How to counter takedown into sub?

[Ksearyback]

Quote: Originally Posted by SUGATA

L2 in Stand up and Clinch, can be pre-emptive w/o penalties L2+R2 in Ground, can not be pre-emptive (as Grapple block GB) About countering Reversals: 1) GB reversal - can be countered by Perfect Swoop 2) GM (grappling move: submission, throw, adv transition) reversal - AS I THINK can not be countered at all + can be pre-emptive w/o penalties = unbalance. QUESTION: can GM Reversals be countered by Perfect swoop or no?

Sugata, in almost positive GPD confirmed that the answer to your question is yes. Perfect swoop overrides

[SUGATA]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ksearyback

Sugata, in almost positive GPD confirmed that the answer to your question is yes. Perfect swoop overrides

give me a link or quote please?

[cernac]

Please, please can someone post vids on how to do these. Seeing as how limited practice mode is, I have trouble visualizing.

Also, do all fighters have these abilities; if not, can you only find them through practice?


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[cernac]

And more importantly, how many threads have attempted to answer this question conclusively? Devs, can you please write something authoritative on the subject and post video? Or, as I mentioned before, ask one of the tech-savvy fans of the game to do so.


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[Haz____]

Quote: Originally Posted by cernac

And more importantly, how many threads have attempted to answer this question conclusively? Devs, can you please write something authoritative on the subject and post video? Or, as I mentioned before, ask one of the tech-savvy fans of the game to do so. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's just L2+ down when they attempt a single or a double.

Not trying to be condescending but it's very very simple.


Not everyone has takedown to submission reversals. You have to look at their moves in practice mode. The takedown to submission reversals are the last 2 options at the bottom of the submission move list.

[Dave_S]

Quote: Originally Posted by cernac

Please, please can someone post vids on how to do these. Seeing as how limited practice mode is, I have trouble visualizing. Also, do all fighters have these abilities; if not, can you only find them through practice? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Like Haz said its just L2 and down, you can reverse regular and high single and double legs.

Here's a video that shows both if that helps, but its basically just a standard takedown denial except you use L2 instead of R2.

[Ksearyback]

The fact that not everyone has sub reversals and it isn't listed in practice mode moveset is problematic, no?

Also, to reverse a single or double is simple from standing, but I do have some trouble with timing when it's the wrestlers who have the move as an escape (blanking on where it starts, maybe a side control escape) into a single leg.

A video on timing for the transition reversals (with audio perhaps) would be awesome. I otherwise hit it only ~50% of the time.

Same for the turtle to over/under submission reversal. I almost never hit this, and I don't know if it's because my fighter doesn't have the move, or my timing sucks

[Dave_S]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ksearyback

The fact that not everyone has sub reversals and it isn't listed in practice mode moveset is problematic, no? Also, to reverse a single or double is simple from standing, but I do have some trouble with timing when it's the wrestlers who have the move as an escape (blanking on where it starts, maybe a side control escape) into a single leg. A video on timing for the transition reversals (with audio perhaps) would be awesome. I otherwise hit it only ~50% of the time. Same for the turtle to over/under submission reversal. I almost never hit this, and I don't know if it's because my fighter doesn't have the move, or my timing sucks

When submissive fighter in side control goes for a single leg the fighters stand up while one fighter is holding they others leg. The fighter holding the leg has to use the right thumbstick again to get takedown. That's when you deny, if they let go or just stand there you can't reverse.



I don't know how to put audio on YouTube, but almost every reversal works for me if I start it as soon as I see opponent moving a direction. If you look at the huds in any video I posted you can get an idea of when I'm denying and reversing in regards to when opponent inputs his transition.