Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

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  • aarontab
    Rookie
    • Mar 2011
    • 468

    #1

    Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

    So if you're like me this year, Professional is fun and exciting while you dominate the CPU and run roughshod all over them. World Class is challenging but the CPU seems to just have control - every team is able to grind you out to dead-even team stats and neutered score-lines. If this describes you at all, I'm going to need you to bear with me here.

    You're never going to believe me. You'll look at these sliders and you'll shake your head and you'll find fault in them but I will promise you one thing - EA is nothing if not predictable. There is usually a very small change, a balance alteration behind the results we see in gameplay at default sliders. The best way i can explain this is that while the sliders will always be default at 50 with a 0-100 range, the underlying default values are altered on the same engine. In other words, if you notice marking is more extreme from one year to the next, odds are EA just boosted that slider and recalibrated it. Using this overly simplified approach is how these sliders came about.

    Another note before the sliders: They aren't linear. For example, if they were what people treat them as, then a GK ability slider of 0 should mean that a GK is unable to save ANYTHING. Zero would represent literally 0 ability. It would function more like the "Sprint Speed" slider does - however, we can objectively prove this to be untrue. That's the main principle of these sliders.

    Difficulty: World Class
    Half Length: Doesn't Matter
    Controls: Doesn't Matter (I'm on assisted for a lot of things, manual lobs)

    If a setting is not listed, it is default at 50.

    USER:
    Pass Error: 0
    Marking: 55
    First Touch Error: 45

    CPU:
    Pass Error: 55
    GK Ability: 0
    Marking: 45
    First Touch Error: 55

    That's it. With these settings, i'm still challenged and still probably losing a deal of matches - but i've finally been able to score goals that look like the ones i scored on Professional. Only with less frequency. Scoring is WAY down with these sliders, but up enough that i would label non-header, non-penalty goals as "possible" finally. That was my main issue.

    These sliders aren't rocket science - GK were saving every attempt i seemed to be able to get off so i lowered their ability to 0. I have experience with extreme slider sets that have worked wonders in the past, so i tried that again. Saves are still VERY frequent, but not overpowered. You'll change the way you look at the sliders if you just trust me on this.

    I was unable to build reliable attacks because in the final third, my (assisted, mind you) passes were going slightly off and killing the attack. I wanted to experiment with no error and see how that played out, but in the process i discovered a dirty secret i've seen before: THERE'S STILL A TON OF ERROR. The calibration is different than you're picturing, also the game has different rules for "in the box". Once you get in the box where you could pass to score, the error increases at least ten-fold again. That's basically a slider we don't have access to.

    Since this slider set is about difficulty adjustment, marking was offset accordingly and so was first touch error. Those values can be slowly worked back towards 50 as you improve and want to close in on World Class default.

    That's it. You won't believe me, you'll tell me I'm wrong and that it ruins the game. But you won't know until you try it. Look at your stats after a match and see that your Pass % is still identical, but you didn't lose the ball RIGHT when you had a chance to score. Look at the saves after a match and see that the GK saved the same % of shots, but the one INSANE save he would usually make didn't happen.

    Try them out. Feedback is welcomed so long as you keep in mind that I'm not looking for higher realism, just a difficulty closer to World Class, but with training wheels.
    Last edited by aarontab; 09-27-2015, 02:25 PM. Reason: typos
  • JHedges2
    MVP
    • Jan 2007
    • 4652

    #2
    Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

    Originally posted by aarontab
    Try them out. Feedback is welcomed so long as you keep in mind that I'm not looking for higher realism, just a difficulty closer to World Class, but with training wheels.
    I'm about to give these a go. Exactly as you have them listed. Slow, 9 minute quarters, kick-off mode (not sure if that matters as opposed to MM?).

    Going to play the Arsenal/Leicester game from yesterday...
    Arsenal | New York Yankees

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    • aarontab
      Rookie
      • Mar 2011
      • 468

      #3
      Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

      Match Facts for most recent Europa League match:

      Fenerbahçe / Liverpool (me, obviously)

      Shots: 3/7
      On Target: 3/6
      Poss%: 41/59
      Tackles: 14/8
      Fouls: 4/3
      Corners: 1/3
      Shot%: 100/85
      Pass%: 85/88

      End Score: Fenerbahçe 1 - Liverpool 2

      Wide open play including a penalty in the second half.

      Mignolet had 6 saves (even though there were 3 shots? Crosses i guess) and Demirel had 5 saves.

      Bear in mind, one GK is set at 50 for ability and the other is set at literally 0.

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      • wolfpack23
        Rookie
        • Mar 2012
        • 180

        #4
        Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

        Excited to try these...I read through your previous forum and have been having the same issues as you. I'll post after I've played a few matches.

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        • aarontab
          Rookie
          • Mar 2011
          • 468

          #5
          Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

          If i could ask one favor - I'm a crazy good FK taker, converting at least 50% of them within shooting distance. Since i've put these sliders on I've had a pretty good run on FK, so i was wondering if somebody tries these out who considers themselves an "average to below-average FK taker", let me know if the 0 GK Ability is just making it impossible for them to defend FK within range. Thanks in advance, hope you enjoy the sliders.

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          • JHedges2
            MVP
            • Jan 2007
            • 4652

            #6
            Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

            Gave these a go in 'kickoff'

            Arsenal/Leicester: 0 - 0

            Shots: 2/10
            On Target: 2/5
            Possession: 45/55
            Fouls: 2/1
            Corners: 1/2
            Pass: 84%/86%

            I did get an 85' goal from Walcott nullified by offsides. He was offsides by less than a foot. Very disappointed. I had hardly any decent chances. They had a lot of shots, but not many of them made me hold my breath when they were taken.

            Only 1 game, but I think WC is a bit too much for me yet.
            Arsenal | New York Yankees

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            • aarontab
              Rookie
              • Mar 2011
              • 468

              #7
              Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

              Originally posted by JHedges2
              Gave these a go in 'kickoff'

              Arsenal/Leicester: 0 - 0

              Shots: 2/10
              On Target: 2/5
              Possession: 45/55
              Fouls: 2/1
              Corners: 1/2
              Pass: 84%/86%

              I did get an 85' goal from Walcott nullified by offsides. He was offsides by less than a foot. Very disappointed. I had hardly any decent chances. They had a lot of shots, but not many of them made me hold my breath when they were taken.

              Only 1 game, but I think WC is a bit too much for me yet.
              Lower CPU marking. It's keeping you from getting space. Just keep in mind, with the other changes made to the sliders, there's an intercept at which point you could make World Class easier than Professional. Use that slider with caution - it's a big difference maker this year from a difficulty standpoint.

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              • wolfpack23
                Rookie
                • Mar 2012
                • 180

                #8
                Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

                Originally posted by aarontab
                If i could ask one favor - I'm a crazy good FK taker, converting at least 50% of them within shooting distance. Since i've put these sliders on I've had a pretty good run on FK, so i was wondering if somebody tries these out who considers themselves an "average to below-average FK taker", let me know if the 0 GK Ability is just making it impossible for them to defend FK within range. Thanks in advance, hope you enjoy the sliders.
                I will give it a try. I'm not automatic by any means.

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                • aarontab
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 468

                  #9
                  Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

                  Playing a crazy match now in the League Cup final...will update after ET but figured FT numbers were more accurate.

                  Full Time:

                  Chelsea/Liverpool (me)

                  Goals: 3/3
                  Shots (on Target): 8(8)/15(10)
                  Poss%: 48/50
                  Tackles: 11/3
                  Fouls: 4/3
                  Corners: 5/6
                  Pass%: 88/84

                  Update:

                  What a match! I expect these types of things in Finals on FIFA games because EA loves to make artificial drama.

                  Ended up losing 4-3 on a rebound headed in the 120th min. Shots split ended up 13(11) for them and 21(15) for me in the end. I had some outright fantastic chances in the dying moments and couldn't get past Courtois. He made some really clutch saves (with his slider set to 0...).

                  He actually even ended up as player of the match, 9.5 rating with 16 saves (a number you may recognize as equal to Tim Howard's World Cup record). With slider at 0. But i'm sure that's a coincidence....
                  Last edited by aarontab; 09-27-2015, 03:50 PM. Reason: update

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                  • wolfpack23
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 180

                    #10
                    Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

                    Played my first game with these. Loved it! I won 2-1. Game played smooth and neither team played perfect. I scored a goal on a header from a cross and a beautiful curled strike from one of my midfielders who was just outside of the box. I am going to keep using these for the considerable future.

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                    • JimmyDeicide
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 623

                      #11
                      Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

                      I liked these Aaron and its not just cos your a Liverpool fan either.
                      I like the simple approach and your thoughts and reasoning it reminds me of Zjacs sliders and how he did things.
                      I had a great game on these, best one yet i feel, the only change i did was Runs on 0 for both ala Zjacs set .

                      Good job , it was only one game but it had that feel that i got from Zjacs sliders and thats really good mate .

                      Looking forward to playing more , just gotta watch the Blue ****e hopefully get beat by West Brom first.
                      Last edited by JimmyDeicide; 09-28-2015, 06:50 PM.

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                      • Gringo97
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 13

                        #12
                        Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

                        Played with a few slider sets now and this is my favourite at the moment. As Jimmy mentioned, I like the simple approach this year as I feel the game is fairly good out the box for the first time in ages, but these tweaks just enhance the experience to the next level. Very good job man.

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                        • JimmyDeicide
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 623

                          #13
                          Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

                          West Brom V Everton

                          2 goals 2
                          7 shots 14
                          6 SOT 2
                          44% pos 56%
                          16 tackles 20
                          5 fouls 3
                          1 yellow 0
                          0 offside 1
                          4 corners 3

                          85% shot acc 78%
                          84% pass acc 92%


                          Solid EPL game real good stats.
                          im still using assists at the mo until i get where i need with the game.
                          Legacy defending.
                          Runs on 0 again.

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                          • stevostl
                            Pro
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 558

                            #14
                            Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional & World Class

                            I liked these Aaron and its not just cos your a Liverpool fan either.
                            ha I actually tried these because he is a Liverpool fan and because they looked interesting... so gave them a test..

                            I played one match but it was a crazy fast paced 3 - 3 draw at Anfield... it was fun and exciting end to end match.

                            Liverpool vs Spurs


                            match facts and highlights below

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                            Last edited by stevostl; 09-28-2015, 10:30 PM.

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                            • LeedsUnitedForLife
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2014
                              • 30

                              #15
                              Re: Pro.5 - The Purgatory Between Professional &amp; World Class

                              these are the best wow

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