those.
I recruit great LBs so I generally don't match personnel and go 1 less than my opponent (IE base 3-4 against 3 wide, nickle against 4 wide, etc). I usually have no issues with a LB covering a slot WR in zone. If I played man mostly I might not feel this way.
I love the 3-4 because they have great zone coverages and there's TONS of variety. IE in my 3-4s I have 6 different cover 2s (and that doesn't count any cover 2 sinks, of which there are 2 or maybe even 3 varieties). They've all got 2 deeps and 2 flats, but some rush 3, some rush 4, some have 2 buzzes, some have 1 buzz, and some have no buzzes. And that's just cover 2s!!! 3-4s also have some really awesome and creative zone blitzes.
By mixing up your zone coverages you can keep your opponent guessing. I mix in man coverage from time to time (mainly as a change of pace to keep them guessing, but almost all of my INTs come from zones.
I'm also fairly conservative on D. I usually rush at least 4, but I rarely rush 5 or 6, VERY rarely rush 7, and I don't even have any engage 8s in my CPB. There's also a 3-4 (over ED) which has a 4-3 look (with 3-4 personnel) that has an AWESOME cover 3 with 2 buzzes instead of flats and 3 very nice zone blitzes that are AWESOME for stopping options.
Also, 3-4 odd has 3 awesome cover 3s, cover 3 sink, cover 3 buzz, and a man coverage with 3 deep zones.
Oh yeah, I always control MLB1 on D.Last edited by jello1717; 10-15-2014, 02:51 PM.Favorite Teams:
College #1: Michigan Wolverines
College #2: Michigan State Spartans (my alma mater)
College #3: North Carolina Tar Heels
NHL: Detroit Redwings
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
Here's a little background on me. It's not bragging (as I don't think I'm all that good and I know I have bad stick skills), its just me telling the facts. Over on TSO I was in one of the premiere dynasties for the last 4 or 5 years (since '10 i think) and no one won more national titles than I did (and we had 12 guys 95% of the time). I ran a spread option attack which was good, but my calling card was always defense. I don't think I ever won a title where I didn't have one of the best defenses in the country. I know this isn't because I'm sick on the sticks with my user controlled defender (because I'm not and there are at least 7 of the 11 other guys that are better). It's because of my defensive scheme and my play calling.
Anywho, I always run a 3-4 scheme. I prefer this because you can rush 3 and cover 8 when you want. More importantly when you rush 4 or 5 (which I do probably 65% of the time that 4th and 5th rusher can come from anywhere in the front 7 so it's not nearly as predictable as a 4 man front. This is good against the CPU, but its great against users.
1 thing that really differentiates me from the vast majority of people I've played is that most play predominantly man. I think that most people even feel that zones are broken. I play zone probably 80-85% of the time. I just laugh at people who cry about ins, outs, corners, and curls as there are zone coverages that can stop any of those.
I recruit great LBs so I generally don't match personnel and go 1 less than my opponent (IE base 3-4 against 3 wide, nickle against 4 wide, etc). I usually have no issues with a LB covering a slot WR in zone. If I played man mostly I might not feel this way.
I love the 3-4 because they have great zone coverages and there's TONS of variety. IE in my 3-4s I have 6 different cover 2s (and that doesn't count any cover 2 sinks, of which there are 2 or maybe even 3 varieties). They've all got 2 deeps and 2 flats, but some rush 3, some rush 4, some have 2 buzzes, some have 1 buzz, and some have no buzzes. And that's just cover 2s!!! 3-4s also have some really awesome and creative zone blitzes.
By mixing up your zone coverages you can keep your opponent guessing. I mix in man coverage from time to time (mainly as a change of pace to keep them guessing, but almost all of my INTs come from zones.
I'm also fairly conservative on D. I usually rush at least 4, but I rarely rush 5 or 6, VERY rarely rush 7, and I don't even have any engage 8s in my CPB. There's also a 3-4 (over ED) which has a 4-3 look (with 3-4 personnel) that has an AWESOME cover 3 with 2 buzzes instead of flats and 3 very nice zone blitzes that are AWESOME for stopping options.
Also, 3-4 odd has 3 awesome cover 3s, cover 3 sink, cover 3 buzz, and a man coverage with 3 deep zones.
Oh yeah, I always control MLB1 on D.
I would love to play a friendly game to exchange in game schemes.Comment
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
Yes. Between my ODs (which I don't play anymore) and my offline dynasty I've played 503 dynasty games of NCAA '14.Favorite Teams:
College #1: Michigan Wolverines
College #2: Michigan State Spartans (my alma mater)
College #3: North Carolina Tar Heels
NHL: Detroit Redwings
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
How many pre-snap adjustments do you make? I just played a game online against a guy who kept bringing his tight end across the middle and rolling out to that side. His tight end was running short/medium length crossing routes and I was running cover 2 sink a lot, but that did not seem to be working because his tight end would just run through the zones. I tried to follow him with my MLB but it was not workingComment
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
How many pre-snap adjustments do you make? I just played a game online against a guy who kept bringing his tight end across the middle and rolling out to that side. His tight end was running short/medium length crossing routes and I was running cover 2 sink a lot, but that did not seem to be working because his tight end would just run through the zones. I tried to follow him with my MLB but it was not workingComment
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
First, it's not you, it's the game.
That being said, to cover a user TE-heavy passing game, I'd pick any defense that has a spy and user-control that player all over the TE.
To the "just play zone" guy, why should the purchasers of a $60 game limit themselves to half the defenses? That's crap.Comment
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
Be sure to commit to the pass and highlight a receiver. That does make a difference!Go Big Red!!!Comment
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
When it comes to football games I always have 10x better defenses than my offenses. The guy I play with in my OD's and Franchises in Madden always has the opposite problem. In 14 we ran with custom Heisman sliders with the goal of making a 9-3 season feel like an accomplishment. Every win was supposed to feel like it was earned. We wanted sliders that made winning your division in your conference a feat and we achieved it. We went 10 years deep into the most recent franchise where we were our favorite teams(Miami and Mizzou) and it took me 3 or 4 years to finally win the ACC and he won it in year 1, but then struggled to make the SEC championship the next few years. Eventually I made a couple title runs because we didn't realize the AI didn't try and keep their players from going pro, so we were rolling with 98 overall teams loaded with seniors compared to the AI have 93 overall teams with sophomore and juniors. Once we started letting all our players go pro we started coming back down to earth and the wins were harder to come by.
So now onto what you were wanting help with. My style of defense when I play NCAA is always 4-3(yet in Madden I run a 3-4 the majority of the time), so I will focus on my 4-3 defenses I run.
For players I go for
DE's that are pure pass rushers
DT's that are pure run stoppers
OLB's that are balanced
MLB's that are run stoppers
CB's that are coverage
S's that can be anything
Now for play calling I am a big believer in attacking the offense. I am not afraid to send more rushers than players in coverage and risk the completion. I am not afraid to leave my guys on islands multiple times throughout the game. I don't really use man or zone more than the other on a consistent basis. I see what is working at the time and use it.
When I use man defense I am not afraid to leave my guys on an island. If I see the offense has 3 WRs out there, I will comfortably let my CB's all stay in man, send both LBs and a safety and more times than not see a hurried throw that is off target just because I overload one side of the line and with the speed I like to have on defense, the pass rush is there by the time the QB plants his back foot on a drop back. If I see a TE or one WR is beating his man more so than the other players, I will still amp up the pressure, but instead of also sending the extra safety or LB, I will switch between them in double teaming that player from different angles. So one play the safety will help over top and then the next play the LB might be helping from the inside. You need to pay attention to where they are beating you at the most.
When I run zone I also mix it up. When I bring the pressure, I am never afraid to focus on the middle and flats and give up the deep ball because I believe with a successful pass rush, the deep ball will never have time to develop and with taking away the middle and flats, the QB has no hot read to fall back on safely. If I am playing against a team with a good offensive line, then that is when I start taking away the deep ball. I will call a lot of 3 deep zones, cover the middle, and bring heat as well and give up the flats because my team speed will close quickly. I will never give up the middle of the field in any zone though. That is the one area I never risk giving up.
My defense might be too aggressive for you, but with the players I consistently get out of Florida it works just like it did with Miami from the 80's through the Shannon years. Of course Golden has since switched to a conservative 3-4 which doesn't work with Florida kids. That is another topic though.
Overall where I am weaker on the offensive side of the ball I have focused on what my tendencies are and that has influenced my defensive ways. That is why I am not afraid to bring pressure and give up the deep ball because I know when I am on offense and see an overload I look for the short hot read. Since I focus on taking that away, I feel like my defenses will cause havoc and turnovers and they tend to do so. I may get beat here and there for a big pass, but that generally doesn't happen as I sometimes pick the faster guy over the better coverage guy if it isn't a big decrease in ability. And since I press a huge amount of time, if they do get beat, they generally are fast enough to recover and prevent TD's. I may give up a big 1st down, but I hardly ever give up huge TD passes thank to my speed and recovery by my DBs and the pressure making it next to impossible for a pass to perfectly lead a WR down field.
So basically my defense is attack attack attack and trust your defensive backs to hold their own. And one last note, if you are getting beat consistently over the middle by the TE, then either play a man and let a safety or LB play a zone right over the middle. Don't be afraid to also have your guys away from their zones presnap. I am never afraid to have a guy be right on the DE's back when his zone is behind the other LB because him moving after the snap across field allows him to take away any inside routes at the time, it will confuse the QB a good amount of times, and his zone won't be open as other players will be running through it as well to get to theirs. I know my defense is very risky and a lot of you all may keep away from attacking so much and risking guys out of position, but I really have had plenty of success and in a dynasty where our sliders ended up favoring the CPU offense by a huge margin, I still had a top 15 defense in probably 8 of the 10 years compared to him only having one in his title run.“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
When it comes to football games I always have 10x better defenses than my offenses. The guy I play with in my OD's and Franchises in Madden always has the opposite problem. In 14 we ran with custom Heisman sliders with the goal of making a 9-3 season feel like an accomplishment. Every win was supposed to feel like it was earned. We wanted sliders that made winning your division in your conference a feat and we achieved it. We went 10 years deep into the most recent franchise where we were our favorite teams(Miami and Mizzou) and it took me 3 or 4 years to finally win the ACC and he won it in year 1, but then struggled to make the SEC championship the next few years. Eventually I made a couple title runs because we didn't realize the AI didn't try and keep their players from going pro, so we were rolling with 98 overall teams loaded with seniors compared to the AI have 93 overall teams with sophomore and juniors. Once we started letting all our players go pro we started coming back down to earth and the wins were harder to come by.
So now onto what you were wanting help with. My style of defense when I play NCAA is always 4-3(yet in Madden I run a 3-4 the majority of the time), so I will focus on my 4-3 defenses I run.
For players I go for
DE's that are pure pass rushers
DT's that are pure run stoppers
OLB's that are balanced
MLB's that are run stoppers
CB's that are coverage
S's that can be anything
Now for play calling I am a big believer in attacking the offense. I am not afraid to send more rushers than players in coverage and risk the completion. I am not afraid to leave my guys on islands multiple times throughout the game. I don't really use man or zone more than the other on a consistent basis. I see what is working at the time and use it.
When I use man defense I am not afraid to leave my guys on an island. If I see the offense has 3 WRs out there, I will comfortably let my CB's all stay in man, send both LBs and a safety and more times than not see a hurried throw that is off target just because I overload one side of the line and with the speed I like to have on defense, the pass rush is there by the time the QB plants his back foot on a drop back. If I see a TE or one WR is beating his man more so than the other players, I will still amp up the pressure, but instead of also sending the extra safety or LB, I will switch between them in double teaming that player from different angles. So one play the safety will help over top and then the next play the LB might be helping from the inside. You need to pay attention to where they are beating you at the most.
When I run zone I also mix it up. When I bring the pressure, I am never afraid to focus on the middle and flats and give up the deep ball because I believe with a successful pass rush, the deep ball will never have time to develop and with taking away the middle and flats, the QB has no hot read to fall back on safely. If I am playing against a team with a good offensive line, then that is when I start taking away the deep ball. I will call a lot of 3 deep zones, cover the middle, and bring heat as well and give up the flats because my team speed will close quickly. I will never give up the middle of the field in any zone though. That is the one area I never risk giving up.
My defense might be too aggressive for you, but with the players I consistently get out of Florida it works just like it did with Miami from the 80's through the Shannon years. Of course Golden has since switched to a conservative 3-4 which doesn't work with Florida kids. That is another topic though.
Overall where I am weaker on the offensive side of the ball I have focused on what my tendencies are and that has influenced my defensive ways. That is why I am not afraid to bring pressure and give up the deep ball because I know when I am on offense and see an overload I look for the short hot read. Since I focus on taking that away, I feel like my defenses will cause havoc and turnovers and they tend to do so. I may get beat here and there for a big pass, but that generally doesn't happen as I sometimes pick the faster guy over the better coverage guy if it isn't a big decrease in ability. And since I press a huge amount of time, if they do get beat, they generally are fast enough to recover and prevent TD's. I may give up a big 1st down, but I hardly ever give up huge TD passes thank to my speed and recovery by my DBs and the pressure making it next to impossible for a pass to perfectly lead a WR down field.
So basically my defense is attack attack attack and trust your defensive backs to hold their own. And one last note, if you are getting beat consistently over the middle by the TE, then either play a man and let a safety or LB play a zone right over the middle. Don't be afraid to also have your guys away from their zones presnap. I am never afraid to have a guy be right on the DE's back when his zone is behind the other LB because him moving after the snap across field allows him to take away any inside routes at the time, it will confuse the QB a good amount of times, and his zone won't be open as other players will be running through it as well to get to theirs. I know my defense is very risky and a lot of you all may keep away from attacking so much and risking guys out of position, but I really have had plenty of success and in a dynasty where our sliders ended up favoring the CPU offense by a huge margin, I still had a top 15 defense in probably 8 of the 10 years compared to him only having one in his title run.Comment
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
You can't, the game is broken that way.
My favorite is when I look at the pre-snap man coverage matchups and see my safety on the left is covering a WR on the right side, and my LB on the right is 'covering' a TE on the left side.
It's the BEST!Comment
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Re: I am incredibly bad at pass defense NCAA 14 (Need help/tips)
Is there anything you can do to stop it? I switched to the 3-4 this season and I am having amazing success at least against computers. In two games I have only allowed 10 points and less than 300 yards.... COMBINED! I out rushed TCU who was the #9 team when I played them 456 to 8 lol.Comment
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