Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

[xtremeba1000]

Right now we've got Joanna with 94 striking. We saw from the fight saturday she basically has NO power in her punches at all. She is basically a point fighter and that is her only way to win unless she lasts like 50 shots in a row (esparza)
We saw Rose is basically an all around better boxer and striker and the power and speed difference was HUGE. Joanna won two rounds with leg kicks. That is about all she did the whole fight. her straight right is garbage and looks really weird and overexerted yet still has no power at all. I hope her stats get lowered mainly. She has good cardio and awesome leg kicks but she doesn't have any kind of boxing talent at all and no power. She landed a clean headkick and there was no reaction at all from Rose. So not much power in her kicks either. With her stats lowered I would love to play that division in ranked!

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

Joanna's leg kicks did some pretty good damage. I think her kicks are legit.

You're right in that she's pillow fisted. But her stand up is great, Rose just did an amazing job of maintaining distance. I think this once again shows the issue with combing power stats. Joanna has a very crisp jab but Rose had her over extending on the right due to distance management.

If anything Rose deserves a nice bump in striking instead of Joanna being nerfed. She still dominated literally everyone else in the stand up.

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

Joanna's leg kicks did some pretty good damage. I think her kicks are legit.

You're right in that she's pillow fisted. But her stand is great, Rose just did an amazing job of maintaining distance. I think this once again shows the issue with combing power stats. Joanna ya a very crisp jab but Rose had her over extending on the right due to distance management.

If anything Rose deserves a nice bump in striking instead of Joanna being nerfed. She still dominated literally everyone else in the stand up.

I'd rather Joanna be lowered in something. 94 striking is too high for someone pillow fisted. She should have a level 5 jab and level 5 leg kicks but she needs her standup stats to be lowered a bit overall. I am a fan of Joanna but shes not a 94 rated striker if you watched that fight

[WarMMA]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

I wouldn't say Rose is an all around better striker...Joanna definitely has more variety to her striking than Rose. Rose is a better boxer for sure though. What we saw happen in that is Rose do a better job of managing distance and getting in and out quickly with combinations. She also has very unorthadox movement that I think throws her opponents off...you never really know when she's gonna come in or feint, so it keeps the opponent on their heels or baits them and it definitely worked on Joanna. As far as Joanna's stats i'd say a slight reduction in power could do maybe. She doesn't really have heavy hands. But her leg kicks could also use a boost or a perk like tree chopper or something. She has nasty leg kicks.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

I'd rather Joanna be lowered in something. 94 striking is too high for someone pillow fisted. She should have a level 5 jab and level 5 leg kicks but she needs her standup stats to be lowered a bit overall. I am a fan of Joanna but shes not a 94 rated striker if you watched that fight

Power doesn't dictate striking ability

Joanna has literally dominated everyone not named Rose in striking and is a multiple time thai champion. 94 is very fair. I'm cool with her power being lowered but she more than deserves her rating. What Rose did doesn't diminish everything else Joanna has accomplished.

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

I wouldn't say Rose is an all around better striker...Joanna definitely has more variety to her striking than Rose. Rose is a better boxer for sure though. What we saw happen in that is Rose do a better job of managing distance and getting in and out quickly with combinations. She also has very unorthadox movement that I think throws her opponents off...you never really know when she's gonna come in or feint, so it keeps the opponent on their heels or baits them and it definitely worked on Joanna. As far as Joanna's stats i'd say a slight reduction in power could do maybe. She doesn't really have heavy hands. But her leg kicks could also use a boost or a perk like tree chopper or something. She has nasty leg kicks.

You think Joanna is a better striker after watching the fight saturday??? I think if someone beats someone at there own game for 25 minutes it usually means they are better at it. Joanna has a variety of attacks but in the game that is just having different moves and them being level 3-4. That doesn't mean she should have better stats just because she mixes it up more

[Nugget7211]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

I'd rather Joanna be lowered in something. 94 striking is too high for someone pillow fisted. She should have a level 5 jab and level 5 leg kicks but she needs her standup stats to be lowered a bit overall. I am a fan of Joanna but shes not a 94 rated striker if you watched that fight

You're looking at the overalls which is bad, what specific stats do you think should be lowered? Power, head movment? And what overall do you think she should be if we aren't raising Rose from 90? 89, 91? Because one overall point is 7 stat points spread across the individual ratings So if you want to equalise her and Rose's overalls, what 28 stat points should she lose? If you drop her power by 3 points to 88, which is a change I'd be fine with, she stays at a 94 overall.

You want her stats to be lowered, which stats and by how much? Bearing in mind that she has shown her self to be massively better than basically everyone but Rose on the feet in that division. Nerfing Joanna isn't the way to go, it's buffing Rose's power, footwork, speed and head movement in my opinion.

Also, the switch stat is making the overall gap larger between the two than it actually is in real terms, ignoring that stat, Rose is 92 and Joanna is 94

[Morgan Monkman]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

If you watch the exchanges Joanna closed her eyes lots and was always scared to get hit where as rose had her eyes wide open watching everything and wasn't scared to get hit.

I don't think Joanna has bad striking just the differences i highlighted above made all the difference.

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

Power doesn't dictate striking ability

Joanna has literally dominated everyone not named Rose in striking and is a multiple time thai champion. 94 is very fair. I'm cool with her power being lowered but she more than deserves her rating. What Rose did doesn't diminish everything else Joanna has accomplished.

so joanna gets a 94 for her mauy thai striking experience but holly holm and saki get 91? She dominated people with her movement, accuracy, and creativity of strikes she threw. The thing is moves don't play into stats. I KNOW she is super high level with her technique but she's not super powerful or lightning fast.

[theonlywoj]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

Striking is a baseline statistic. It's difficult to really know one-to-one because you have to take into account the individual strike levels on the fighter, right? It might make more sense to bump the move level of her lead hook and lead upper cut.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

so joanna gets a 94 for her mauy thai striking experience but holly holm and saki get 91? She dominated people with her movement, accuracy, and creativity of strikes she threw. The thing is moves don't play into stats. I KNOW she is super high level with her technique but she's not super powerful or lightning fast.

But she is lightning fast, she has good power in her kicks, she has endless cardio, great footwork, can throw combos from either stance.And to top it off she has consistently put on dominant performances with stand up. Like the only thing you can say is she doesn't have power in her hands.

Saki/Holly haven't dominated elite fighters consistently in the UFC. If they do then they'd deserve the same ratings.

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

You're looking at the overalls which is bad, what specific stats do you think should be lowered? Power, head movment? And what overall do you think she should be if we aren't raising Rose from 90? 89, 91? Because one overall point is 7 stat points spread across the individual ratings So if you want to equalise her and Rose's overalls, what 28 stat points should she lose? If you drop her power by 3 points to 88, which is a change I'd be fine with, she stays at a 94 overall.

You want her stats to be lowered, which stats and by how much? Bearing in mind that she has shown her self to be massively better than basically everyone but Rose on the feet in that division. Nerfing Joanna isn't the way to go, it's buffing Rose's power, footwork, speed and head movement in my opinion.

Also, the switch stat is making the overall gap larger between the two than it actually is in real terms, ignoring that stat, Rose is 92 and Joanna is 94

I will take a look at them later. I just haven't been impressed with her last few fights at all. She is REALLLLLLLLLLLLY good at certain things. Shes not the best all across the board

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

But she is lightning fast, she has good power in her kicks, she has endless cardio, great footwork, can throw combos from either stance.And to top it off she has consistently put on dominant performances with stand up. Like the only thing you can say is she doesn't have power in her hands.

Saki/Holly haven't dominated elite fighters consistently in the UFC. If they do then they'd deserve the same ratings.

They are in MUCH more competitive divisions than Joanna is. Joanna is the Ronda of the straw weight division. She was the best til other fighters got better and she stayed the same. I guess I'll stay away from that division in the game til she loses again.

[WarMMA]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

You think Joanna is a better striker after watching the fight saturday??? I think if someone beats someone at there own game for 25 minutes it usually means they are better at it. Joanna has a variety of attacks but in the game that is just having different moves and them being level 3-4. That doesn't mean she should have better stats just because she mixes it up more

When I say "better" I just mean her overall striking game...she has more tools and variety on the feet. That doesn't mean she win's though, as we all saw. With her striking stats yh I agree she could use a little nerf in power maybe, but the leg kicks need a boost...maybe a tree chopper perk would do.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Joanna's standup vs Roses' standup

They are in MUCH more competitive divisions than Joanna is. Joanna is the Ronda of the straw weight division. She was the best til other fighters got better and she stayed the same. I guess I'll stay away from that division in the game til she loses again.

She's lost to literally a single fighter that she had a competitive fight with on Saturday that you can argue she won (I don't think she did, but you can make a reasonable case for her IMO)

Do you think Aldo sucks because he lost to Holloway twice? Like, what? Also, ****ing LOL at thinking Women's Bantamweight is a more competitive division than Strawweight, or LHW for that matter tbh