Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

[EarvGotti]

Between the chain wrestling, the threat of submissions, and the balancing of GnP, grappling has been pretty fun lately. Picked the game back up after the latest patch and things seem to be decently smooth.

I do wish the organic GnP was a tad bit more dangerous though. Like give us the option to throw elbows and hammerfists from top positions that would do more damage with each one landed.

As long as UFC 4 feels like a MMA game with grappling being respected and feeling like a real threat, then im happy. They are on the right track with this i'd say.

[Irish0331]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

Glad you're having fun with it. The game certainly has potential but it doesn't feel complete. The clinch is a disaster and leaves the game nearly unplayable for me. 3, 4 fights and it gets turned off for something else.

[EarvGotti]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

Yeah the clinch can still be annoying but it's a lot easier to deal with now vs how it was at launch.

I just like it when grappling feels dangerous and you can get finished at anytime on the ground.

The striking still has major issues IMO so i won't even get into that. That's why i'm just sticking with grappling at the moment.

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

Online ranked is pretty annoying. People with gaming monitors spam takedowns and clinch to get to the rear naked choke or side saddle arm triangle possible where the sub is nearly impossible to get out of even with a stamina advantage.

[EarvGotti]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

Online ranked is pretty annoying. People with gaming monitors spam takedowns and clinch to get to the rear naked choke or side saddle arm triangle possible where the sub is nearly impossible to get out of even with a stamina advantage.

I feel you. I've encountered a few them already. It doesn't bother me too much though because if i let them get my back or side saddle then that's really on me. Those positions take a little bit of work to achieve so I can understand why those submissions are strong.

Letting someone get your back in MMA is a huge no-no....it's not a death sentence but it's also not something that you want to happen. So if the subs from those positions stay strong then i won't be too mad

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

I feel you. I've encountered a few them already. It doesn't bother me too much though because if i let them get my back or side saddle then that's really on me. Those positions take a little bit of work to achieve so I can understand why those submissions are strong.

Letting someone get your back in MMA is a huge no-no....it's not a death sentence but it's also not something that you want to happen. So if the subs from those positions stay strong then i won't be too mad

That is true in MMA, not in EA UFC 4. You can be an elite player and lose to a guy because you got side saddled, its basically instant death and the main route to victory for the top player.

If a player spams clinch and gets even one hip toss you're basically done.

Here is a guy demonstrating pretty good TDD getting beat by this bum tactic.

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[EarvGotti]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

Yeah that video was pretty disgusting. The problem there though, is how easy it is to bail on the TD and get over-under/back clinch. Those backpack/TD denials also should've drained a lot more of his stamina.

I'm all for positions like Side Saddle, Back Mount, Back Sitting, Crucifix being deadly and able to finish the fight......but it has to be harder to get to those positions for sure.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

I feel you. I've encountered a few them already. It doesn't bother me too much though because if i let them get my back or side saddle then that's really on me. Those positions take a little bit of work to achieve so I can understand why those submissions are strong.



Letting someone get your back in MMA is a huge no-no....it's not a death sentence but it's also not something that you want to happen. So if the subs from those positions stay strong then i won't be too mad

As someone already pointed out, this is not true. You are always only two inputs away from either side saddle or back sitting. One input is undeniable and the other is a 50/50.

Also, side saddle is such a low percentage place to achieve an arm triangle and armbar IRL. The damage you do from that position alone is good enough. Give a transition option to go back into crucifix and significantly lower the submission power.


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[xtremeba1000]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

I’ve played close to 4,000 matches online and trust me. It is a problem. Like the others stated, one hip toss or one backpack position and your done. It’s literally a guaranteed win if you can get either of those. Especially those with monitors who can deny every transition to try to escape either position before they attempt the undeniable sub.

[EarvGotti]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

I’ve played close to 4,000 matches online and trust me. It is a problem. Like the others stated, one hip toss or one backpack position and your done. It’s literally a guaranteed win if you can get either of those. Especially those with monitors who can deny every transition to try to escape either position before they attempt the undeniable sub.

I'm seeing more of it now the more i play. But how would you propose EA balances this? Because i don't want to go back to UFC 3 which was a kickboxing game and grappling was not a threat at all. But I also don't want everyone in ranked phishing for the same positions over and over.

There needs to be middle ground. Take away the auto side-saddle from hip tosses and make the backpack/backtake denial window a lot bigger so opponent can only get it if you have like 0 stamina.

Let's not kill grappling though. Jiujitsu has to feel dangerous in an MMA game.

[xtremeba1000]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

I'm seeing more of it now the more i play. But how would you propose EA balances this? Because i don't want to go back to UFC 3 which was a kickboxing game and grappling was not a threat at all. But I also don't want everyone in ranked phishing for the same positions over and over.

There needs to be middle ground. Take away the auto side-saddle from hip tosses and make the backpack/backtake denial window a lot bigger so opponent can only get it if you have like 0 stamina.

Let's not kill grappling though. Jiujitsu has to feel dangerous in an MMA game.

I really think they should just nerf RNC and side saddle arm triangle. You shouldn't be able to get it everytime with full stamina.
I definitely think the hip tosses should only go to side control.
If I get subbed I want to make a mistake where I have low long/short term stamina for them to get an undeniable sub.

[EarvGotti]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

I really think they should just nerf RNC and side saddle arm triangle. You shouldn't be able to get it everytime with full stamina.
I definitely think the hip tosses should only go to side control.
If I get subbed I want to make a mistake where I have low long/short term stamina for them to get an undeniable sub.

I get what you're saying. I don't want subs to be nerf to where you can only get them if opponent has low stamina though. Jiu Jitsu is more about favorable positioning instead of stamina. I kinda hate how it's represented in the game.

If subs aren't a threat then jiu jitsu in this game will be useless.

[Granbyroll]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

I think a huge part of it is gnp being so weak and bad that it makes people inclined to hunt for finishes by the only real viable means. And the problem isn't the subs being strong its the actual submission game itself. Ufc 3 feels much more balanced in terms of the submissions. And there's not any minor transitions which would add more steps to get to powerful positions. Going for a major transition should be a homerun and a high risk move.

[Stealthhh]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

I think a huge part of it is gnp being so weak and bad that it makes people inclined to hunt for finishes by the only real viable means. And the problem isn't the subs being strong its the actual submission game itself. Ufc 3 feels much more balanced in terms of the submissions. And there's not any minor transitions which would add more steps to get to powerful positions. Going for a major transition should be a homerun and a high risk move.

We need elbows, hammer fists, gnp feints, gnp body straights, and proper ref stoppages.

[Granbyroll]

Re: Call me crazy but....im actually enjoying the grappling in UFC 4

We need elbows, hammer fists, gnp feints, gnp body straights, and proper ref stoppages.

We also need a posturing/hold system and more steps to get into a dominant position. You shouldn't just be able to hit the stick and get it after some baby punches. You should be fighting for each limb and each minuet of control. The transitions we have now are streamlined. In real grappling theres more steps. In the ea series of ufc games its one step. Hit the stick.