Professional vs World Class

[demencia_total]

I have been jumping between the two difficulties and I can't stick to one. Basically, World Class is awesome when you really want a challenge and are playing another top club. I play as Barcelona so it works great against high tier clubs but against low tier clubs its a bit ridiculous. You'll see clubs like Rayo Vallecano tacklin and hustling as if they were Chelsea. On World Class, every club plays agressively and tactically sound, which is kind of annoying to see your top rated players being outrun and outhustled.

On the other hand, Professional can be a bit too easy if you are moderately skilled at the game. Playing on Professional against top clubs isn't very challenging and I end up winning handily. I really wish there was something in between both or atleast not have the AI having ridiculous speed burts and perfect tackles every time on WC. My best bet is to change the difficulty depending on who I face but then I have to also adjust sliders every time which is kind of annoying (using Orion's).

Any thoughts? Similar or different experiences? Please share.

[jlyons4]

Re: Professional vs World Class

I have been jumping between the two difficulties and I can't stick to one. Basically, World Class is awesome when you really want a challenge and are playing another top club. I play as Barcelona so it works great against high tier clubs but against low tier clubs its a bit ridiculous. You'll see clubs like Rayo Vallecano tacklin and hustling as if they were Chelsea. On World Class, every club plays agressively and tactically sound, which is kind of annoying to see your top rated players being outrun and outhustled.

On the other hand, Professional can be a bit too easy if you are moderately skilled at the game. Playing on Professional against top clubs isn't very challenging and I end up winning handily. I really wish there was something in between both or atleast not have the AI having ridiculous speed burts and perfect tackles every time on WC. My best bet is to change the difficulty depending on who I face but then I have to also adjust sliders every time which is kind of annoying (using Orion's).

Any thoughts? Similar or different experiences? Please share.

I agree with everything you said. I am to the point of frustration with this game. Close to giving up and not playing until the next gen comes out. To me Professional is too easy. But the jump to World Class is like night and day. I played 5 games this morning. Aresnal Vs Chelsa. All 5 games started the same way. Either a cross for a header or their striker took a lob through ball over my defenders for a breakaway. There was no passing. It was a relentless attack.

The thing that pushed me over the edge today was the SLOWNESS of my players. Ozil defended a ball with a tackle. The ball rolled away from the AI, the AI opponent fell, he got up and still made it to the ball before I could get to it. Like I said in many posts I dont mind a challenge, I dont mind losing, but this is outta hand. Its like their speed is 100 and my entire team is at 50.

They say they slowed down the pace but for who just my team?

[BearsNVA]

Re: Professional vs World Class

I have been jumping between the two difficulties and I can't stick to one. Basically, World Class is awesome when you really want a challenge and are playing another top club. I play as Barcelona so it works great against high tier clubs but against low tier clubs its a bit ridiculous. You'll see clubs like Rayo Vallecano tacklin and hustling as if they were Chelsea. On World Class, every club plays agressively and tactically sound, which is kind of annoying to see your top rated players being outrun and outhustled.

On the other hand, Professional can be a bit too easy if you are moderately skilled at the game. Playing on Professional against top clubs isn't very challenging and I end up winning handily. I really wish there was something in between both or atleast not have the AI having ridiculous speed burts and perfect tackles every time on WC. My best bet is to change the difficulty depending on who I face but then I have to also adjust sliders every time which is kind of annoying (using Orion's).

Any thoughts? Similar or different experiences? Please share.

My path to FIFA 14 happiness thus far:

-Started with Orions' sliders: felt good, played good, to compact.

-Tried making my own: felt good, played good, just couldn't get it right.

-Tried Goniera's (sp)sliders last night: HOLY CRAP.....ding ding, we have as close to a winner as possible.

His sliders spread things out to but not too much. His line lengths are good because the midfielders are close enough to the front line that they can pass easily, and the midfielders can get back to stop a counter without running a 1/2 marathon.

I mainly use slider sets for the Line settings. Getting the field to be spaced properly in my opinion makes all the difference in the world.

I know, haven't really answered your question. I'm getting to it.

I use the slider sets for the Lines, but, but, but.......I don't always implement the shot error, first touch control, pass error, etc. for the user the way the slider sets call for.

Orion must be a FIFA God playing on Legendary with all manual controls. I tried one game of that and want throw my dual shock through my TV and drown a kitten; quit the game then promised myself I'd never do it again.

I moved back to World Class with the below settings. It's a challenge, not easy, and animals are safe as well as my dual shock. I will only list the items that aren't the same as Goneria's slider set:


Shot: 52
Pass: 50
Power Bar: 52
First Touch: 39

The only other things I might change to make it better for me (personally) is the run frequency.

I have just about the same stat results with 8min halves on World Class, as the people do posting their stats with 15min halves on Legendary.

Is my play different? Maybe, or the Legendary sliders with minor tweaks can be used with 8 min halves on World Class.

I lose some and win some, but I'm not frustrated doing it. Tweak things to suit your happiness/play style.

Sorry for the long post that may or may not have answered your question in any way shape or form

Oh, and in game do you change your settings while you play? Custom Tactics?

[demencia_total]

Re: Professional vs World Class

My path to FIFA 14 happiness thus far:

-Started with Orions' sliders: felt good, played good, to compact.

-Tried making my own: felt good, played good, just couldn't get it right.

-Tried Goniera's (sp)sliders last night: HOLY CRAP.....ding ding, we have as close to a winner as possible.

His sliders spread things out to but not too much. His line lengths are good because the midfielders are close enough to the front line that they can pass easily, and the midfielders can get back to stop a counter without running a 1/2 marathon.

I mainly use slider sets for the Line settings. Getting the field to be spaced properly in my opinion makes all the difference in the world.

I know, haven't really answered your question. I'm getting to it.

I use the slider sets for the Lines, but, but, but.......I don't always implement the shot error, first touch control, pass error, etc. for the user the way the slider sets call for.

Orion must be a FIFA God playing on Legendary with all manual controls. I tried one game of that and want throw my dual shock through my TV and drown a kitten; quit the game then promised myself I'd never do it again.

I moved back to World Class with the below settings. It's a challenge, not easy, and animals are safe as well as my dual shock. I will only list the items that aren't the same as Goneria's slider set:


Shot: 52
Pass: 50
Power Bar: 52
First Touch: 39

The only other things I might change to make it better for me (personally) is the run frequency.

I have just about the same stat results with 8min halves on World Class, as the people do posting their stats with 15min halves on Legendary.

Is my play different? Maybe, or the Legendary sliders with minor tweaks can be used with 8 min halves on World Class.

I lose some and win some, but I'm not frustrated doing it. Tweak things to suit your happiness/play style.

Sorry for the long post that may or may not have answered your question in any way shape or form

Oh, and in game do you change your settings while you play? Custom Tactics?

Great post, thanks. I'll give it a look to see if it makes WC more tolerable. I have learned to manage the manual controls fine but nowhere as near as the AI does. You'll see lower clubs ping pong the ball with perfect back heels and avoid any sort of defense. Since FIFA's defensive scheme is based on containment it can be a real chore to stop this, even if the AI is controlling low rated players. I just saw one of my defenders get outhustled by a lesser rated player in strength, speed and the usual defensive ratings while I was two steps ahead on the loose ball. Needless to say, it was near my box so you know how that goes.

[BearsNVA]

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Great post, thanks. I'll give it a look to see if it makes WC more tolerable. I have learned to manage the manual controls fine but nowhere as near as the AI does. You'll see lower clubs ping pong the ball with perfect back heels and avoid any sort of defense. Since FIFA's defensive scheme is based on containment it can be a real chore to stop this, even if the AI is controlling low rated players. I just saw one of my defenders get outhustled by a lesser rated player in strength, speed and the usual defensive ratings while I was two steps ahead on the loose ball. Needless to say, it was near my box so you know how that goes.

If the AI even on the lower rung teams ball control/passing is still amazing, try lowering the AI's first touch controls.

That's one of those areas where it's difficult to find a good balance. Ideally you find a setting that allows the players with high control ratings/dribble ratings/pass ratings to thrive like real life, but the guy who is a middle of the road passer, dribbler,etc. can't look like somebody he's not.

A good way to test this stuff in a game is to run one with a great team and a crap team. Then switch half way or every few minutes to see how it feels playing with both rating levels.

Depending on how it feels with both make minor 1 point changes to the shooting, passing, and first touch.

After you've done a 5 star team and a 1-2 start team, try a game with a 3star and a 5 start. basically keep working your way up until it feels right on all levels playing with a mix of teams.

When the good teams play good, and the bad teams play bad, but have a few bright spots with their top players, you've got yourself a more enjoyable game.

Sad it takes work, but sports games off the shelf are for the masses. Tweaking needs to be done for people that post here, LOL.

[demencia_total]

Re: Professional vs World Class

If the AI even on the lower rung teams ball control/passing is still amazing, try lowering the AI's first touch controls.

That's one of those areas where it's difficult to find a good balance. Ideally you find a setting that allows the players with high control ratings/dribble ratings/pass ratings to thrive like real life, but the guy who is a middle of the road passer, dribbler,etc. can't look like somebody he's not.

A good way to test this stuff in a game is to run one with a great team and a crap team. Then switch half way or every few minutes to see how it feels playing with both rating levels.

Depending on how it feels with both make minor 1 point changes to the shooting, passing, and first touch.

After you've done a 5 star team and a 1-2 start team, try a game with a 3star and a 5 start. basically keep working your way up until it feels right on all levels playing with a mix of teams.

When the good teams play good, and the bad teams play bad, but have a few bright spots with their top players, you've got yourself a more enjoyable game.

Sad it takes work, but sports games off the shelf are for the masses. Tweaking needs to be done for people that post here, LOL.

Took everything you said into consideration and made changes to user error as well as increasing the CPU's error margins. Now I feel its a lot more balanced considering I'm not perfect at all on Manual. Once again, thanks for the feedback. I guess we'll still be tunning till the end of time but for now I got something to work with.

[Matt10]

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I was working on a Professional level slider set because I felt, apart from the tackles stat, the game played pretty good - and showed the most margin between top teams vs poor teams. The key is to have the right pressure, and that should be caused by poor touches and hard passes that are tough to control as a result of the pressure. Professional does this right, but the line settings are a bit tricky to figure out to find a happy medium.

Granted, I'm playing PC - so I could always just wait for a gameplay patch from AP21 (AndreaPirlo21 on Soccergaming.tv) instead of going through sliders.

[demencia_total]

Re: Professional vs World Class

I was working on a Professional level slider set because I felt, apart from the tackles stat, the game played pretty good - and showed the most margin between top teams vs poor teams. The key is to have the right pressure, and that should be caused by poor touches and hard passes that are tough to control as a result of the pressure. Professional does this right, but the line settings are a bit tricky to figure out to find a happy medium.

Granted, I'm playing PC - so I could always just wait for a gameplay patch from AP21 (AndreaPirlo21 on Soccergaming.tv) instead of going through sliders.

Hopefully someone gets it right on Professional. While I think the level of agressiveness and pace is almost perfect on it, I can blast the AI 4-0 with scary regularity. Maybe if I played as a lower tier club but as it is there's no challenge. Can you share which sliders have you changed currently?

[ChelseaFC]

Re: Professional vs World Class

My path to FIFA 14 happiness thus far:

-Started with Orions' sliders: felt good, played good, to compact.

-Tried making my own: felt good, played good, just couldn't get it right.

-Tried Goniera's (sp)sliders last night: HOLY CRAP.....ding ding, we have as close to a winner as possible.

His sliders spread things out to but not too much. His line lengths are good because the midfielders are close enough to the front line that they can pass easily, and the midfielders can get back to stop a counter without running a 1/2 marathon.

I mainly use slider sets for the Line settings. Getting the field to be spaced properly in my opinion makes all the difference in the world.

I know, haven't really answered your question. I'm getting to it.

I use the slider sets for the Lines, but, but, but.......I don't always implement the shot error, first touch control, pass error, etc. for the user the way the slider sets call for.

Orion must be a FIFA God playing on Legendary with all manual controls. I tried one game of that and want throw my dual shock through my TV and drown a kitten; quit the game then promised myself I'd never do it again.

I moved back to World Class with the below settings. It's a challenge, not easy, and animals are safe as well as my dual shock. I will only list the items that aren't the same as Goneria's slider set:


Shot: 52
Pass: 50
Power Bar: 52
First Touch: 39

The only other things I might change to make it better for me (personally) is the run frequency.

I have just about the same stat results with 8min halves on World Class, as the people do posting their stats with 15min halves on Legendary.

Is my play different? Maybe, or the Legendary sliders with minor tweaks can be used with 8 min halves on World Class.

I lose some and win some, but I'm not frustrated doing it. Tweak things to suit your happiness/play style.

Sorry for the long post that may or may not have answered your question in any way shape or form

Oh, and in game do you change your settings while you play? Custom Tactics?

Are those changes to the shot/pass error or the shot/pass power?

[mac_rmm]

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In my utter frustration with career mode and the fact that sliders don't even matter there because EA has programmed the game to change ratings as you go, I started spending time with FUT.

In the low level seasons, you play whatever difficulty level the outline has for you. You may play one game on semi-pro, then the next on world class, then the next on professional. I noticed something big from playing this way, going back and forth between the different levels.

It seems to me that EA basically just made the human AI stupider at higher levels and also adjusted the momentum/physics levels at the higher levels. It was very easy to tell that certain moves I was able to do successfully at semi-pro result in the ball going off my players' feet in WC. I had a harder time moving my players correctly in WC, meaning that I wondered at time if my controller was broken. I didn't have this issue with lower levels. I use assisted passing in all levels and noticed passes that went nowhere near the players in WC and were perfectly accurate at lower levels. The level of the CPU speed, dribbling, tackling, etc was all much higher in WC as well.

What bothers me about this is that it is not that the computer is playing better in WC - it is simply EA lowers the human ratings making it more difficult and giving the human more mistakes (not of their own doing) against artificially inflated CPU players. I have an 81 ranked five star Brazilian team that outshot an opponent 20-0 in professional, but drew 0-0 to a 71 ranked team in WC. Same team, same person playing the game.

What is frustrating about this experience is that I don't see any way sliders are going to help improve this. There is no slider for controlling the physics/momentum of the human AI, nor is there one to control their intelligence. It is extremely frustrating and disappointing.

[Matt10]

Re: Professional vs World Class

I'm feeling better about my professional post-patch, slider set. My issue with World Class and Legendary is the catch up issue where you just cannot breakaway - and enjoy some nice dribbles with players on breakaways.

The issue with professional is the ease of tackling the CPU - but it has been balanced out on the user side's control as well.

[NightmareBooster]

Re: Professional vs World Class

I'm feeling better about my professional post-patch, slider set. My issue with World Class and Legendary is the catch up issue where you just cannot breakaway - and enjoy some nice dribbles with players on breakaways.

The issue with professional is the ease of tackling the CPU - but it has been balanced out on the user side's control as well.

Don't forget the CPU's superhuman tackling on Legendary. Many a curse word has been uttered in response to that.

[UglyInTheMorning]

Re: Professional vs World Class

Hello everyone, I arrived on this (really beautiful) forum looking for info on how to make good this game between PRO and WORLD CLASS difficulties in Career Mode that in these conditions is absolutely unplayable!

At the moment the only acceptable sliders tuning results are the same: (if someone want to try, let me know what's your thoughts):

Playing at World Class:

Shot Error: 55/55
Pass Error: 55/55
GK Ability: 30/30
Marking: 30/30
Line Length: 30/30
Line Width: 30/30
First Touch: 55/55

With these, CPU is always psychopathic/killer/ultra powered and still wins lots of games, but at least I can made much more opportunities to score!

Playing at Pro

Shot Error: 30/30
Pass Error: 30/30
GK Ability: 50/50
Marking: 70/70
Line Length: 65/65
Line Width: 65/65
First Touch: 30/30

With these, CPU plays much more calm and reasoned, good teams always put me in trouble and i stopped throwing punches and kicks on the desk, but the big problem is that I can't see my 60 rating reserves tackling to much players as C.Ronaldo, Ribery or Fabregas.. and this down a lot my realism feel!

So, what else to say, hoping to bring something good to the discussion, I'm happy to have found a place where other people find it difficult to have fun with this game.

[Yeats]

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I arrived on this (really beautiful) forum...

The juxtapositional irony was just too much to avoid mentioning, heh. Welcome to OS. Now the first thing that stands out for me are your GK sliders. I find the CPU GK has been dumbed down this year to pylon-useless levels, and so I have my CPU GK slider at 100. Last night I scored my first goal in something like four games and I literally jumped for joy out of my chair. THAT to me is the sort of gaming experience that I'm after. For me the game is a dull and boring drag when it's too easy to score.

I like your WC line sliders, you're getting close to mine. Plays a much tighter and much more realistic defensive game that way.

[UglyInTheMorning]

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I like your WC line sliders, you're getting close to mine. Plays a much tighter and much more realistic defensive game that way.

Uh?? Well, im glad you like it, but then, maybe, I'm doing something wrong!!

My intention is to open up the defense in WC, and close it in PRO, ahah! I think I don't understand the functionof the Difence sliders.

About the goalkeepers, in WC I lowered the value because in reality it's really rare to see miracles, and playing at that difficulty I can see lots of saves on the line, or against counter attacks, or 1vs1 with top players ecc..