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  • RomeroXVII
    MVP
    • May 2018
    • 1663

    #1

    What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

    https://youtu.be/v266JmmAs2E ESFL FIGHT.

    So since my ESFL fight against a really dangerous Gentle_ghost, people have been asking me how to hit the undeniable takedown I hit with Demetrious Johnson in the fight, along with prerequisites that are needed to hit them.

    According to the GPD to get the animation:

    Character must have a 90+ TD Offense Attribute.

    The move they hit must be them coming FORWARD. Nothing PLANTED.

    Has to be executed with the REGULAR Double Leg, not the Double Leg High.

    And with regards to the patch that buffed takedowns, a reminder that: If your opponent is moving AWAY the single leg is easier, if they are coming FORWARD, the double is easier. If you sway two strikes, for example the infamous Jab Uppercut Hook, you can get an Auto Regular TD there where the GA meter doesn't even exist.


    Now I don't know if GPD threw this in there, but this is something I have found out with practicing this:


    Somebody does a moving forward Head kick, you can hit the Auto TD, moving Spinning Heel Kick, you can hit the Undeniable TD OR the Tackle TD, if somebody misses a forward moving leg kick, Tackle TD, if it lands to the OUTSIDE of the lead leg, AUTOMATIC UNDENIABLE TD Double to Half Guard, for fighters with a 90+ TD Rating. Moving Forward Overhands, time a Double correctly, automatic TD with a 90+ TD Rating.

    Heck, if somebody hits a SUPERMAN PUNCH and you block and time it accordingly, you can hit the UNDENIABLE TD THERE AS WELL!

    *edit: Learned if somebody is coming forward with a jab hook and misses both you can hit the undeniable takedown from that as well.

    If the wonderful johnmangala can show me how to do some gifs, or even post a few onto here, that would be greatly appreciated.

    As for the single leg counters, they will not work if you try to predeny with them like a regular sprawl. They will only work, IF YOUR OPPONENT IS ON THE LEG, so keep that in mind, and they work BEST on guys trying to do the Single/Double Leg HIGH.

    Hence the term, COUNTER. Like in Wrestling, I'm not going to hit the counter preemptively otherwise I give up position early, my opponent has to be on my leg in order to hit the counters. Depending on your character, you can either use L2-R2 and UP for Double Unders, L2-R2 Left-Right with the right characters, (Edgar, Aldo for example) puts your opponent in SIDE Control. And the one you have to watch out for is the Single Leg Guillotine Counter (L2-R2 Down) and the Kimura Double Leg Counter. (L2-R2 Down) Be aware if you fail these, you get put in a weak position that your opponent can take advantage of.

    The main thing is to HOLD rather than flick, flicking does not work with the counters.

    I'll be doing a tutorial on how to hit these soon, but I just wanted to get these little details out there for everybody to take a look at.

    From AeroZeppelin:
    You can hit a diving low single/ankle pick on an opponent stiff-arm retreating within TD range.

    And you can land an Auto-TD whilst both fighters are planted if you use headmovement to avoid a heavy shot like an Overhand or Hook (tested as Blaydes vs Hunt)

    For example, if you sway a stationary overhand you can immediately time and auto-double off the sway. You have to be quick and I recall it occasionally and randomly not giving me the instant TD.

    Basically, as to my understanding, you can time auto TDs on advancing strikes, and you can use sways to get them on planted strikes.

    With the planted strikes however, I'm positive you need a slight stamina advantage, and the bigger than Advantage gets. The easier your insta-TD.


    Oh. And finally, you'll always get an instant TD on a taunting opponent (I dunno if you even need the 90 TD off here)

    HUGE INFO: With the addition of the lunges , if you successfully lunge to the side, evade a forward moving strike and go for a Takedown, you will hit the tackle takedown animation.

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    Last edited by RomeroXVII; 03-13-2019, 07:48 PM.
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  • 1212headkick
    Banned
    • Mar 2018
    • 1823

    #2
    Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

    You can hit the blast doubles planted as well there’s often an animation where you can take them down from the back as well if they’re head kicking. There’s two undeniable takedowns not one

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    • RomeroXVII
      MVP
      • May 2018
      • 1663

      #3
      Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

      Originally posted by 1212headkick
      You can hit the blast doubles planted as well there’s often an animation where you can take them down from the back as well if they’re head kicking. There’s two undeniable takedowns not one
      That's the tackle takedown I referred to. I hit both TDs in the ESFL fight. Although I like that one and it puts you in Backside. Reason why I prefer moving forward is that it's guaranteed Undeniable TD to Halfguard, whereas there is a slight chance the tackle TD won't appear and you run the risk of getting denied or worse, head kicked.


      I like it though 1212headkick! The more input the better, keep it going! Any more tips you know of?
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      • 1212headkick
        Banned
        • Mar 2018
        • 1823

        #4
        Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

        if you happen to miss the undeniable td you still get a very fast td slipping two strikes also gets you undeniable td make good use of teep kicks to get the body lock high

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        • johnmangala
          MVP
          • Apr 2016
          • 4525

          #5
          Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Countersigned,

          This is how you post gifs, find a link that ends with .gif

          Then place that link inside this code: [ Img ] [ /img ]

          https://www.combatdocket.com/wp-cont...2018/02/KO.gif -> [ Img ] [ /img ]

          Without spaces in the bracket.

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          • RomeroXVII
            MVP
            • May 2018
            • 1663

            #6
            Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Countersigned,

            Originally posted by johnmangala
            This is how you post gifs, find a link that ends with .gif

            Then place that link inside this code: [ Img ] [ /img ]

            https://www.combatdocket.com/wp-cont...2018/02/KO.gif -> [ Img ] [ /img ]

            Without spaces in the bracket.

            Ex:
            You're the man. Now, would it be possible to make a gif from a video that I'm going to post?
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            • johnmangala
              MVP
              • Apr 2016
              • 4525

              #7
              Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

              This is the way

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              • RomeroXVII
                MVP
                • May 2018
                • 1663

                #8
                Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

                Originally posted by johnmangala
                You have shown me de wae.

                Now back on topic, anybody else with good takedown tips?
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                • AeroZeppelin27
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2017
                  • 2287

                  #9
                  Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

                  I didn't see this two explicitly mentioned so ill chuck them out there:

                  You can hit a diving low single/ankle pick on an opponent stiff-arm retreating within TD range.

                  And you can land an Auto-TD whilst both fighters are planted if you use headmovement to avoid a heavy shot like an Overhand or Hook (tested as Blaydes vs Hunt)

                  For example, if you sway a stationary overhand you can immediately time and auto-double off the sway. You have to be quick and I recall it occasionally and randomly not giving me the instand TD.

                  Basically, as to my understanding, you can time auto TDs on advancing strikes, and you can use sways to get them on planted strikes.

                  With the planted strikes however, I'm positive you need a slight stamina advantage, and the bigger than Advantage gets. The easier your insta-TD.


                  Oh. And finally, you'll always get an instant TD on a taunting opponent (I dunno if you even need the 90 TD off here)

                  Super handy for this cocky types who taunt in your face to bait counters.

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                  • RomeroXVII
                    MVP
                    • May 2018
                    • 1663

                    #10
                    Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

                    Originally posted by AeroZeppelin27
                    I didn't see this two explicitly mentioned so ill chuck them out there:

                    You can hit a diving low single/ankle pick on an opponent stiff-arm retreating within TD range.

                    And you can land an Auto-TD whilst both fighters are planted if you use headmovement to avoid a heavy shot like an Overhand or Hook (tested as Blaydes vs Hunt)

                    For example, if you sway a stationary overhand you can immediately time and auto-double off the sway. You have to be quick and I recall it occasionally and randomly not giving me the instand TD.

                    Basically, as to my understanding, you can time auto TDs on advancing strikes, and you can use sways to get them on planted strikes.

                    With the planted strikes however, I'm positive you need a slight stamina advantage, and the bigger than Advantage gets. The easier your insta-TD.


                    Oh. And finally, you'll always get an instant TD on a taunting opponent (I dunno if you even need the 90 TD off here)

                    Super handy for this cocky types who taunt in your face to bait counters.
                    Awesome, I'll add this to the OP.
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                    • AeroZeppelin27
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 2287

                      #11
                      Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

                      Originally posted by RomeroXVII
                      Awesome, I'll add this to the OP.
                      Good post btw, nice and informative on a subject that isn't well explained in game. Good stuff!

                      I'd give it a like if my phone didn't think the like button was a static image Lol.

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                      • SMOKEZERO
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 818

                        #12
                        What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

                        @Romero to help you get those gifs up




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                        Last edited by SMOKEZERO; 08-15-2018, 01:27 PM.

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                        • RomeroXVII
                          MVP
                          • May 2018
                          • 1663

                          #13
                          Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

                          Originally posted by SMOKEZERO
                          @Romero to help you get those gifs up




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                          Gotchu. Going to take me a bit to get it done.
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                          • Papadoc60
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2017
                            • 393

                            #14
                            Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

                            Decent players mostly don't use forward moving kicks or overhands and that's why I still believe these undeniable takedowns are still underpowered as hell though. I do land takedowns off of ducked stationary overhands though but they are never the undeniable kind. You're mainly going to have to deal with boxing and stationary kicks at a higher level in this game.

                            The main issue I encounter is with people coming forward with high level boxing and predenying clinch and takedowns, if you try to land these undeniable takedowns on people that are trying hard not to lose you'll generally get sprawled on ( or countered like the ways you listed, which are still way too easy to land ) and have to resort to striking due to stamina drain. Great guide, but I just wanted to clarify that they were still very underpowered in my opinion. We'll probably see everything shaken up with the next patch though, so we'll see where everything is at.

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                            • Ultras123
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2018
                              • 121

                              #15
                              Re: What to look for to hit Undeniable TDs, Single Leg Counters,

                              Originally posted by Papadoc60
                              Decent players mostly don't use forward moving kicks or overhands and that's why I still believe these undeniable takedowns are still underpowered as hell though. I do land takedowns off of ducked stationary overhands though but they are never the undeniable kind. You're mainly going to have to deal with boxing and stationary kicks at a higher level in this game.

                              The main issue I encounter is with people coming forward with high level boxing and predenying clinch and takedowns, if you try to land these undeniable takedowns on people that are trying hard not to lose you'll generally get sprawled on ( or countered like the ways you listed, which are still way too easy to land ) and have to resort to striking due to stamina drain. Great guide, but I just wanted to clarify that they were still very underpowered in my opinion. We'll probably see everything shaken up with the next patch though, so we'll see where everything is at.
                              100% right

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