L2R2 Submission wow!! the IQ is out of the skull

[Windtear]

The state of L2R2 submission basically is... you execute it, you win. it took 2 secs to understand how it works and then you likely won't fail, just hold on L2R2 altogether no matter where your opponent move and then follow your opponent's indicator tap L2 & R2 occasionally, the chance of deny these submission is very thin. I never intended to submit anyone but when I use than to escape my opponent's GNP, I always get it.

Unless you use a high wrestling/BJJ stats guy and pop up a slam command randomly, or there's no way you can escape L2R2 submission

To the person who came up with these mechanics... GDC really need to make a special award for you.....

The donkeyest design ever in fighting game history. It seems balance wasn't even a thing in UFC4 dev's consideration as long as they can sell tokens & bread styles to those who have more money than brains

[johnmangala]

Re: L2R2 Submission wow!! the IQ is out of the skull

Agreed, replace it with simple subs with a stamina tax.

[UFCBlackbelt]

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I don't think I have ever been tapped by a joint sub even against high ranking guys.


I usually just create a rhythm and then mix it up and rarely get caught.


The only understandable ones imo is if you gas yourself out on the ground which then makes sense.

[ZHunter1990]

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Is he saying Limb subs are OP?

If so, its likely yourself and the people you are playing dont understand the defense..

[Evil97]

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I have no idea what he is talking about either. Just hold the triggers at 50% and milk it side to side. Escape out of limb subs blindfolded.

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[NewSkiLLZZ]

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Yeah, nah.

At first I said they were OP because I didn't understand it. Finally went into practice and tried it, absolutely nothing wrong with joint submissions.

This game is just trash with constant clinching which does nothing to stamina for excessive or a vulnerability when you hit them while they're trying to clinch just like ducking into a uppercut is almost an instant rock. Takedowns also taking almost no stamina and the back positions somehow draining your entire stamina

[Tyeanisbae]

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The only subs that need a change now are the damn choke subs, since you can spin the wheel at like 100 miles an hour lol.

The beta choke subs were better imo, just people didn’t bother to learn the mechanics. They really weren’t OP either, towards the end I was escaping them very consistently (when at good stamina obviously).


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[Therebelyell626]

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Out of the skull? Haven’t heard that one before

[Pappy Knuckles]

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The only subs that need a change now are the damn choke subs, since you can spin the wheel at like 100 miles an hour lol.

The beta choke subs were better imo, just people didn’t bother to learn the mechanics. They really weren’t OP either, towards the end I was escaping them very consistently (when at good stamina obviously).


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I wasn't a fan of either during the beta, but I love the state they're in now. They feel like a real battle, I don't want to go back to the previous system.

With limb submissions it's all about staying as smooth as possible since having a large bar is super dangerous in that particular mini game. There's not a lot of room for error. Slow and steady wins the race.

With chokes, I like that it's more frantic because it kind of mimicks the struggle for air. With that system, it's more about predicting what your opponent is going to do.

Limbs - Smooth, slow, and deliberate actions. Reactive.

Chokes - Smooth, fast(er) , and anticipatory actions.

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[Evil97]

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They don't feel like a battle at all, especially limb subs. So underpowered. #BuffSubs

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[Pappy Knuckles]

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They don't feel like a battle at all, especially limb subs. So underpowered. #BuffSubs

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Why do you feel they're underpowered? Are you unable to submit anyone?

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[Evil97]

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Why do you feel they're underpowered? Are you unable to submit anyone?

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I submit tons of people. People who do not know how to properly do the mini game. There isn't a single limb submission that has ever got me even when gassed, and aside from the pre-patch chain submission from standing guillotine and backpack rear naked (both which you get drained completely before the mini game starts), I don't get choked out either. The choke game was nerfed so much that nobody even properly learned how to keep their bar small, and they didn't have to because they are escaping tons of times with god awful ability and understanding. I'm not talking scrubs gamers and fighters, I'm talking about being against Vanguard BJJ cafs in higher divisions in ranked. Hell, I even got out of someones multiple submission attempts during the purple screen glitch. I'm not lying. I couldn't see anything and escaped out of subs. It was actually funny tying to figure out if I was in a joint or choke, btw, that guy had to be bad, I hope at least. But still.

[SnippintheContrary]

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I submit tons of people. People who do not know how to properly do the mini game. There isn't a single limb submission that has ever got me even when gassed, and aside from the pre-patch chain submission from standing guillotine and backpack rear naked (both which you get drained completely before the mini game starts), I don't get choked out either. The choke game was nerfed so much that nobody even properly learned how to keep their bar small, and they didn't have to because they are escaping tons of times with god awful ability and understanding. I'm not talking scrubs gamers and fighters, I'm talking about being against Vanguard BJJ cafs in higher divisions in ranked. Hell, I even got out of someones multiple submission attempts during the purple screen glitch. I'm not lying. I couldn't see anything and escaped out of subs. It was actually funny tying to figure out if I was in a joint or choke, btw, that guy had to be bad, I hope at least. But still.

All this just says Cap Cap Cap Cap Cap, keep grinding though family.

[DCowboys22]

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I might have been tapped by arm bar once online. And I was gassed and the guy caught me at the perfect time.

I also have more sub wins this year than all of ufc 3. Mostly joint locks because people panic and don’t know how to defend.

Chokes are near impossible to secure tho


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[Evil97]

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All this just says Cap Cap Cap Cap Cap, keep grinding though family.

I'm not sure what this means. I'm assuming bragging. If so, yeah sorry. Was trying to give examples. Been constantly posting replies on how to properly defend subs on other threads. Think that horse has been beaten enough. Subs need buffed.

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