Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

**SUGATA** · 08-10-2016, 05:43 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Am i the only one who dont know such things (question #1-5) ? =)
Then please teach me.

**SUGATA** · 08-23-2016, 02:59 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

After some testing - but may be i am wrong:
#2 - input, not hit
#3-4 - different for different positions.
Examples:
 1. FM Postured up – SUB transition to sub HG:
[SUB <75%, DOM >30%, during Denial window] DOM Strike crush SUB GM
In Postured FM: SUB fighter starts his GM only after opponent’s Strike start; DOM fighter start his Strike just after SUB fighter starts his GM.
2. FM Postured up – SUB transition to sub Back Mount:
[SUB <75%, DOM > 30%, during Denial window, Strike the same side of rolling to] DOM Strike crush SUB GM
3. FM Postured up – SUB transition to FM not postured up (break Posture):
[SUB <75%] DOM Strike crush SUB GM
[SUB > 75% and DOM no matter] DOM Strike will NOT crush SUB transition to Posture down (and gives GA as break Posture up).
4. Back Mount (BM) – SUB transition to sub HG:
[SUB <75% or DOM>30%, during Denial window, Strike the same side] DOM Strike crush SUB GM.
5. Back Side (BS) – SUB transition to sub FG:
[SUB <75% or DOM>30%, during Denial window] DOM Hummer Fist ONLY crush SUB GM.
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**SUGATA** · 08-23-2016, 03:02 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

I have a question:

GPD said here:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d-changes.html

-we fixed it so strikes now follow the stamina priority system like transitions. This means in positions like crucifix, side saddle and stacked guard, where you cannot strike once a transition starts, you can first deny, which will give you priority to throw a strike after the denial animation finishes if you queued up a strike and your opponent queued up a transition.

But this still not works!

Side saddle, Crucifix, Stack guard - DOM successfully deny SUB transition, but then he still can not to launch his Strike because of 2nd SUB transition which interrupts his strike. So transition spam by SUB in this positions does not allow to use them...

Or i am doing something wrong?

**Bigg Cee** · 08-23-2016, 05:17 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

You need a friend to share all of this data with. Know one cares anymore.

Also do you play this game online or offline? Just wondering if you even play this game or just test game mechanics out?

**thelasthurtknee** · 08-23-2016, 06:57 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Awesome stuff suguta, your post always make me better.

Big cee, rough day?

**Bigg Cee** · 08-23-2016, 07:08 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Originally posted by thelasthurtknee

Awesome stuff suguta, your post always make me better.

Big cee, rough day?

not really, lol

actually I have been roaming around OS like a mad man posting everywere. Today for the most part I've been hanging out in the madden forums. Fun!

**SUGATA** · 02-06-2017, 03:36 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

I've updated the first post with some thoughts which are based on some practice but mainly on GPD's posts.

 STRIKING in CLINCH/GROUND:
1) Strike SPEED depends on:
- my Stamina
- not depends on my fighter’s attributes (the same Strike speed for all over all divisions/weights)
- not depends on my striking limb’s Health
1) Total Strike DAMAGE depends on:
- both fighter’s attributes (“Clinch power” in Clinch, “Ground and Pound” in Ground)
- my Stamina (more Stamina – more damage & FBHR)
- opponent’s Stamina (less Stamina – more damage & FBHR)
- not depends on my striking limb’s Health
- final Total Strike damage NOT depends also on additional Damage multipliers from: 1. Combo multiplier (CM) 2. Counter window (CW) 3. Momentum - physics driven damage with the right timing (when opponent is moving toward my strike) – because in Clinch/Ground does NOT exist 1, 2, 3.
> The best conditions for my Strike is [when I have SA over the opponent – the more Stamina difference/advantage amount the better].

1) STRIKING CONTROLS:
(may holding)L1 + strike - Elbow
(may holding)Lup + strike - Hummer fist
(may holding)Ldown + strike - Hook

2) STRIKE CRUSHING GM:
[While SUB Stamina is < 75% and DOM Stamina is > 30%, from Dominant position (dom MT, dom FM Posture up, etc)] Strike - will interrupt any GM attempt by the opponent with a special Mid Transition Hit Reaction (MTHR).
[When SUB fighter Stamina >75% or DOM fighter Stamina is <30%] SUB fighter begins his GM (w/o risk of DOM strike crushing).
[When SUB fighter Stamina <75% + DOM fighter Stamina is >30%] DOM fighter perform Strikes (for crushing SUB fighter’s GM).
During my Strike I am in GDA - so be aware of your Stamina and always consider re-establishing control [before my Strikes].
IN CLINCH:
Dominant MT Knee to head/Body – intercept opponent’s GM if landed during filled TM; may not intercept, depends major on SA (changing intercepting window of filled TM).
In ALL Clinch positions:
- Punches - does not crush at all
- Kicks, Knees - crush when strike is landed (hit) during his TM (denial window).
In ALL Cage Clinch positions:
- the same
- except one: Cage SC - any strike (even Punch) interrupts opponent's GM.
In Clinch and Cage Clinch – use Punches (for dmg), Kicks/Knees (for interrupts and dmg).
In Cage SC – use Punches (for dmg and interrupts).

IN GROUND:
1. FM Postured up – SUB transition to sub HG:
[SUB <75%, DOM >30%, during Denial window] DOM Strike crush SUB GM
In Postured FM: SUB fighter starts his GM only after opponent’s Strike start; DOM fighter start his Strike just after SUB fighter starts his GM.
2. FM Postured up – SUB transition to FM not postured up (break Posture):
[SUB <75%] DOM Strike crush SUB GM
[SUB > 75% and DOM no matter] DOM Strike will NOT crush SUB transition to Posture down (and gives GA as break Posture up).
3. FM Postured up – SUB transition to sub Back Mount:
[SUB <75%, DOM > 30%, during Denial window, Strike the same side of rolling to] DOM Strike crush SUB GM
4. Back Mount (BM) – SUB transition to sub HG:
[SUB <75% or DOM>30%, during Denial window, Strike the same side] DOM Strike crush SUB GM.
5. Back Side (BS) – SUB transition to sub FG:
[SUB <75% or DOM>30%, during Denial window] DOM Hummer Fist ONLY crush SUB GM.

Posture up strike – (any Posture up strike) intercept opponent’s GM if landed during filling TM:
- in dom FM: may not intercept, depends minor on SA (changing intercepting window of filled TM)
- in dom HG: may not intercept, depends on SA (changing intercepting window of filled TM)
In dom FG: may not intercept, depends major on SA (changing intercepting window of filled TM)
In more dominant Posture up position: Strike intercepting is less depending on Stamina differences (SA) between 2 fighters (but for ex in dom FM with large Stamina disadvantage strike will not intercept opponent’s GM).
In more dominant Posture up position – use more/often any Posture up strikes (for intercepting opponent’s GM), but do not drop Stamina too low (0-30%).

VS STRIKE CRUSH GM:
Block his Strike > immediately perform GM (his Strike will not crush my GM).

1) In Clinch/Ground striking does NOT exist: Combo multiplier (CM), Counter window, Physics driven damage (i.e. momentum, when opponent is moving toward my strike).
(Example: Standing (Stand up) hook, and hook in Single Collar land about the same amount of damage. But Standing hook can be buffed by being thrown in a combo (for CM), or as a counter, or by physics damage with the right timing. None of those conditions & damage bonuses exist in the Clinch/Ground).
2) Reasons to switch Left-Right strikes in Clinch/Ground:
- mix ups to avoid Arm traps in Posture up
- target specific side to damage specific arm during opponent’s Blocking (to break Block sooner)
> Switch/mixing up Left-Right Strikes in Clinch/Ground for: avoid Arm trap in Posture up, and to strike the most damaged opponent’s Hand to break his Block sooner.
3) GnP strike speed - is determined by Stamina only, not attributes!

In Posture up use:
1. Hooks > Hammer fists – to weaken his Block quickly
2. Straights – (fastest GnP strike, but weaker) use when Block is weakened to evade Arm traps.
In Posture up do NOT use:
1. Elbows – (slow and weak) do not use in any position.
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**SUGATA** · 02-06-2017, 03:41 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

But crushing/interrupting the onponent's grappling moves by strikes is very interesting thing because this brings more risk/reward to the gameplay:
- striking gives a GA to the opponent if timed wrong and by wrong conditions
- but conversely can gives you 2in1: interrupting opponent's transition + deal large dmg.

So, i hope Generative_James will be interested in this thing enough to make some research with his videos science, his help is very appreciated in this

Because i think that these resumes are not complete and may have some issues...

**TheShizNo1** · 02-06-2017, 05:04 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Originally posted by Bigg Cee

You need a friend to share all of this data with. Know one cares anymore.

Also do you play this game online or offline? Just wondering if you even play this game or just test game mechanics out?

Top part is unnecessary, man.

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**Bigg Cee** · 02-06-2017, 05:14 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Originally posted by TheShizNo1

Top part is unnecessary, man.

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holy crap. This post was way before I even got the ban for 3 months. Why bring this up Shiz?

**aholbert32** · 02-06-2017, 05:25 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Originally posted by Bigg Cee

holy crap. This post was way before I even got the ban for 3 months. Why bring this up Shiz?

LOL. I saw the post and wrote something similar until I realized you wrote that back in August. Sugata threw us off by bumping an old thread.

**SUGATA** · 02-06-2017, 05:25 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Originally posted by Bigg Cee

holy crap. This post was way before I even got the ban for 3 months. Why bring this up Shiz?

Do you think that this thread is not useful, can not to be helpful for rising your game skill and is not interesting at all?

**SUGATA** · 02-06-2017, 05:29 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Originally posted by aholbert32

LOL. I saw the post and wrote something similar until I realized you wrote that back in August. Sugata threw us off by bumping an old thread.

As you can see i dont bump this thread but wanted to discover more about this game with some help... and honestly not yours both, btw. But if you have so much time that chasing my threads, yr help may be welcome also.

I really dont understand your offense here.

I dont want to go personally on anybody, but when the man who did not any useful thread here is blaming me for my threads.. this is so pathetic. really)

**aholbert32** · 02-06-2017, 05:32 PM

Re: Transition/GM INTERRUPTING by Strike mechanics in Clinch and Ground?

Originally posted by SUGATA

As you can see i dont bump this thread but wanted to discover more about this game with some help...

I really dont understand your offense here.

I dont want to go personally on anybody, but when the man who did not any useful thread here is blaming me for my threads.. this is so pathetic. really)

You need to calm down. I didnt take offense to your thread. In fact, the post I was referring to that I deleted was defending your right to make this thread. I realized that that post from Big Cee was 7 mos old so I deleted my response to his post.

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