Using submissions to advance position

[Dave_S]

If at least one or two people are interested I'll post the rest. If not I'll keep it to myself. It's time consuming, lol. The gates listed as can't escape advance on their own without you finishing that gate in the mini game. I can post a video of it if that's confusing.

For submissions were both fighters stand up, if you apply submission from the bottom and go to standing it's green, if you apply submission from top and go to standing it's red.

I can change colors if it would be easier to understand


Submissive Full Guard

Armbar
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-retain position
4-submissive side control

Guillotine
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-submissive half guard
4-submissive half guard

Triangle
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-retain position
4-submissive side control
5-submissive side control

Triangle to Armbar submission chain
1-submissive side control

Omoplata
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-couldn't escape
4-submissive side control
5-submissive side control

Omoplata to Gogoplata submission chain
1- submissive north south
2-submissive mount

Kimura
1-retain position
2-retain position, fighter on top postures up
3-submissive half guard, fighter on top postures up
4-submissive back side
5-submissive back side

Rubber Guard

Gogoplata
1-retain position
2-both fighters stand up
3-couldn't escape
4-couldn't escape
5-submissive mount

Omaplata
1-submissive full guard
2-submissive full guard
3-couldn't escape
4-submissive side control
5-submissive side control

Omaplata to Gogoplata chain
1-submissive north south
2-submissive mount

Dominant Full Guard

Heel Hook
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-submissive mount
4-submissive mount
5-submissive mount

Dominant Stacked Guard

Kneebar
1-dominant Werdum
2-dominant Werdum
3-both fighters stand up
4-submissive side control
5-submissive mount

Kneebar to Heel Hook submission chain
1-submissive mount
2-submissive Werdum

Heel Hook
1-dominant Werdum
2-both fighters stand up
3-submissive side control
4-submissive mount
5-submissive Werdum
(Third gate advances to fourth gate without completing mini-game)

Submissive Half Guard

Twister
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-retain position
4-retain position
5 submissive side control
(Third gate advances to fourth gate without completing mini-game)

Kimura
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-couldn't escape
4-submissive north south
5-submissive full mount
(Third gate advances to fourth gate without completing mini-game)

Kimura to Omaplata submission chain
1-submissive side control

Dominant Half Guard

Arm Triangle
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-submissive full guard
4-dominant side control
5-dominant side control

Half Guard Postured Up

Kneebar
1-dominant half guard
2-ssubmissive side control
3-submissive side control
4 submissive side control

Dominant Side Control

Kimura
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-dominant side control-switch sides
4-submissive full guard
5-submissive full guard

Kimura to Armbar submission chain
1-submissive full guard
2-submissive side control

Inverted Triangle
1-retain position
2-submissive side control
3-submissive mount
4-submissive side saddle
5-submissive mount
(2nd gate advances to 3rd gate and 4th gate advances to 5th gate without completing mini-game)

Submissive Side Control

D'arce Choke
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-submissive side saddle
4-submissive side saddle
5-submissive side saddle

Dominant Side Saddle

Armbar
1-retain position
2-retain position
3-submissive side control
4-submissive side control
5-submissive side control
(3rd gate advances to 4th gate without completing mini-game)

Arm Triangle
1-submissive side saddle
2-submissive side saddle
3-dominant side control
4-couldn't escape
5-dominant side control
(2nd gate advances to 3rd gate and 4th advances to 5th gate to without completing mini-game

[Dave_S]

When I say couldn't escape a particular gate I'm referring to this

[Bigg Cee]

great list dave.

I love doing this against ppl who suck at subs. I do this tactic all the way till the 1 min mark of any round based on what sub they have on me.

[Dave_S]

If the list says "Werdum" it's my term for when a submission escape leads to this position

[Dave_S]

I'll finish tomorrow, jonesing for some online fights.

[Ksearyback]

Dave,this is good stuff. I think you are also onto something.

If the game somehow flowed better, it seems like this is the type of idea that could really be implemented in a future iteration of the game.

Using submissions to advance position is prevalent in sport grappling but not absent from MMA. Often you see a kimura grip or guillotine used to pass, advance or settle a position.

This further supports my idea of a step or two involved in the submission system before the mini game pops up.

Example: if a guillotine or kimura is put on (based on timing, position, and opponent not defending/blocking it), the attacker can pass/advance if the submissive is defending. On the other hand if they don't respect the attack immediately and address the situation, then you advance to the point where you are in a mini game, but with fewer gates (as you missing previous attempts to defend are the de facto first 1-3 gates)

Not sure if this was Dave's point as he spent a ton of time and energy putting together the list he did (great stuff). But it got me to thinking about a more strategic and less clunky approach to the same concept.

[Dave_S]

I didn't have a point really, except try and document the best gates to escape submissions, which ones advance position and where, and which submissions to let my opponent throw to benefit me the most.

[Ksearyback]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dave_S

I didn't have a point really, except try and document the best gates to escape submissions, which ones advance position and where, and which submissions to let my opponent throw to benefit me the most.

Are you good enough to pick your gate at a high %?