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Old 10-11-2015, 02:39 PM   #9
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Test 2: Player Separation Over the Course of a Season

I think most of us dislike the in-game player separation. It's hard to tell, on-ice, that X player is better than Y, when that same comparison is so clear in real life. Yet at the same time, it's been pointed out that the right players get the higher point totals through an 82-game simulated season. The counter to that has been that those players are getting the higher point totals because of their high ice time. Let's see what happens when the Philadelphia Flyers play one season with normal lines, and one season with the lines completely reversed.

I'm not focusing on NHL results (I will note the Stanley Cup winner each time), but on individual player statistics. No playoff comparison; that's hardly different enough in game to merit a comparison. Injuries are off to maintain the exact same lines through the course of the season. Assistant Coach Edit Lines is set to 'No' for the same reason.

2015/2016 Philadelphia Flyers: Normal Lines

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Let's take a look at the player stats, in descending order of points.

Philadelphia Flyers Stats - 2015/16
SkatersGPGAPTS+/-GWPIMSOGSPCT
J. Voracek8231407171426611.65
C. Giroux8227406741025710.51
M. Streit82741480141654.24
S. Couturier82232144174014915.44
W. Simmonds8221224394219310.88
B. Schenn821923420671999.55
S. Gagner82161935-13413811.59
M. Del Zotto8223234-381421.41
V. Lecavalier821220325241259.60
R. Umberger82920298341277.09
A. MacDonald82224265381611.24
M. Read82111425-481189.32
M. Raffl82101222-621188.47
P. Bellemare82111021-8109811.22
R. White8261319-2361095.50
R. Gudas82313161046515.88
L. Schenn82411156541173.42
N. Schultz82178244502.00


This team made the playoffs as a wild card, swept Detroit in the first round, beat Montréal in 5 games in the second round, and fell to Pittsburgh in 6 games in the ECF. Pittsburgh, in turn, fell to the Vancouver Canucks in 7 games in a very good SCF.


Next up: a season with the lines reversed.

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Old 10-11-2015, 02:41 PM   #10
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I get what your saying and I can almost tell which sliders interact with each other by doing this but your right a more accurate way is one slider at a time. Not sure I have the patience for that LOL. Over all I saw very little difference in the CPU in my game played with sliders minimized and I suspect I will see little difference with sliders maximized meaning they do very little to nothing. Your passing experiment is showing the same. Looking forward to your next one.
Yep, no disrespect meant, long-term gamers can tell which sliders affect what, but for the purpose of the experiment I prefer to keep things simple. Yeah, haha, patience is hard to come by especially for this game.
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Old 10-11-2015, 03:24 PM   #11
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2015/2016 Philadelphia Flyers: Reversed Lines


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Here are the team stats for the last-place Philadelphia Flyers:

Philadelphia Flyers Stats - 2015/16
SkatersGPGAPTS+/-GWPIMSOGSPCT
S. Couturier82193655-223516211.73
M. Read822323464215215.13
S. Gagner82182543-19171929.38
R. White82182038-178816510.91
B. Schenn8223143775714216.20
M. Raffl821027375101586.33
J. Voracek821615319612213.11
M. Del Zotto8262430-2471504.00
P. Bellemare82111930-2361736.36
R. Gudas82227293105892.25
C. Giroux8292029621187.63
R. Umberger82141529-164111911.76
A. MacDonald8232124-5221012.97
V. Lecavalier82131023-171612210.66
W. Simmonds8271623332917.69
N. Schultz82215175601091.83
M. Streit8241115-142884.55
L. Schenn8211314-21671220.82


In conclusion, the simulation engine works pretty well for player and stat differentiation. Increased ice time for worse players saw their stats jump and lowered ice time for better players led to a decrease in their stats, but the overall point totals were much lower, so that's good.

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Old 10-11-2015, 03:46 PM   #12
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Nice info. I have always felt the simulated games stat wise were pretty good and accurate to player skill and ice time. It's in the actual played games where the lack of player seperation is evident. I wonder though if they had better player seperation, like we all want, if it would jack up simulated stats.
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great stuff you two....keep it coming.
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To go back to Test 1, I played an OHL game to test whether it was a problem with attributes. Perhaps the higher NHL attributes offset the slider adjustments?

The answer is, hell no. I played one game, Test 1 settings with passing accuracy minimized. Here are the brief results.

London Knights (Human) Passing %: 52
Sudbury Wolves (CPU) Passing %: 75
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all this does is prove my theory that EA's answer to creating a more challenging game is by making the CPU cheat and making your CPU teammates stupid. The two CPU's play completely differently when they should be the same. Instead of programing a proper AI, this bull**** shortcut is what we get and what we will always get.

Oh well....
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Old 10-11-2015, 05:48 PM   #16
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Thanks for the testing and hope to see more results as well. I have seen, as no doubt others have seen, when the CPU was not going to let you win a particular game in offline season mode. You could just feel it, that no matter what you did, you were going to lose. I just assume, that an 'off night' for my team is programmed in, like in reality, when a strong team loses to a weak team. No way to prove that of course, but those games feel different to the rest, at least to me.
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