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  • #1
    Haz____
    Omaewa mou shindeiru
    • Apr 2016
    • 4023

    The Sway/Lean Counter


    So my whole game is moving my feet, moving my head, and finding counters. I see a lot of people abuse the Parry, but I don't see hardly anyone looking for proper Sway Counters.

    The extent of many peoples head movement, is just leaning straight back, or just rotating the stick in circles. Leaning back can be effective, but the mindless spinning and hoping you'll dodge something isn't.

    One technique I use frequently is the Lean, or Sway Counter. We you lean to the right and throw a Jab, you lunge out a very fast Jab. When you lean to the left and throw a Right Straight, you lunge with a fast Straight. By using these you can slip your opponents strikes and unleash a counter right away. You can counter with an entire combo in some cases.

    Here's a fun video/ example of me using this exact technique multiple times to set up the finish.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UmEOXzLog7U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    And some more finishes with this technique.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0YmyAiFTmJM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/fBJUFFuySe0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



    There a few different way to make this work. I have a few different techniques, and then just link them together.

    Basically I like to pump a right Lean. This is a real life technique. The idea is the it slips the opponents Jab. Remember off the Lean, at any point you can lunge with a Jab, so by pumping it, it can act like a feint, and keep the speedy Jab ready to fire whenever.

    Another thing I'll do, which you can see in the first video, is lean to the right, then rock back, and rock to the right lean again. Just adjusting range can slip hooks and kicks, and uppercuts, etc, and can draw out an attack to counter. A very effective draw technique when combined with good movement. The opponent sees you standing in 1 place and will think they can hit you, but you're using smart head movement, and can hopefully set up a counter.

    Another technique, which I don't have a video for i don't think, is the Slip and roll. These are all real life techniques that totally work in the game. So you are pumping your right lean, the opponent Jabs, you slip the Jab, and immediatly roll under to the left, which is gonna dodge any Hook the opponent throws, then you throw a Right Straight or Hook, and with the Lean, it fires out a special animation much faster Straight or hook, for a devestating Counter.


    If you want to continue head movement, you can either roll back to the Right, Or lean Back, which will dodge the follow up left hand side Jab/Hook/Kick


    I use these techniques in combinations with each other constantly, and it works great for my style. I don't see really anyone else playing like me. Maybe it would be something worth trying out!


    Hope this made sense. Haha
    Last edited by Haz____; 05-02-2017, 05:24 PM.
    PSN: Lord__Hazanko

    Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports
  • #2
    Ksearyback
    Pro
    • Jun 2016
    • 639

    Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


    Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

    Nice. Good stuff. I like the realism. Any idea if the game registers these counters as more damaging than the same cross (for example) without first slipping the opponents punch via the sway?

    Either way, I like it.

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    • #3
      Dave_S
      Dave
      • Apr 2016
      • 7835

      Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


      Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

      I've been beat up good by these. Some dudes use forward dash in a pretty effective way as well
      Last edited by Dave_S; 05-03-2017, 10:07 AM.

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      • #4
        Generative James
        VideoGame PseudoScientist
        • Jun 2016
        • 463

        Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


        Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

        Nice tips! I'll definitely try these out next time I get a chance to play!
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        • #5
          WarMMA
          MVP
          • Apr 2016
          • 4612

          Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


          Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

          Yup these are definitely effective and work. I find the head movement in this game a bit wonky though and the strikes off it feel sluggish. Feels much more fluid and responsive in FNC. Idk what happened considering the same ppl made this game.

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          • #6
            Haz____
            Omaewa mou shindeiru
            • Apr 2016
            • 4023

            Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


            Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

            Head Movement works.

            <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/E7WBzWJix-c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

            If people focused more on head movement, and ringcraft, rather than 6 strike stun combos, we would have a way more fun, and realistic game/ meta.
            Last edited by Haz____; 05-07-2017, 12:21 PM.
            PSN: Lord__Hazanko

            Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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            • #7
              Haz____
              Omaewa mou shindeiru
              • Apr 2016
              • 4023

              Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


              Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

              Originally posted by Dave_S
              I've been beat up good by these. Some dudes use forward dash in a pretty effective way as well
              Yeah I use that heavily also. It's not as powerful as in UFC 1, but it can still be pretty effective. Dashing Jabs, or even Straights can be effective. You can Dash into a 1-2, or Jab/Straight -> Overhand also. You can Forward Dash into a Lead hook also, but it's pretty tricky to execute.

              1 other thing that I don't think most people know about, are the Back Dash modified strikes. So just like how when you lean left or right, and throw the jab/straight you'll get the lunging animation. Well if you dash back, and imminently throw a jab/straight/hook, you actually do a immediate lunging strike, which is perfect for countering with.

              Originally posted by Ksearyback
              Nice. Good stuff. I like the realism. Any idea if the game registers these counters as more damaging than the same cross (for example) without first slipping the opponents punch via the sway?

              Either way, I like it.
              Yes it does do extra damage. Also the extra speed boost it gives to your strikes is huge too.
              PSN: Lord__Hazanko

              Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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              • #8
                Kenetic NRG
                EA Game Changer
                • May 2016
                • 711

                Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


                Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

                I've been trying to master the sways in the past few weeks. I think it's the most under valued tool in the game.. when done correctly it is absolutely nasty.

                Haz can I post a few clips in here?
                https://youtu.be/p1Idg-SItm4?t=2377

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                • #9
                  Haz____
                  Omaewa mou shindeiru
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 4023

                  Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


                  Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

                  Originally posted by Kenetic NRG
                  I've been trying to master the sways in the past few weeks. I think it's the most under valued tool in the game.. when done correctly it is absolutely nasty.

                  Haz can I post a few clips in here?
                  Yes please.

                  Any tips or tricks you've picked up on?




                  Where's Manly at? I know he has some slick af head movement also. He probably has a few tricks of the trade.
                  PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                  Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                  • #10
                    Kenetic NRG
                    EA Game Changer
                    • May 2016
                    • 711

                    Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


                    Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

                    Originally posted by Haz____
                    Yes please.

                    Any tips or tricks you've picked up on?




                    Where's Manly at? I know he has some slick af head movement also. He probably has a few tricks of the trade.


                    Here is Onzah going into the matrix... best sways in the game easily

                    http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Kenetic%20NRG/video/30694284 (Skip to 0:39)


                    Pulling back to bait out the head kick, combo still links from the initial 1-2

                    http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Kenetic%20NRG/video/30694407

                    https://1drv.ms/v/s!Ag7MEqVX2mgvg0vK8C_POnJrrNZc (Get rekt Onzah)

                    Here is a favorite, I showed him the lean -> Jab - > overhand, noticed he blocked the overhand then leaned back. So the next combo was a lean -- > jab, then a pause into a re lean jab (to catch him trying to lean back) with the follow up overhand.




                    Another favorite, linking a combo with a sway (All 4 strikes are combo multiplied leading up to the rock)



                    Another one like the one above, linking combo after 3 strikes to jab overhand (all 5 link)

                    https://youtu.be/p1Idg-SItm4?t=2377

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                    • #11
                      fishingtime
                      Handling it
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 1738

                      Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


                      Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

                      Going to have to revisit this.

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                      • #12
                        Donnie_Brasco_FR
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 572

                        Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


                        Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

                        All of this is beautiful but you have to recognize the way you use it is hazardous.
                        Nothing "Sim" in there like parry spam before the nerf MAJ.
                        It reminds me UD series where people did a sway before attacking not due to the fact they analized opponent attack and pattern but because of the OP thing.
                        All of this is OK with me but you got to nerf this just like parry, for exemple give a Damage bonus if you get countered during your sway, make sway consuming stamina... like this, it will calm down those who spam it like It calmed down those who spammed parry.
                        Sway and all those tools must be a part of the mind game!

                        <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/njuWTUmjFjk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                        We need to see this in the game,i think it was the second time Overeem caught him with this sway and a hook and this one Was the right one.
                        I think too he saw the opening JDS left with his jab.
                        Last edited by Donnie_Brasco_FR; 05-07-2017, 05:34 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Dave_S
                          Dave
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 7835

                          Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


                          Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

                          only thing that needs nerfed about the parry is maybe the switch straight counter

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                          • #14
                            Kenetic NRG
                            EA Game Changer
                            • May 2016
                            • 711

                            Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


                            Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

                            I love this community. Everyone complains about parries, I stop parrying and get good at head sways. Now head sways are OP for some reason


                            Stan, there is nothing wrong with those sways besides the combo multiplier. You get added damage bonus if you slip a strike. The speed is gained from directional sway + specific strike.

                            You can easily counter a sway with a sway of your own, OR be like all the other cheap bastards and just throw body kicks to nullify skill of the game.
                            https://youtu.be/p1Idg-SItm4?t=2377

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                            • #15
                              Dave_S
                              Dave
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 7835

                              Re: The Sway/Lean Counter


                              Re: The Sway/Lean Counter

                              I'm pretty sure if I played kenetic and he didn't touch controller I could find something to complain about.

                              That's why he's ducking me.

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