Von Flue Choke Submission Switch Idea

[WarMMA]

Quote: Originally Posted by Generative James

This mechanic could also work for the extensive leg lock game I'm hoping will be added to UFC 3. Then fighters could play footsies! I don't know the particulars of the different holds but I know I've seen one fighter dive for an ankle lock or something and then the other fighter responds by going for one of his own... and sometimes finishing it faster than the one who started first.

Yh that's called the 50/50 position in grappling cuz both fighters have access to each others legs. Because sometimes when you dive for leg locks, your legs are still in a position where your opponent can try to attempt his own leg lock. Would be cool to have in the game for sure.

[JustBlazeM8]

If the 50/50 makes it into the game, I think it should have it's own special mechanic since it's not purely an attacking or defensive position - it's an all rounder. See if we can get some Ryan Hall's up in here.

[Haz____]

Quote: Originally Posted by JustBlazeM8

If the 50/50 makes it into the game, I think it should have it's own special mechanic since it's not purely an attacking or defensive position - it's an all rounder. See if we can get some Ryan Hall's up in here.

We actually saw 50/50 a few times just this last saturday.

The J-Lou - Stevie Ray fight found themselves in 50/50 a few times.


A denied Imanari Roll could potential lead into 50/50 also, which could be cool in the game.

[Find_the_Door]

I honestly think submissions are the one thing aside from basic clinch entries all fighters should have. Differentiate them via move levels and ability to switch the submissions/effectiveness. I also think the higher the submissions rating/move level and stamina the better position your fighter can escape to when getting out of a sub and better position you hold them in when they get out of your sub.

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[Ksearyback]

I like hearing all of these ideas, even if the mechanics of certain moves might be disagreed upon by each of us. Still great for us, and hopefully those in control reading, to incorporate some new dynamics to the submission game.

By the way, a great byproduct of counter submissions is it would eliminate those who spam submission attempts without any intention of finishing.

For this to work correctly it is IMPERATIVE for EA to consult at least two high level grapplers on positions and submissions in which two fighters can each attack and defend. To realistically introduce advantageous positioning into duel submission situations, and/or straight counters to submissions or certain movement would be a lot of fun... I have a feeling the effort is going toward striking this time around though.

On the von flue: not that it matters as we aren't programming, but just as a matter thinking it through. I like the idea of the defending fighter hitting a green switch gate first to reverse the submission. However, remember the mechanics of this move. It only works if the defending fighter gains leverage, which only happens when the attacker loses position (and holds onto the strangle). So if in closed guard, there is no reversal. However, maybe beating the attacker to the switch gate on the mini game means the defender improves the position (iideally passing guard to the opposite side of the choke). There should then be a time in which the attacker has to quicker abort or risk have his arm stuck and the choke reversed. But, I guess the reason I think this is important enough to comment on is 1.) this only exists in certain situations (but is a white belt level move so nearly everyone should be able to do it), but also, it should be a situation in which the attacking fighter is given a brief window to abandon the choke -- but then ends up in bottom of side control.

When it comes to the idea of playing leg locks from 50/50 or any number of positions, this is an extremely dynamic and deep game. It would be a hell of an effort to get it right. However, it would be great to see a simple attempt even if the back and forth was crude and shallow (as long as the general transitions are realistic and based on something real).

[Ksearyback]

Haz, I know that you have some grappling background too. What do you think of the above comment?

[Generative James]

Since Jordan Rinaldi just scored the 4th Von Flue Choke in UFC history....

I'm bumping this thread!

[Generative James]

Bumping! OSP does it again!

We don't have to use my submission switch idea... but this choke cannot be ignored anymore!

Von Flues for all in EA UFC 3!!!