I am burned out...

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Re: I am burned out...

Seems to be EA's track record. We, the community ask for things like momentum, weight, goalie fatigue, and player/team differential.

They give us breaking glass and goalie fights.

We ask for much better presentation, with better commentary, standings, and playoff overlays.

They give us the same recycled commentary and two----just two----custom entrances.

We ask for a revamped offline BeaGM mode.

They give us HUT and EASHL.

And so on.....


Really stinks to, cause with the playoffs in full swing, I get the itch to play, but knowing what I'm in for, I quickly change my mind.

[Pezell04x]

Amen brother.

When EA 12 came out a lot of people called it NHL 11.5 and they're right.

- Little to no graphical change
- Cyber faces are the WORST in any EA game I've ever seen.
- The arenas are out of date. The TD Garden is so bad. Score board is wrong and looks like it came from NHL 99.
- Lack of goalie fatigue makes a back up goaltender useless
- There's no difference from Sidney Crosby to Raffi Torres.
- Defensive strategies don't mean anything
- Be A GM is bare bones and untouched from 11

There's so much more. NHL 12 is ****. I really, really hope that EA does something to blow me away in NHL 13 and unlocking legends sure as **** isn't going to do it.
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[tofubrain2]

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this game missed by a large margin. The inclusion of " Legends " was poorly researched by the development team as to what the gaming community wanted, and the fact they took the same game as last year and slapped a new cover on it (not to mention the migraine inducing Billy Idol track Mony Mony)

Don't get me started on the Tuners that actually nerfed gameplay to the point it was about on par with Intellivision hockey, or the half arsed roster "updates " that have been nerfed since EA started offering them.

Oh, and their much ballyhooed " Simulation playoff predictor" fell flat on its face, picking only 2 of the correct winners through the opening round of this years playoffs. I laughed when I heard this, and I am not surprised at all. A sweet ending to a very forgettable year for this dinosaur of a franchise. I feel like burning my disc with fire.

[BlueNGold]

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I actually forgot about the legends and the fact that they're even in the game. That was a failure on so many levels. I don't know why they even bothered with that mess.

I like the idea of including legends in the game but the way it was implemented was just poor.

[RealmK]

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While I don't disagree with alot of the criticisms in this thread. I think a key thing alot of people are forgetting is the current crop of consoles don't exactly have the ram needed for super complex AI Run routines along with keeping a game with the visuals that this series has running at 60 fps. When the next xbox or ps4 has a gig of ram, then people can complain that the AI isn't exactly like real life. At the very least the game still has a very functional create a play feature that works, AI dmen make proper breakouts (unlike another hockey game I won't mention) and break out strategies actually work. Could it be better? Sure, lots of things could be better, skating included, but they're working with 512 megs on the 360, and an overly complex Cell architecture on the PS3 with a whopping 256 megs of ram. In comparison the machine I'm typing this on has 6 gigs.

I too think separating the overalls of the players themselves and the teams on the whole would make a huge difference in the game not feeling samey game in game out, and it's something EA really needs to address for NHL13 if they're going to get another 60 from me on the current crop of consoles. Presentation as well needs to be revamped. The 4 year old pbp script is tired, I criticized 2k for doing this year in year out, EA has done the same and deserves the same criticism.

What I would like to see for 13 is more spread out overalls, a deeper player trait system that actually is visibly noticeable, and better presentation. Other wise I'm still content with how the game plays over all.

[BlueNGold]

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What I don't get is why they don't stretch the ratings out Madden-style. I mentioned this to Redshirt a couple years ago and he shot it down, but it did a lot of good for Madden. I don't see why it couldn't do the same for NHL considering right now it's essentially a 75-99 rating scale.

[letsgopens66]

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What I don't get is why they don't stretch the ratings out Madden-style. I mentioned this to Redshirt a couple years ago and he shot it down, but it did a lot of good for Madden. I don't see why it couldn't do the same for NHL considering right now it's essentially a 75-99 rating scale.

Apparently it's because of different leagues in the game? So all the NHL teams have to be great while the AHL and others are not as good. Which doesn't make sense because FIFA stretches out its team ratings quite well.

Last year was just a big bust. Broken glass? Goalie fights? Winter Classic with no franchise integration? Horrible skating? A bad balance between ease of scoring chances/scoring goals? All of these led to NHL12 being the least favorite of mine in the series.

It's a shame, because this had MLB: The Show like potential in 08/09. Online modes really ruined this game

[Fiddy]

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While I don't disagree with alot of the criticisms in this thread. I think a key thing alot of people are forgetting is the current crop of consoles don't exactly have the ram needed for super complex AI Run routines along with keeping a game with the visuals that this series has running at 60 fps. When the next xbox or ps4 has a gig of ram, then people can complain that the AI isn't exactly like real life. At the very least the game still has a very functional create a play feature that works, AI dmen make proper breakouts (unlike another hockey game I won't mention) and break out strategies actually work. Could it be better? Sure, lots of things could be better, skating included, but they're working with 512 megs on the 360, and an overly complex Cell architecture on the PS3 with a whopping 256 megs of ram. In comparison the machine I'm typing this on has 6 gigs.

I too think separating the overalls of the players themselves and the teams on the whole would make a huge difference in the game not feeling samey game in game out, and it's something EA really needs to address for NHL13 if they're going to get another 60 from me on the current crop of consoles. Presentation as well needs to be revamped. The 4 year old pbp script is tired, I criticized 2k for doing this year in year out, EA has done the same and deserves the same criticism.

What I would like to see for 13 is more spread out overalls, a deeper player trait system that actually is visibly noticeable, and better presentation. Other wise I'm still content with how the game plays over all.

agree on the overalls needing to be spread out more, maybe that would help seperate good and bad teams? with that said, its the NHLPA i do believe that set the ground for the lowest a player can be, right?

also, a lot of complaints for sure is the AI, but they could do so much more in terms of tweaking what they have graphically, presentation wise etc.. they could do so much more by making this look like the product we have seen on VS or NBCSN past 2 years.. they could do so much more in terms of actually having the team strats work correctly.

heck, if they did none of the above but just added an online season mode like Madden, a lot of people would stop complaining.

so many things they can make better without touching the AI.. obviously make the yearly tweaks, but we expect the AI to be well AI.. ha!!

i shouldn't pop 2K10 in and still see better presentation and player faces than i do in NHL 12, it shouldn't happen.

[RealmK]

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agree on the overalls needing to be spread out more, maybe that would help seperate good and bad teams? with that said, its the NHLPA i do believe that set the ground for the lowest a player can be, right?

also, a lot of complaints for sure is the AI, but they could do so much more in terms of tweaking what they have graphically, presentation wise etc.. they could do so much more by making this look like the product we have seen on VS or NBCSN past 2 years.. they could do so much more in terms of actually having the team strats work correctly.

heck, if they did none of the above but just added an online season mode like Madden, a lot of people would stop complaining.

so many things they can make better without touching the AI.. obviously make the yearly tweaks, but we expect the AI to be well AI.. ha!!

i shouldn't pop 2K10 in and still see better presentation and player faces than i do in NHL 12, it shouldn't happen.

I dunno Fids, aside from 2k10's arenas looking more distinct that's pretty much where it ends for me with that game, their player models are laughable imo, and the game without having a user make a million edits, isn't fun and isn't hockey. I've droned on and on about the AI in that game, I won't do it here but it's even worse than EA's.

Not entirely sure what you mean by better presentation, the NHL Today interface is neat and all but 2k10, and really 2k hockey on the whole since about 2k6 on leaves me with one word to sum up the whole experience. Clunky.

[Money99]

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My apologies to the mastermind behind the tweaks from NHL11, but wasn't there someone on these boards that edited all the players so that the overall's and individual attributes used the full 100-point spectrum?
So some guys had 50's and 40's for some skill's.

I recall that his experiment resulted in a lot of unseen animations coming to life and a completely different, organic gameplay.

I'll have to dig it up, but from this members findings, it seems that simply using a much wider spectrum for skill ratings, a lot of the game's issues disappeared.
If that's the case, then there really is no excuse for what we're seeing in NHL12.
It would mean that the devs want the game to play the same for every team and every player.

[Fiddy]

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I dunno Fids, aside from 2k10's arenas looking more distinct that's pretty much where it ends for me with that game, their player models are laughable imo, and the game without having a user make a million edits, isn't fun and isn't hockey. I've droned on and on about the AI in that game, I won't do it here but it's even worse than EA's.

Not entirely sure what you mean by better presentation, the NHL Today interface is neat and all but 2k10, and really 2k hockey on the whole since about 2k6 on leaves me with one word to sum up the whole experience. Clunky.

i dunno what game you played, 2k10 on ps3? maybe thats why.. but team strats work, players play hockey unlike in EA's game. thats why i mentioned about EA getting the strats to work properly. without making player rating edits, just adjusting strats.

is it perfect on 2k10? heck no, far from it.. but it better represents the game of hockey than what we have seen with the NHL series.

player models, agree, rough looking, but 100% better player faces and its not even close. ill take EA's models, but the amount of faces they dont have that 2k10 does is inexcusable IMO. esp for vets.

arenas, enough said. the ice, enough said.

stat overlays presentation wise so much better, again IMO..

its sad that ea dont hire some of the old 2k hockey team and try and come up with the best of both worlds for us hockey fans. bc if they did that, we would have some happy hockey gamers..

(again, not turning into a debate, just frustrating). we need 2 hockey games to choice from!!

then maybe i could retire 2k8, 2k10 and never have to go back.

[RealmK]

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i dunno what game you played, 2k10 on ps3? maybe thats why.. but team strats work, players play hockey unlike in EA's game. thats why i mentioned about EA getting the strats to work properly. without making player rating edits, just adjusting strats.

is it perfect on 2k10? heck no, far from it.. but it better represents the game of hockey than what we have seen with the NHL series.

player models, agree, rough looking, but 100% better player faces and its not even close. ill take EA's models, but the amount of faces they dont have that 2k10 does is inexcusable IMO. esp for vets.

arenas, enough said. the ice, enough said.

stat overlays presentation wise so much better, again IMO..

its sad that ea dont hire some of the old 2k hockey team and try and come up with the best of both worlds for us hockey fans. bc if they did that, we would have some happy hockey gamers..

(again, not turning into a debate, just frustrating). we need 2 hockey games to choice from!!

then maybe i could retire 2k8, 2k10 and never have to go back.

Yes it was the PS3 unpatched version. It just would kill me retreving a puck with a Dman in the defensive zone to watch all 4 other skaters just RACE to center ice no matter what strat or forecheck setting. The AI in the whole in that game at least the PS3 version has this whole buzzing bee hive mentality where it's just all over the place like it wouldn't know how to play positional hockey if you paid it to. I tried all the sliders, nothing fixed it, it was frustrating, because like you and alot of other folks, I would like to have more than one hockey game to enjoy and keep it fresh over the year. I could be nitpicky about how unresponsive line changes and controls are in 2k10 as well but this isn't the thread for it so I digress.

EA's game has issues and really it's all anyone's opinion but it plays a solid game of hockey offline imo. I get a challenge on SS, I don't blow the CPU out every game and when the CPU wins it doesn't feel cheap, often it's me being out of position that will lead to a goal. Although I do notice one thing that really does bother me about cpu teamate AI in that the CPU at times has too easy a time pulling your dmen out of position. That should be addressed but I'm not sure with the memory limitations on the current crop of consoles if it's really even possible.

I in a way really wish EA would go back to putting their sports titles on the PC and really go all out on them but why would they when they're still pulling record sales numbers just making small incremental improvements as it is from a business sense? I dunno it's frustrating in ways obviously but overall I do enjoy the game still and feel I get my money's worth for the most part. However bigger improvements need to be made for 13, else I'll be skipping a yearly hockey purchase this year for the first time in over a decade.

[Fiddy]

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My apologies to the mastermind behind the tweaks from NHL11, but wasn't there someone on these boards that edited all the players so that the overall's and individual attributes used the full 100-point spectrum?
So some guys had 50's and 40's for some skill's.

I recall that his experiment resulted in a lot of unseen animations coming to life and a completely different, organic gameplay.

I'll have to dig it up, but from this members findings, it seems that simply using a much wider spectrum for skill ratings, a lot of the game's issues disappeared.
If that's the case, then there really is no excuse for what we're seeing in NHL12.
It would mean that the devs want the game to play the same for every team and every player.

wait, didnt the results of that prove nothing? as in the game still plays the same? or am i wrong.. hopefully you can dig that up.

as for the ratings separation, remember its the NHLPA who sets those ratings, as in the lowest one etc. buuuut, EA for sure could make those ratings mean more the higher they are. make a 75 play like a 55 or something, code it that way. easier said than done i guess lol.

[jyoung]

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Two things that made the old Genesis games great:

1) The player ratings went from as low as 40 up to 99 overall, creating true separation between a third liner and a superstar. Goalie ratings were also much more varied and spread out. If I remember right, they went from about 50 - 99.

2) Each arena had unique organ music, giving them a different feel.

[Money99]

Re: I am burned out...

Two things that made the old Genesis games great:

1) The player ratings went from as low as 40 up to 99 overall, creating true separation between a third liner and a superstar. Goalie ratings were also much more varied and spread out. If I remember right, they went from about 50 - 99.

2) Each arena had unique organ music, giving them a different feel.

LOL, they went lower than 40. Wasn't Ken Baumgartner a 1 and Shawn Chambers a 2???
Hahaha!