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  • jsquigg
    MVP
    • Nov 2003
    • 1167

    #1

    Fun With NHL 09 Again

    For those fed up with the recent NHL offerings, I've been revisiting NHL 09 using QB's old sliders and it's a blast. Yes it's missing some features (quite a bit) but surprisingly I find the game more fun. One of the criticisms of the game was player differences, but I've never feared top players in dangerous areas more. Don't believe me? Play the Wings or Penguins in that game and if you don't cover the high slot area you'll be in for a long game. By far the best game in the series on this gen IMO.
  • Storm12
    Rookie
    • Oct 2012
    • 428

    #2
    Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

    Would you happen to have the sliders by any chance? I might be willing to try it out sometime in the future.
    What?

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    • jsquigg
      MVP
      • Nov 2003
      • 1167

      #3
      Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

      Originally posted by Storm12
      Would you happen to have the sliders by any chance? I might be willing to try it out sometime in the future.
      Yeah. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ost-patch.html

      Post #146 I think is the updated sliders. I have penalties down a notch because they call a ton.

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      • birthday_massacre
        Pro
        • Jan 2013
        • 614

        #4
        Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

        NHL 09 IMO is the best NHL game of the current gen.
        The AI and challenge was great. It was one of the few NHL years I actually lost in the playoffs and lost a lot of games during the reg season. From what remember the stats were pretty on point too

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        • bwiggy33
          MVP
          • Jul 2006
          • 2003

          #5
          Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

          If I'm not mistaken there is a lack of offsides awareness in 09, which was awesome. Unless 09 was the year they made the AI more aware of not going offsides. I can't remember. I'm just sick of players not going offsides from the past few releases of NHL. It's obviously a huge part of hockey and all EA did was change it so that people online could just fly through games with no whistles.
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          • birthday_massacre
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            • Jan 2013
            • 614

            #6
            Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

            Originally posted by bwiggy33
            If I'm not mistaken there is a lack of offsides awareness in 09, which was awesome. Unless 09 was the year they made the AI more aware of not going offsides. I can't remember. I'm just sick of players not going offsides from the past few releases of NHL. It's obviously a huge part of hockey and all EA did was change it so that people online could just fly through games with no whistles.
            2009 was the year where you would need to pay attention to going offsides from what I remember

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            • porky14
              Pro
              • Nov 2007
              • 654

              #7
              Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

              Imagine 2013 Rosters


              Sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





              Qb's All-Star Sliders [post-patch]




              <hr size="1" style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57);"><!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message -->
              Indicates change from settings in the first post

              DIFFICULTY: All-Star
              PERIOD LENGTH: 8-10 Minutes (I'm going with 9 at this moment)
              PENALTIES: Max (if you're seeing way too many go down a click)

              I'm back to max for penalties. I played a few games with it maxed and it seems reasonable. I'm starting to think that period length affects the number of calls, specifically that 10 minutes is some sort of hard-coded threshold. There seems to be a significant difference between the number of calls on 9 minute periods compared to 10 minutes. Or I've finally lost it completely (ooh, unintentional Radiohead reference)...

              GAME SPEED: 0
              PUCK CONTROL: 1
              FIGHT DIFFICULTY: 3
              FATIGUE EFFECT: 6
              AI LEARNING: 6

              I like the pace/flow of SPD/ACC at 0/1 and the maxed out fatigue effect punishes you for leaving guys on the ice. Puck control at 1 makes for some sloppy play and probably helps to keep it a bit more realistic in terms of who can do what with the puck.

              FATIGUE RECOVERY: 1
              ACCELERATION: 1

              Again, ACC @ 1 provides a nice flow to the game (for me). You have to be a little smarter with your angles to puck since you can't turn on a dime. I feel this also cuts down on some of the goofy stuff the AI can do. I've been getting great TOI numbers and distribution with FR @ 1. Big-time d-men will play 25+ mins for the CPU while top forwards will often crack the 20 min mark. For the user this really helps with special teams, but the only drawback is that you could probably play your top lines a little too much if you're smart with your changes. I get good TOI numbers, but I try to roll my lines as a real coach would...

              HITTING POWER: 0
              AGGRESSION: 4 (up one, my teammates seem a tad more useful)
              POKE EFFECTIVENESS: 5

              The patch sure seems to have made the AI (on both sides) more puck-aware, so I don't see the need to have aggressiveness jacked up. I'm still seeing a good blend of positional play and puck-chasing when appropriate. Poke @ 5 seems to balance well with PC @ 1, plus I still think it helps to generate some tripping calls. Hit power is a no-brainer for me...

              PASS SPEED: 0 or 1 (see below)
              SAUCER PASS SPEED: 2 or 3
              PASS INTERCEPTIONS: 6
              GOALIE PASSING: 6

              Pass Speed @ 1 provides a nice balance, but I've been fooling with it @ 0 of late. It seems to make the AI less pass-happy, but there is a trade-off in that there will be occasional super-slow passes. I guess that might compensate for the relative lack of off-target ones, but it does feel a bit off when it happens.

              I don't use the saucer pass nearly as much as I did in 08, but will occasionally use it to move it around the boards. If you go with normal pass speed @ 0, you may want to drop saucer to 2; otherwise, the default of 3 seems reasonable. I highly recommend using the manual slap-pass technique to move the puck into space or for bank-passing. Goalie Passing @ 6 seems to make the goalies come out to play the puck more, but I've also edited a lot of the goalies puck playing frequency. FWIW, Mkharsh has tried these out and said he noticed the same thing. I'm assuming he didn't edit...

              SHOT ACCURACY: 3
              SHOT POWER: 3

              Here's where I made a change after the patch, dropping ACC to 3 from 4. I've had the following scores -- 3-1, 5-2, 4-3 (SO) and 2-1 (OT). Even before the patch I was starting to see some high-scoring games (for myself & the CPU) with ACC @ 4. I'll monitor my GF/A over the course of 10 dynasty games and take it from there...

              SHOT BLOCKING: 6 (mkharsh suggests 5 if you're not seeing enough goals)
              HOOK EFFECTIVENESS: 5 (attempting to eliminate a few holding calls to keep PPs in line)
              PENALTY SHOT FREQUENCY: 6
              GOALIE COVER: 4

              Defense, defense, defense! I love me some good defensive hockey, so all of these are aimed at tightening up that side of the game. I know Redshirt said Hook Effectiveness has no effect, but I see more pinning along the boards and have a harder time carrying the puck with it maxed. I had it at four prior to patch under the theory that it caused the AI to do the annoying machine gun cross checking in front of the net (Catcatch's idea), but that seems to be toned down post-patch. PS Freq hasn't yielded many calls in all my offline games, but I haven't seen many times it should be called. There's also the theory that it causes the AI d-men to play higher up in the NZ. If true, that would be another reason to have it maxed, as they still tend to back off a bit more than they do in the real NHL. Goalie Cover @ 4 seems to cut down on floaty rebounds the goalie can't corral, but I still see plenty of nice kick-outs on low shots and some rebound goals.

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              Last edited by porky14; 06-05-2013, 03:19 PM. Reason: ezy

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              • jsquigg
                MVP
                • Nov 2003
                • 1167

                #8
                Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

                Originally posted by bwiggy33
                If I'm not mistaken there is a lack of offsides awareness in 09, which was awesome. Unless 09 was the year they made the AI more aware of not going offsides. I can't remember. I'm just sick of players not going offsides from the past few releases of NHL. It's obviously a huge part of hockey and all EA did was change it so that people online could just fly through games with no whistles.
                You are correct, although it ticked me off once when I hit a stretch pass to a player all alone and my teammate decided to cross the blue line a split second too soon, ruining a one on one with the goalie.

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                • canucksss
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2956

                  #9
                  Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

                  Originally posted by bwiggy33
                  If I'm not mistaken there is a lack of offsides awareness in 09, which was awesome. Unless 09 was the year they made the AI more aware of not going offsides. I can't remember. I'm just sick of players not going offsides from the past few releases of NHL. It's obviously a huge part of hockey and all EA did was change it so that people online could just fly through games with no whistles.
                  It's either 2010 or 11 wherein AI teammates will come to a full stop at the blueline to avoid offsides. I prefer 09 because it usually happens. AGAIN, EA removed it and now, either in 10 or 11, you dont see it in that game and makes it unrealistic. THats EA.

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                  • canucksss
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2956

                    #10
                    Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

                    Originally posted by bwiggy33
                    If I'm not mistaken there is a lack of offsides awareness in 09, which was awesome. Unless 09 was the year they made the AI more aware of not going offsides. I can't remember. I'm just sick of players not going offsides from the past few releases of NHL. It's obviously a huge part of hockey and all EA did was change it so that people online could just fly through games with no whistles.
                    It's either 2010 or 11 wherein AI teammates will come to a full stop at the blueline to avoid offsides. I prefer 09 because it usually happens. AGAIN, EA removed it and now, either in 10 or 11, you dont see it in that game and makes it unrealistic. THats EA.

                    i hope someone could release roster update for 2009

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                    • bwiggy33
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 2003

                      #11
                      Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

                      Originally posted by jsquigg
                      You are correct, although it ticked me off once when I hit a stretch pass to a player all alone and my teammate decided to cross the blue line a split second too soon, ruining a one on one with the goalie.
                      Ya I'm sure that's annoying. For me that would be a breath of fresh air, for at least a little while haha. Honestly the lack of offsides is one of the biggest issues I have with 13. It annoys to no end. I may just have to put this game in and try it out as I still have it.

                      It's funny how it always seems like people go back to old games. People are going from NHL 13 to 2k10, 2k8, or in this case 09. You have Madden guys going back to PS2 versions or NFL 2k5. For NCAAF people play 11 and 06 instead of 13. Some people still play MLB 2k7 instead of current versions of that game, or are like me and buy a PS3 for The Show. It's just absurd. Sure every game has its issues, but it makes you angry seeing how good some of these games were. Then the developers either changed (in 2k's case), or just went in a completely different direction.
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                      • s2mikey
                        Rookie
                        • May 2010
                        • 7

                        #12
                        Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

                        Originally posted by bwiggy33
                        Ya I'm sure that's annoying. For me that would be a breath of fresh air, for at least a little while haha. Honestly the lack of offsides is one of the biggest issues I have with 13. It annoys to no end. I may just have to put this game in and try it out as I still have it.

                        It's funny how it always seems like people go back to old games. People are going from NHL 13 to 2k10, 2k8, or in this case 09. You have Madden guys going back to PS2 versions or NFL 2k5. For NCAAF people play 11 and 06 instead of 13. Some people still play MLB 2k7 instead of current versions of that game, or are like me and buy a PS3 for The Show. It's just absurd. Sure every game has its issues, but it makes you angry seeing how good some of these games were. Then the developers either changed (in 2k's case), or just went in a completely different direction.
                        People are going back because the older versions are very often more FUN to play. I hated NHL 2012 - stifled gameplay, difficult, and ultimately boring. Not saying I want 12-11 games with zero defense but it seemed the games were getting too real! Yeah, I said too real. Most folks seem to like a little realism splashed in with more arcadey play. I could never get this balance on the newer versions of the NHL series.

                        Being overly "real" doesnt translate into a good video game and the dev teams are too fixated on that stuff. NHL '09 was the last "good" NHL game I played. So, after work today Im going to stop at my local game shop and buy a used copy for like $7.99 and play it once again. The old rosters suck but I can change some of that myself.

                        These dev teams ought to take the best gamplay engine they have and then make SMALL changes here and there where applicable. Not big changes, just little tweaks. And, always have the option to turn something ON or OFF so everyone can customize their own way.

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                        • birthday_massacre
                          Pro
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 614

                          #13
                          Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

                          Originally posted by s2mikey
                          People are going back because the older versions are very often more FUN to play. I hated NHL 2012 - stifled gameplay, difficult, and ultimately boring. Not saying I want 12-11 games with zero defense but it seemed the games were getting too real! Yeah, I said too real. Most folks seem to like a little realism splashed in with more arcadey play. I could never get this balance on the newer versions of the NHL series.

                          Being overly "real" doesnt translate into a good video game and the dev teams are too fixated on that stuff. NHL '09 was the last "good" NHL game I played. So, after work today Im going to stop at my local game shop and buy a used copy for like $7.99 and play it once again. The old rosters suck but I can change some of that myself.

                          These dev teams ought to take the best gamplay engine they have and then make SMALL changes here and there where applicable. Not big changes, just little tweaks. And, always have the option to turn something ON or OFF so everyone can customize their own way.
                          NHL 09 IMO had the best mix and realism and arcade. Most of my scores with like 3-1, 5-3, 2-1 games. The goalies were good in NHL but could be beaten and not by cheese goals. Plus the CPU was very good and challenging ven on all star which is what i played on

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                          • bwiggy33
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 2003

                            #14
                            Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

                            Originally posted by s2mikey
                            People are going back because the older versions are very often more FUN to play. I hated NHL 2012 - stifled gameplay, difficult, and ultimately boring. Not saying I want 12-11 games with zero defense but it seemed the games were getting too real! Yeah, I said too real. Most folks seem to like a little realism splashed in with more arcadey play. I could never get this balance on the newer versions of the NHL series.

                            Being overly "real" doesnt translate into a good video game and the dev teams are too fixated on that stuff. NHL '09 was the last "good" NHL game I played. So, after work today Im going to stop at my local game shop and buy a used copy for like $7.99 and play it once again. The old rosters suck but I can change some of that myself.

                            These dev teams ought to take the best gamplay engine they have and then make SMALL changes here and there where applicable. Not big changes, just little tweaks. And, always have the option to turn something ON or OFF so everyone can customize their own way.
                            I completely disagree. People are going back to these games because they offer a more realistic experience of the sport. Yes it is fun, but it also offers an experience that feels like the actual sport. Since NHL 09, the series has turned into a game for arcade loving online players. It sounds like that's what you want, so I don't see why you didn't have fun with NHL 12. I have no problem with you liking that style of game, but I don't really see how you think 12 does not deliver that. This game has been that arcade style for quite a while. Also you can make the game as arcade as you wish. Go into the sliders and turn off offsides, icing, and then bump up game speed, acceleration, shot power, etc. You will get a ton of breakaways with very few stoppages of play. Your 2-1 games will suddenly turn into higher scoring games, if that is what you want.

                            I just don't see how any arcade style gamer can complain about NHL at all. If I liked that style of game (which I did when I was a kid), I would be ecstatic about this series. There are options that allow you to make the game as arcade as you chose. For us more sim players, we are basically out of luck because the options do not allow us to turn it into the sim game we would like.
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                            • Segagendude
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                              • Aug 2008
                              • 7940

                              #15
                              Re: Fun With NHL 09 Again

                              Actually, I'm having more fun with 11.....

                              I'll play 13 on occasion, but usually turn it off midway thru a game. I dunno; it just doesn't "feel" right to me.

                              At least in 11, if I square up a guy, I know I can hit him good and knock him off the puck. In 13, I'll end up just "brushing" him off while he skates right on by with the puck.

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