CPU only shoots close to goal

[bryta47]

Hey, I suspect this isn't so much of a slider question as it is bad AI programming, but as the title suggest: when I play the CPU the only take shots from deep in the slot, close to the crease - and it's kills all immersion of a hockey game.

Do you guys recognice this, and has anyone found a solution to make the AI more dynamic with taking shots from the wholezone, including the blue line?

I know the AI is very boring to play against, but this single issue really kills the whole game for me.

[Snoopy01]

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I agree..I see that too. I have played about 10 games in and have not seen a slap shot from the blue line yet.

Although the rest of the game seems to be pretty competitive,,,lack of CPU slap shots from the blue line makes the game predictable.

You don't have to worry about covering the blue line. Just concentrate on the slot area and the CPU can hardly score.

[phillyfan23]

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This is a HUGE problem in nhl 22. When the forwards get the puck in your zone, they will have tunnel vision and attack the net with close in shots even when it is covered. They rarely rarely pass the puck to back to the points, and when they do, all the dmen do is pass the puck back down low for the forwards.

Not only is this one dimensional, the cpu dmen rarely rarely shoot at all. In nhl 20 cpu dmen involvement in offense is perfect, they rush, they take screened wristers, slap shots/one timers from points.

Even after editing cpu ai dmen shot bias to 0 ( max shot tendency), they still on average in my games register 2 shots on net per game. And 90 percent are wristers.

The shot bias for dmen looks like its more for simulation stats. For me this is a big gameplay killer.


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[THESHAMISASHAME]

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This is a HUGE problem in nhl 22. When the forwards get the puck in your zone, they will have tunnel vision and attack the net with close in shots even when it is covered. They rarely rarely pass the puck to back to the points, and when they do, all the dmen do is pass the puck back down low for the forwards.

Not only is this one dimensional, the cpu dmen rarely rarely shoot at all. In nhl 20 cpu dmen involvement in offense is perfect, they rush, they take screened wristers, slap shots/one timers from points.

Even after editing cpu ai dmen shot bias to 0 ( max shot tendency), they still on average in my games register 2 shots on net per game. And 90 percent are wristers.

The shot bias for dmen looks like its more for simulation stats. For me this is a big gameplay killer.


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I agree with you but with hipnotiics sliders I see tons of point shots , tip ins and goals as it's all how you setup your sliders . I played many sets and with skill tweaks it plays the most like real hockey for myself .

[bryta47]

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I agree with you but with hipnotiics sliders I see tons of point shots , tip ins and goals as it's all how you setup your sliders . I played many sets and with skill tweaks it plays the most like real hockey for myself .

Interesting. I have tried a lot of different adjustments without manage any changes to the horrible CPU programming. They still mostly force themselves all the way to the crease before shooting. Or try a one time pass. Could you maybe link to the slider set you mention?

[The EVHL]

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Interesting. I have tried a lot of different adjustments without manage any changes to the horrible CPU programming. They still mostly force themselves all the way to the crease before shooting. Or try a one time pass. Could you maybe link to the slider set you mention?

He's talking about my "gamechanger" ones that are posted. I actually have a newer set I still am tweaking/finalizing before I post on here, but my sliders + strategy adjustments have lead to the CPU attempting point shots a decent amount of the time.

I am one who refuses to play franchise mode because a "single team" experience without being able to adjust the CPU strategies leads to boring gameplay. I also use a custom roster set as well and will be keeping track of a season on an excel sheet rather than using the in-game season mode.

It's a radical approach to playing this game, but it's the best experience I've ever had playing an EA game too. For me, there's no other way to do it.

Preseason game if anyone is interested:

https://youtu.be/u5TibmUGg4w

[JMKA2024]

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Looks great! Can't wait for you to post the new sliders + strategy adjustments.

[phillyfan23]

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He's talking about my "gamechanger" ones that are posted. I actually have a newer set I still am tweaking/finalizing before I post on here, but my sliders + strategy adjustments have lead to the CPU attempting point shots a decent amount of the time.

I am one who refuses to play franchise mode because a "single team" experience without being able to adjust the CPU strategies leads to boring gameplay. I also use a custom roster set as well and will be keeping track of a season on an excel sheet rather than using the in-game season mode.

It's a radical approach to playing this game, but it's the best experience I've ever had playing an EA game too. For me, there's no other way to do it.

Preseason game if anyone is interested:
https://youtu.be/u5TibmUGg4w

Looks like you are my long lost EA NHL twin brother....check the screenshots

[The EVHL]

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Looks like you are my long lost EA NHL twin brother....check the screenshots

Okay cleared my cache and now I can see the screenshots...those are awesome lol! Rather than doing NHL teams, I'm creating my own league and everyone will have equal attributes and strategies used + I'll play 1/2 the game with each team! You should check out my discord if you find the project interesting, you can make a CAP and put them on a team of your choosing!

[JMKA2024]

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Hey Phillyfan...Like what you've done there! Couple of questions, what slider set do you use? For the strat settings what numbers are you not including with the Offensive and Defensive Lines? I know the offensive lines have four different settings and the defensive lines have two.

[phillyfan23]

CPU only shoots close to goal

Hey Phillyfan...Like what you've done there! Couple of questions, what slider set do you use? For the strat settings what numbers are you not including with the Offensive and Defensive Lines? I know the offensive lines have four different settings and the defensive lines have two.

I use this for nhl 20 and use my own slider set. The reason why i dont use 21/22 is because of the cpu dmen offensive ai discussed in this thread.

The d line settings are pinch/hold line and cycle/shoot.

All d lines I set at 10 for cycle/shoot to promote cpu dmen shot aggressiveness (works great) so the only settings that are different team to team and line to line on the defense is the hold line/ pinch settings.

For offensive lines, i use 5/10 for cycle/shoot for all teams and lines.

Things that are varied are dump/carry, energy, and block shots settings.

Like hipnotic said, doing this will make your gameplay experience much better, because you can feel the difference between conservative teams ( dallas, islanders) vs high octane (edmonton, pit, washington) or even a carry team vs dump and chase team.

These team strategies are not random, as I researched each team's strategies and tendencies. This was done around 6 months ago. The flyers for example with the fired vigneault were heavy on the dump ins and stretch passes. Islanders offensive lines according to my research was heavy dump and chase heavy forecheck team except the Barzal line, which carried the puck in zone most times. I tried to reflect that in the settings.

Powerplay/Pk , breakouts, def strategies were all based on research. Im sure there are mistakes here, coz this was done only by one person. But i guess it could be a starting template and each teams' fans could chime in with their team set up to make this excel sheet even more accurate.


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[JMKA2024]

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Thanks for the explanation! I try to set up teams in season mode with accurate strategy settings, but yours seem to be much more researched than mine.

[phillyfan23]

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Okay cleared my cache and now I can see the screenshots...those are awesome lol! Rather than doing NHL teams, I'm creating my own league and everyone will have equal attributes and strategies used + I'll play 1/2 the game with each team! You should check out my discord if you find the project interesting, you can make a CAP and put them on a team of your choosing!

Im actually right now trying your sliders and they feel very different than default settings and feel better for sure. The lower agility makes skating have great weight to it. Like it a lot.

How are you promoting cpu dmen shooting in these sliders? Could you elaborate into that?

What did you change in the sliders to make this happen more?

Thanks


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[phillyfan23]

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double post

[johnnydrum]

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PhillyFan
How are you doing buddy---grettings from the UK.
Going to pop a PM over to you as I am definatley tracking this info.

For the past decade, in order to get real seperation between the players I spend about 2 months reducing a lot of the Player Attributes (especially Puck Control, and Endurance ) to make the "Stars" shine out.

(This has been a massive pain this year, with having to wait for a patch to fix the "syncing" bug, then the first Roster Update was missing player Portraits, and Play by Play names, which caused me to have to restart)
Finally, we were good to go...managed to get through 60 games of my Offline Season)--then the recent Patch dropped and knocked EVERYTHING out of whack again....

POST PATCH (66 games in on S/STAR) , suddenly the CPU wasnt shooting on net, apart from when it moves towards the goal (point shots, deflections/ tip ins dissapeared), and vise versa, every slap shout /point shot I attempted were "muffled" out before they got anywhere near.
Theres no or little variation in goals any more, no tips/defelctions, no breakaways etc,t off the rush snipes etc:
even the CPU will collect the puck, my D will collapse, move into the slot and fire...and thats pretty much it?!

Desperate to continue (having spent 3 months on it), but really finding the game now plays without any realistic flow.
For ALL its faults. (and I know I am probably alone here) but NHL 21 (eventually at least) played a more varied game.


ANY INFO /HELP WOULD BE MASSIVE.