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  • Occam
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    • Sep 2022
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    Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

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    Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders


    Hey everyone,

    After some time away from sliders due to personal reasons, I’m back to share two slider sets I’ve been working on for NHL 24 and NHL 25, each tailored to 6 minute period lengths and superstar difficulty.

    Occam's NHL 24 CPU vs CPU Sliders Redux Set: Designed for 6-minute periods on Superstar difficulty, this set focuses on a realistic flow, where skating, passing, puck battles, and goaltending behave like they do in the NHL.

    New Dedicated NHL 25 CPU vs CPU Slider Set: My goal with this set was to make the players in the game truly shine. I’ve adjusted the sliders so that everything is attribute-exclusive, which means players are now highly individualistic and play with their own unique personality. For example:

    Aggression at 0 ensures the game solely relies on each player’s individual aggression stat.

    Puck control, checking, balance, and passing are all based entirely on player attributes.

    Real stopwatched speed is included to make skating feel authentic and true to life.


    Think of my NHL 25 sliders like an operating system for your game.



    Just like an operating system facilitates the interaction between your computer’s hardware and software, my NHL 25 sliders provide a framework that lets player attributes and custom rosters function naturally without interference. There's no artificial influence, no "tweaking" of outcomes—everything works as it should based on the true attributes of the players and teams.

    In other words, my NHL 25 sliders create an environment where the game operates purely on the systems built within it, just like an OS lets software run smoothly without changing how it fundamentally works. This allows you to experience the game exactly as it's meant to be, with each player's performance driven by their real attributes, not external adjustments.

    Both sets aim to reflect what happens on the ice, providing a simulation-like experience without unnecessary flair or gimmicks. I’ve spent a lot of time fine-tuning details like puck control, skating agility, and AI reactions to ensure an authentic feel.

    Below are the full settings for both sets. As always, feel free to share your thoughts or adjustments—your feedback is always welcome!



    Occam's NHL 24 CPU vs CPU Sliders Redux Set

    Sliders and Settings

    Game Settings
    - Period Length: 6 minutes
    - Difficulty: Superstar

    Rules:
    - Penalties: 1/4
    - Penalty Time Scaling: 4/6
    - Coincidental Penalty Time Scale 4/6

    General
    - Gameplay Version: Latest
    - Attribute Effects: 10
    - Broken Stick Frequency: 35
    - Broken Glass: On
    - Game Speed: 0/6
    - Fatigue Effect: 40
    - Fatigue Recovery: 30
    - Injury Occurrence: 30

    Skating
    - Back Skating: 75
    - Puck Carrier Agility: 90
    - Puck Carrier Skating: 90
    - Player Acceleration: 50
    - Skating Speed: 85
    - Skating Agility: 50

    Shooting
    - One Timer Accuracy: 45
    - Shot Accuracy: 45
    - Shot Power: 50
    - Slap Shot Accuracy: 45
    - Slap Shot Power: 50

    Passing
    - Manual Passing: On
    - Pass Assist: 0
    - Min Pass Speed: 30
    - Max Pass Speed: 40
    - Saucer Pass Speed: 35
    - Pass Accuracy: 0
    - Pass Interceptions: 50
    - Pass Reception Ease: 50
    - Reception Reaction Time: 60
    - Puck Control Rating Effect: 80
    - Puck Speed Reception Effect: 60
    - Pickup Type Effect: 50
    - Bouncing Puck Receptions: 50

    Puck Control
    - Stick In Physics: Stick, Legs And Body
    - Incidental Contact Puck Loss: Stick, Legs And Body
    - Incidental Stick Contact Immunity: 0
    - Puck Control: 50
    - Deking Impact: 25
    - Spin Deke Impact: 25
    - Skating Impact: 45

    Goalies
    - Goalie Cover Frequency: 30
    - Goalie Passing: 30
    - Goalie Cross Crease Reaction Time: 45
    - Goalie Save Reaction Time: 50
    - Goalie Deflection Reaction Time: 45
    - Goalie Screen Effect: 45
    - Goalie Screen Persistence: 45

    Checking
    - Board Effect Non-Puck Carrier: 50
    - Board Effect Puck Carrier: 50
    - Hitting Assistance: 0
    - Stumble Threshold: 35
    - Fall And Stumble Fall Ease: 15
    - Aggression: 0
    - Hitting Power: 15
    - Size Effect: 50
    - Speed Effect: 50
    - Checking/Balance Rating Effect: 50
    - Preparedness Effect: 40
    - Incidental Contact Effect: 35
    - Poke Checking Accuracy: 50
    - Poke Checking Power: 50
    - Stick Lift Effectiveness: 50

    Penalties
    - CPU Penalties: 50
    - CPU Teammate Penalties: 50
    - Tripping: 50
    - Slashing: 50
    - Elbowing: 50
    - High Sticking: 50
    - Cross Checking: 50
    - Boarding: 50
    - Charging: 50
    - Delay of Game: 50
    - Holding: 50
    - Hooking: 50
    - Interference: 50

    AI
    - AI Learning: 3/6
    - CPU Difficulty Adjustment: 3/6
    - CPU Faceoff Difficulty: 50
    - Fight Difficulty: 50
    - CPU Strategy Adjustment: 3/6

    Assisted Strategies ( found in settings menu in Franchise and in settings menu for Team select)
    - User assisted Strategies: 3/6 (Critical to remember for its ability to effect game speed.)



    Occam's NHL 25 CPU vs CPU Slider Set


    Sliders and Settings

    Game Settings
    - Period Length: 6 minutes
    - Difficulty: Superstar

    Rules:
    - Penalties: 4/4
    - Penalty Time Scaling: 4/6
    - Coincidental Penalty Time Scale 4/6

    General
    - Gameplay Version: Latest
    - Attribute Effects: 10
    - Broken Stick Frequency: 15
    - Broken Glass: On
    - Game Speed: 0/6
    - Fatigue Effect: 50
    - Fatigue Recovery: 50
    - Injury Occurrence: 50

    Skating
    - Back Skating: 75
    - Puck Carrier Agility: 90
    - Puck Carrier Skating: 90
    - Player Acceleration: 50
    - Skating Speed: 85
    - Skating Agility: 50

    Shooting
    - One Timer Accuracy: 50
    - Shot Accuracy: 50
    - Shot Power: 50
    - Slap Shot Accuracy: 50
    - Slap Shot Power: 50

    Passing
    - Manual Passing: On
    - Pass Assist: 0
    - Min Pass Speed: 35
    - Max Pass Speed: 75
    - Saucer Pass Speed: 50
    - Pass Accuracy: 100
    - Pass Interceptions: 50
    - Pass Reception Ease: 50
    - Reception Reaction Time: 50
    - Puck Control Rating Effect: 100
    - Puck Speed Reception Effect: 50
    - Pickup Type Effect: 50
    - Bouncing Puck Receptions: 50

    Puck Control
    - Stick In Physics: Stick, Legs And Body
    - Incidental Contact Puck Loss: Stick, Legs And Body
    - Incidental Stick Contact Immunity: 0
    - Puck Control: 50
    - Deking Impact: 50
    - Spin Deke Impact: 50
    - Skating Impact: 50

    Goalies
    - Goalie Cover Frequency: 50
    - Goalie Passing: 35
    - Goalie Cross Crease Reaction Time: 50
    - Goalie Save Reaction Time: 50
    - Goalie Deflection Reaction Time: 50
    - Goalie Screen Effect: 50
    - Goalie Screen Persistence: 50

    Checking
    - Board Effect Non-Puck Carrier: 50
    - Board Effect Puck Carrier: 50
    - Hitting Assistance: 0
    - Stumble Threshold: 50
    - Fall And Stumble Fall Ease: 50
    - Aggression: 0
    - Hitting Power: 15
    - Size Effect: 15
    - Speed Effect: 15
    - Checking/Balance Rating Effect: 100
    - Preparedness Effect: 15
    - Incidental Contact Effect: 15
    - Poke Checking Accuracy: 50
    - Poke Checking Power: 50
    - Stick Lift Effectiveness: 50

    Penalties
    - CPU Penalties: 50
    - CPU Teammate Penalties: 50
    - Tripping: 50
    - Slashing: 50
    - Elbowing: 50
    - High Sticking: 50
    - Cross Checking: 50
    - Boarding: 50
    - Charging: 50
    - Delay of Game: 50
    - Holding: 50
    - Hooking: 50
    - Interference: 50

    AI
    - AI Learning: 0
    - CPU Difficulty Adjustment: 0
    - CPU Faceoff Difficulty: 50
    - Fight Difficulty: 50
    - CPU Strategy Adjustment: 2/6

    Assisted Strategies ( found in settings menu in Franchise and in settings menu for Team select)
    - User assisted Strategies: 2/6 (Critical to remember for its ability to effect game speed.)

    Sound Settings (T.V. Broadcast)
    - Master Volume: 9/10
    - Coach Calls Volume: 2/10
    - Arena Announcer Volume: 5/10
    - Arena Music Volume: 6/10
    - Commentary Volume: 8/10
    - Crowd Volume: 8/10
    - Goal Horn Volume: 7/10
    - SFX Volume: 7/10 [/B]

    Although many of you might already know this, there’s an important detail to keep in mind when switching slider sets: the Fall and Stumble Fall Ease slider under Checking settings always resets to 30 when a new set is applied, so be sure to adjust it back.

    After correcting this, exit the sliders menu without saving, and head directly to the Rules section. Here, you’ll notice that Post Whistle Rules often defaults to Relaxed after a slider set change. Be sure to change this back to Authentic, then return to the sliders menu to save the set.


    This reset happens every time you change slider sets, so it’s worth double-checking to maintain accuracy. Making these adjustments ensures your gameplay remains consistent and as realistic as intended.

    AFTER SETTING SLIDERS, REMEMBER TO EXIT GAME AND REBOOT CONSOLE.

    Full Info on Slider saving:

    Set your sliders and save them..
    Be sure to also check your Fall and Stumble Fall Ease slider under Checking and Post Whistle Rules under Rules in Settings. Then save your set.

    Exit the Game Completely:

    After you’ve made your changes and exited the settings menu, it’s important to fully exit the game.

    Reboot the Console:
    Rebooting the console is necessary to ensure that the game fully reloads all settings from the beginning. Sometimes, exiting and re-entering the game isn’t enough, and old settings might still be in use, or the new settings may not load properly. Rebooting clears the console’s memory and ensures the settings are correctly applied and stable for your session.

    Re-enter the Game:
    After rebooting, re-enter the game without touching the settings menu. Doing so ensures that your changes are reflected in gameplay without triggering any further reloads or resets. Avoid entering the settings menu unless absolutely necessary to prevent the game from reloading the settings and potentially causing issues with your slider configurations.

    Any Further Changes in Settings:
    If you make any additional changes in the settings menu after your initial adjustments, this can trigger a reload of the sliders. Even minor changes in sound, or gameplay settings can cause the game to reload all settings—including sliders. This reload could lead to unintended changes or a skewed slider configuration if you don't immediately exit the game and reboot your console after making your adjustments.

    Ensuring Proper Slider Application:
    Following this method should ensure that the game correctly loads and applies your settings. This reduces the chances of unintended changes to sliders or gameplay and helps maintain the desired experience.

    Consistency:
    By rebooting and ensuring the settings are loaded freshly, you ensure consistent and stable gameplay. This reduces the chances of encountering bugs or errors with sliders, ensuring a smoother and more predictable experience.

    Sleep Mode:
    If you're having trouble with slider settings not applying correctly in NHL, the issue might be tied to the Xbox Series X's sleep mode. I’ve been incredibly frustrated dealing with this, as I noticed my sliders weren’t sticking—even after rebooting the game. I stumbled upon the problem after seeing that my sliders had changed following a long pause in the game. That’s when I suspected sleep mode was somehow interfering.

    To address this, I turned off sleep mode completely, switched to Energy-Saving Mode under Settings > Power Options, and performed a full shutdown. Upon rebooting, I discovered my sliders were different from what I had set earlier. It seems that sleep mode prevents proper saving and reloading of settings, even after a reboot.

    Important Reminder: If my sliders seem slow in any way, that's a clear sign you need to reboot your console and reenter the game. Go straight to Franchise mode afterward. Avoid entering the settings menu unless you're planning to save, exit the game, and do a full console reboot. This will ensure everything runs as intended. Just a heads-up!


    Let me know how these play out for you and if there’s anything you think could be improved. These sliders are the result of a lot of time and effort, and I hope they give you the same enjoyment they’ve given me. Thanks for reading.



    Occam's NHL 25 CPU vs CPU Sliders Gameplay Videos



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    Last edited by Occam; 01-12-2025, 08:19 AM.
    "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." – Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

    "Creativity takes courage." – Henri Matisse
  • TopSide83
    MVP
    • Sep 2016
    • 1395

    #2
    Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

    What camera do you use?

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    • Occam
      Rookie
      • Sep 2022
      • 270

      #3
      Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

      Originally posted by TopSide83
      What camera do you use?

      I have to be honest—I primarily play CPU vs. CPU. For that, I use True Broadcast with the authentic puck size and all meters and bars turned off, except for player names.

      For user vs. CPU gameplay, the most realistic camera is generally Dynamic Medium. It provides a good balance between visibility and an authentic on-ice perspective, allowing you to see the action while staying immersed in the gameplay. If you’re looking for a more TV-style presentation, True Broadcast works well, but it can take some getting used to for manual control.

      "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." – Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

      "Creativity takes courage." – Henri Matisse

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      • Spragga
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        • Jun 2003
        • 233

        #4
        Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

        can you post some gameplay vids?

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        • Occam
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          • Sep 2022
          • 270

          #5
          Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

          Three Days, Countless Hours, and a Mission Accomplished


          Greetings,

          After an intense, non-stop three days of testing, tweaking, and perfecting, I am beyond excited to share my slider set with all of you. This project has been nothing short of a labor of love, driven by an obsession to create the most authentic NHL gameplay experience possible.

          The Journey
          The process began with a singular goal: make the game look, feel, and flow like a true NHL broadcast. This wasn’t just about sliders—it was about precision, passion, and paying homage to the beautiful game of hockey. Adjusting sliders is like solving a Rubik’s Cube; every change impacts another aspect, and balance is both critical and challenging to achieve.

          One of the most important breakthroughs was using Connor McDavid to tune skating speed. I went into practice mode and timed McDavid’s goal-line-to-goal-line skate to match his real-life speed as closely as possible. The result? McDavid clocked in at 6.7 seconds for the 200-foot sprint with these settings, a testament to the precision of the tuning.

          I didn’t stop there. Players like McDavid, Travis Konecny, and Clayton Keller posed a unique challenge: their speed and quickness are unmatched, and in many slider setups, they can look like uncontrolled whirlwinds on the ice. To fix this, I deliberately slowed the game speed to ensure their movements felt fast yet controlled. My logic was simple: if I could balance the game for the league’s speedsters, everything else would fall into place. And it worked beautifully.

          Critical Save Instructions
          When you input these sliders, it’s vital to **save the set and exit the game completely** before restarting your console and reentering the game. The game is known to have bugs that can skew slider values if not reset properly. Following this process ensures that the values you’ve set remain exactly as intended.

          The Collaboration
          Over these three days, I had the incredible assistance of ChatGPT, who became an indispensable part of the process. Together, we analyzed every slider—examining their effects on game speed, flow, player behavior, and overall immersion. We debated values, ran tests, and left no stone unturned in pursuit of authenticity. Whether it was finding the right balance for skating impact or tuning fatigue recovery to match 6-minute periods, this was a true team effort.

          The Result
          The end result is a slider set that captures the heart of the NHL. Players skate like they should, the puck moves with a natural rhythm, and the game speed feels just right. Shots, passes, penalties—everything flows like you’d expect from a real NHL game. Even the penalties, which can be tricky to balance, feel random and varied while still aligning with real-world averages.

          When you step onto the ice with this set, you’ll notice the difference immediately. The gameplay is fluid, the stats are realistic, and, most importantly, the game feels alive.

          Why This Matters
          This project was about more than just sliders—it was about creating a shared experience for hockey fans everywhere. As NHL fans, we all want that feeling of stepping into the rink and playing the game we love. I believe this set delivers on that promise, and I hope it enhances your love for the game as much as it has mine.

          What’s Next?
          I’ll be sharing gameplay videos soon (I haven't slept yet as of this posting) but I'm massively exhausted and will post them later when rested, so you can see the results for yourself. If you have any questions or suggestions, I’m all ears.

          A massive thank you for ChatGPT, my collaborator and hockey scientist extraordinaire.

          This has been an incredible journey, and I’m proud to share the fruits of our labor with all of you.


          Best regards,

          Occam


          ***These sliders were created on NHL 24***
          Last edited by Occam; 12-06-2024, 10:01 AM.
          "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." – Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

          "Creativity takes courage." – Henri Matisse

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          • jjwhite001
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            • Jul 2012
            • 180

            #6
            Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

            These are for Cpu vs Cpu?
            Just want to make sure.

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            • Occam
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              • Sep 2022
              • 270

              #7
              Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

              These are mainly for cpu vs cpu. But I'd be interested to see how they play user vs cpu.
              "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." – Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

              "Creativity takes courage." – Henri Matisse

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              • Spragga
                Rookie
                • Jun 2003
                • 233

                #8
                Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

                The issue with Superstar is that it essentially makes all the players the same rating, especially when you put the AE at 10. The solution to this is to put the AE at 0 to balance it out. I did this last night and it played even better. On superstar and AE at 10 the CPU goalies are too good almost.

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                • Spragga
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 233

                  #9
                  Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

                  Glad to help, it's difficult to get the right balance when you change the skill setting and AE. Also with AE set at 0 the game moves at a faster pace, not sure if you know this but at 10 it slows the game down. I will say your skating settings are the best I've felt in this game yet. I think im finally ready to start my season as im really happy with these settings.

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                  • Occam
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                    • Sep 2022
                    • 270

                    #10
                    Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

                    Important Note for NHL Players and Content Creators Experiencing Slider Inconsistencies and Recording Issues:

                    Some players, including myself, have noticed that gameplay speed and flow can feel different after making slider adjustments or playing for extended periods. This issue may be linked to how NHL handles settings in memory, potentially causing minor inconsistencies in the applied slider values as the game progresses. Additionally, when recording gameplay directly to a USB drive or internal storage on console, I've observed that the sliders or game speed can appear to be affected, leading to discrepancies in how the game feels compared to the intended settings.

                    Solution:

                    1. After Adjustments:
                    If you've recently changed your sliders, save the settings, then completely restart your console before playing. This ensures the game fully reloads your configurations, applying the new values correctly.

                    2. After Long Play Sessions:
                    If you notice gameplay feeling inconsistent, save your progress, exit the game, and perform a full console restart. This helps reset the game engine and clears any memory-related issues that might arise from extended play.

                    3. When Recording Gameplay:
                    It seems that recording gameplay directly to a USB drive or in internal storage on Xbox may interfere with the performance of sliders and game speed. The act of capturing video while playing can slow down gameplay and affect the slider settings, causing inconsistencies. If you’re capturing gameplay, it’s best to either record externally or avoid recording during gameplay sessions that require precise slider tuning.

                    Why This Helps:

                    Restarting your console clears the game’s cache and ensures saved settings are correctly loaded, resolving any inconsistencies. Similarly, recording gameplay externally or without affecting gameplay can preserve the accuracy of your slider values. These steps are crucial in maintaining the realism and balance of your game, especially if you're using highly tuned sliders for a more authentic NHL experience.

                    "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." – Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

                    "Creativity takes courage." – Henri Matisse

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                    • Spragga
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                      • Jun 2003
                      • 233

                      #11
                      Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

                      These stats are great, I was CLB. I did try this game with a change to the sliders, i increased the game speed to 1 and really liked how it played out. I will play a few more with it at 1 and see if I go back to 0.
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                      • Fiddy
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 12613

                        #12
                        Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

                        Originally posted by Spragga
                        These stats are great, I was CLB. I did try this game with a change to the sliders, i increased the game speed to 1 and really liked how it played out. I will play a few more with it at 1 and see if I go back to 0.
                        Love seeing box scores like this one, good stuff!

                        Now, I wish no matter the sliders any of us use, see box scores just like that but with some 2-1 scores etc. But that's on EA.

                        That game looked like a fun one to play.
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                        • Occam
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                          Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

                          I made quite a few changes to the settings last night, so be sure to check the Original Post (OP) for the latest updates. While I’ve also listed the changes in a post above, the OP will always have the most current tweaks.

                          This morning, I woke up, took one look at the game speed, and couldn’t resist making one final tweak. I had to laugh because I just couldn’t help myself! I lowered Max Pass Speed from 50 to 45, and it completely tied the set together, bringing everything into perfect balance. Let me know what you think after testing it out
                          Last edited by Occam; 12-14-2024, 04:44 PM.
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                          • Fiddy
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                            • Jul 2002
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                            #14
                            Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

                            Originally posted by Occam
                            Hey everyone, quick heads-up!

                            I made quite a few changes to the settings last night, so be sure to check the Original Post (OP) for the latest updates. I’ve also listed the changes in a post above, but the OP will always have the most current tweaks.
                            Slideritus is real! LOL. Love it..
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                            • Occam
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                              • Sep 2022
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                              #15
                              Re: Occam's NHL 24 and NHL 25 Sliders

                              You're not kidding lol! I'm going to step away for a little bit after today LOL! Now...just one more change. Just kidding. This AE 2 has given me fits to balance. I'm comfortable with where its at now, but it was feeling impossible for a little bit.
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