Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

[WarMMA]

It's really not a dominant position irl. The SUB should have more options other than just backing out. The guy is just holding you behind the head. You should be able to transition to things like over/under or td attempts and not just single under. Also, the SUB should be able to use both hands to strike and have access to other types of strikes like knees and uppercuts. If he's the one holding the collar tie, the SUB has both hands free...












Just a thought. Currently the collar tie clinch feels to one demensional, when irl, this isn't a dominant position to where the SUB should be so limited in their options.

[johnmangala]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

Sub needs to have the ability rock their opponent again and knees and elbows.

Sub cage also needs to be able to rock again too.

[WarMMA]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

Agreed. Just needs to be more options on the whole for SUB. There's really not much the SUB can do at all, and that's why all these guys are grabbing the clinch now. They can even grab a grappler and not have to worry about a thing except them backing out or trying for single under. But if the SUB could do more like grab over/under, go for td's, ect, they'd have to be wary of who they are clinching up with.

[BrandonTheBreaker]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

It makes sense IRL, but for a game I understand the advantages granted the initiator. Attempting the clinch opens you up for counters. I see it as a risk reward thing. There’d be less incentive to use it if the sub was able to start hammering you with equal ability.

[Clinch Control]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

Agreed. Just needs to be more options on the whole for SUB. There's really not much the SUB can do at all, and that's why all these guys are grabbing the clinch now. They can even grab a grappler and not have to worry about a thing except them backing out or trying for single under. But if the SUB could do more like grab over/under, go for td's, ect, they'd have to be wary of who they are clinching up with.

This. The SUB has even deeper fundamental problems though. The SUB from many clinch positions cannot transition back to a NEUTRAL clinch! The SUB's only option is to ESCAPE from all SUB clinch positions! Absolutely insane! There are a bunch too:

Back Clinch SUB.
Side whip clinch SUB.
Back against the cage, single under SUB

A wrestler only having ESCAPE options from these positions is absolutely mind blowing. No transitions back to a neutral clinch, the wrestler must escape and re clinch. Mind boggling really.

[WarMMA]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

It makes sense IRL, but for a game I understand the advantages granted the initiator. Attempting the clinch opens you up for counters. I see it as a risk reward thing. There’d be less incentive to use it if the sub was able to start hammering you with equal ability.

Well it's not really about the sub being able to blast you back, but the options. It's like the sub can't do anything except back away. If i'm playing as a grappler, I still can't do anything. SUB should at least have more options of strikes (like knees/uppercuts) and should be able to attempt takedowns. Its just a little too one sided imo.

[Clinch Control]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

It makes sense IRL, but for a game I understand the advantages granted the initiator. Attempting the clinch opens you up for counters. I see it as a risk reward thing. There’d be less incentive to use it if the sub was able to start hammering you with equal ability.

I wouldn't hate a cool down timer that would let the sub go for over under or takedowns after a while. That would balance it and still give the sub options.

[1212headkick]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

We need double unders over unders and a real plum. Ufc 3s clinch although not mobile had a clear understanding of what was and wasn't a dom position.

[tissues250]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

Yeah, I totally agreed. Single collar should be 50/50. It's not DOM position. I love the clinch game now without HUD. but it needs to be more polishing. Give sub fighter proper options.

[WarMMA]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

We need double unders over unders and a real plum. Ufc 3s clinch although not mobile had a clear understanding of what was and wasn't a dom position.

Facts. From UFC 3, all that needed to be done with the clinch was added mobility imo. The positions were fine. Now its like they just got rid of some things and made it have less options for Sub fighter.

[Clinch Control]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

Facts. From UFC 3, all that needed to be done with the clinch was added mobility imo. The positions were fine. Now its like they just got rid of some things and made it have less options for Sub fighter.

Did Geoff's departure have anything to do with what feels like an unfinished clinch? The fact that none of the major reviewers mention this goes to show how corrupt they are.

[1212headkick]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

I wonder if ea would let us crowd fund the game to add features?

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

If your opponent has you in single under , and doesn't go for the Thai plum , press R1 + square / triangle and you will put them in single under with you being the DOM. However I would advise that you block two strikes to gain GA before you try this .


It won't work from Muay Thai plum only single collar.

Also I notice this yesterday some fighters in SUB sprawl , who get up into over under can go from single under from there . Dustin Poirier can do it. Hermansson seems to be able to do it . I also realized that you have to press the buttons three times before it works making this somewhat redundant as your opponent would have probably hurt you by then. Sometimes it won't even work all together.

Not related to topic but thought to mention it here.

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[WarMMA]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

Yeah, I totally agreed. Single collar should be 50/50. It's not DOM position. I love the clinch game now without HUD. but it needs to be more polishing. Give sub fighter proper options.

This. Sub just needs to have proper options. Sub can literally only throw hooks to head/body and transition to single under...that's it. For a position like a collar tie, sub fighter needs to have more. Even if they don't wanna add any extra transitions, at least allow the sub to throw body knees, uppercuts and go for td's. With the way it is now, they have the collar tie feeling way too dominant.

[WarMMA]

Re: Collar Tie needs to be a little more NEUTRAL

Did Geoff's departure have anything to do with what feels like an unfinished clinch? The fact that none of the major reviewers mention this goes to show how corrupt they are.

Don't think so. I think this was the way it was intended to be. And I love the way the clinch system flows mind you, but I just feel like certain positions could have stayed. Like a more neutral over/under and then the double under position, which could have played out much like how over/under currently does in this game.