Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

[Whiteshark209]

I was playing ranked last night and have been using the advanced lunges to take advantage of the new patch. Problem is that I for sure only input one advanced lunge and two would often come out. I believe I narrowed it down to an exact scenario but need time to test it later.

Everytime I advance lunge without blocking and then decide I want to block mid lunge it’s like the whole lunge repeats itself. Just wondering if anyone else was having this problem. I saw Martial Mind have the same issue in his newest video also.

It’s not a controller issue either as I tried three different controllers.

[SteveM584]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

Martial Mind seemed to have this happen a few times in his Tuivasa video. Almost got him in trouble too lol, he was pissed understandably.

[ryangil23]

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Yep I'm getting this as well

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

Everytime I advance lunge without blocking and then decide I want to block mid lunge it’s like the whole lunge repeats itself.

I just tested it out and this is not the cause.

I am of the opinion that this is user error, but am open to investigating it more if someone can find a reliable way to reproduce the issue.

[Leviticus]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

I was playing ranked last night and have been using the advanced lunges to take advantage of the new patch. Problem is that I for sure only input one advanced lunge and two would often come out. I believe I narrowed it down to an exact scenario but need time to test it later.

Everytime I advance lunge without blocking and then decide I want to block mid lunge it’s like the whole lunge repeats itself. Just wondering if anyone else was having this problem. I saw Martial Mind have the same issue in his newest video also.

It’s not a controller issue either as I tried three different controllers.

i had the same issue. i just know im only doing it once

[Kingslayer04]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

I'm getting it too, and I also get in when going for Thai clinch.

[Whiteshark209]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

I just tested it out and this is not the cause.

I am of the opinion that this is user error, but am open to investigating it more if someone can find a reliable way to reproduce the issue.

I can promise it is not. I have never had the problem previous to patch. I have sometime tonight. I will hunt this thing down in practice mode and report back.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

I can promise it is not. I have never had the problem previous to patch. I have sometime tonight. I will hunt this thing down in practice mode and report back.

This patch increased the responsiveness of lunges and allowed them to remain queued in situations where they wouldn't before.

So it's not crazy to think existing habits are exposing unintentional inputs all of a sudden.

Getting the lunge when inputting a thai clinch attempt while another lunge is already playing is a real bug though, and that is most certainly adding to the perception of double lunges off a single lunge input.

But I've seen no proof of a double lunge bug yet.

[Stealthhh]

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Yup me too, was beginning to think it was my controller so I tried my other newer one and same issue.

[Whiteshark209]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

This patch increased the responsiveness of lunges and allowed them to remain queued in situations where they wouldn't before.

So it's not crazy to think existing habits are exposing unintentional inputs all of a sudden.

Getting the lunge when inputting a thai clinch attempt while another lunge is already playing is a real bug though, and that is most certainly adding to the perception of double lunges off a single lunge input.

But I've seen no proof of a double lunge bug yet.

So I figured it out. Do the following in practice mode:

Orthodox vs orthodox

Do a strike recording option and cue up a stationary 1 3 2.

Be in boxing range with the controlled fighter.

Hold block and as the animation plays to block the jab advance lunch back (R1 + right stick). If done “properly” the double advanced lunge will play. I have no doubts after testing this situation.

Again I can say with absolute certainty that it is only one input for the command.

Also this is just the first thing I’ve tested as I had a hunch it had to do with the block in some form. I will continue to test and report back.


Edit: after further testing it is all directions of major lunges that are afflicted with this bug. Even forward advanced lunges.

Also I’ve tried multiple stationary combos and have been able to replicate the bug in many stationary punching combos so far.

[Whiteshark209]

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Also would like to add I believe the problem lies where you hold block and the active block animation starts to play as the strike is thrown but the advance lunge evades the stationary strike. Something in this moment causes it.

[Kenny324410]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

I just tested it out and this is not the cause.

I am of the opinion that this is user error, but am open to investigating it more if someone can find a reliable way to reproduce the issue.

I can reproduce it and can tell you what’s causing it it’s a combo off users error and new things add seems people are not letting go off the stick fast a nuff after a mager lunge and it’s quiteing up a minor lunge

How to reproduce on PS4 L1 and stick back to mager lunge then hold stick back till mager lunge has finshed and then the game will do a second lunge witch will be the new minor lunge

[Whiteshark209]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

I can reproduce it and can tell you what’s causing it it’s a combo off users error and new things add seems people are not letting go off the stick fast a nuff after a mager lunge and it’s quiteing up a minor lunge

How to reproduce on PS4 L1 and stick back to mager lunge then hold stick back till mager lunge has finshed and then the game will do a second lunge witch will be the new minor lunge

This is definitely not the case... at least in the case I’m talking about. That might very well happen too but that would be a separate issue from this one.

[ZombieRommel]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

I tested it in practice.

Double Lunge Bug:
1. Do a major lunge laterally
2. Immediately input a second major lunge (within a quarter of a second)
3. Let go of controller
4. Notice second lunge still comes out after the first lunge is done executing, with no further input from the player

Notes: The action queue is keeping the major lunges in the queue for too long, making unwanted actions come out. The major lunges cannot be canceled by holding guard or by striking, either, so the player cannot see a strike and then try to brace or otherwise respond. Seems to also affect minor lunges but this is less noticeable and overall less impactful to player experience. Happens in every direction except when the first lunge is a backward lunge (because the whole backward lunge is forced to play out). Most noticeable when going left-left or right-right in the same lateral direction. This is definitely due to accidental inputs, but this wasn't an issue before the patch, and it's too punishing now, especially in lag where inputs are sometimes dropped and additional ones are necessary.

Do you guys want this fixed or do you think it's fine how it is?

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Single input advanced lunge causing two lunges to come out?

I tested it in practice.

Double Lunge Bug:
1. Do a major lunge laterally
2. Immediately input a second major lunge (within a quarter of a second)
3. Let go of controller
4. Notice second lunge still comes out after the first lunge is done executing, with no further input from the player

Notes: The action queue is keeping the major lunges in the queue for too long, making unwanted actions come out. The major lunges cannot be canceled by holding guard or by striking, either, so the player cannot see a strike and then try to brace or otherwise respond. Seems to also affect minor lunges but this is less noticeable and overall less impactful to player experience. Happens in every direction except when the first lunge is a backward lunge (because the whole backward lunge is forced to play out). Most noticeable when going left-left or right-right in the same lateral direction. This is definitely due to accidental inputs, but this wasn't an issue before the patch, and it's too punishing now, especially in lag where inputs are sometimes dropped and additional ones are necessary.

Do you guys want this fixed or do you think it's fine how it is?

That explains a lot. I never had it happen and wondered why.

I’d think changing when the second major lunge can be queued would help. So if you want to double lunge you’d have to wait a half a second or full second into the first one for the input to register.